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06/11/2009, 12:13 PM
blackholesun

I dont care whether Derry end up in first division or the A-league, I do hope they stay alive, but I am delighted that Bray are supposedly going to get another bite at the cherry to stay up, its only fair to them.

bhs
06/11/2009, 12:18 PM
OneRedArmy

People need to understand there are two complete separate processes here.

1) The club's participation agreement with the FAI.

2) The trading company's compliance with companies and tax legislation.

The latter somewhat influences the former, but given some of the allegations, even if the FAI decide on a sanction, that will not necessarily be the end of the matter. I'm sure HRMC are sharpening their pens as I write....
06/11/2009, 12:52 PM
Roo69

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Originally Posted by Magicme

Have just been told they are gone to first division. Not sure how true but thats what am hearing.

We are on stand by to play Drogheda on Tuesday, decision tomorrow at the latest from what i'm hearing.
06/11/2009, 1:16 PM
Finlay Harp

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Originally Posted by EalingGreen

I don't understand this.

If they "only" get relegated, that implies that they will still retain their FAI Licence to operate in the LOI, just at a lower level.

Which prompts the question, just what does a club have to do to disqualify themselves from receiving/retaining a Licence?

And if eg Dungannon Swifts or HMRC should close down Wellvan, say, next April, could the FAI simply transfer their old Licence to a new vehicle ("DCFC2010"?) mid-season and carry on as if nothing had happened?

I can well understand why the FAI would want to keep DCFC in the League if at all possible, but delaying what is looking increasingly likely to be inevitable, risks making the shock worse, if/when it does arrive.

Did the IFA not bend the rules for Coleraine a couple of years ago and allow them to start afresh whilst staying in the Irish league due to financial irregularities?
06/11/2009, 1:26 PM
dortie

Written by Dermot Desmond
Friday, 06 November 2009 13:46
It is already a matter of public record that we as a club are experiencing major difficulties. It is extremely unhelpful for us to now have to deal with further speculation in respect of the club which has been reported in todays media. We can assure everyone who has an interest in Derry City Football Club that we as a board are addressing all matters to the best of our ability and that includes meeting with our legal representatives this morning with particular reference to the recent reports. We are doing everything we can to help the club and we ask our fans, supporters, the media and the FAI to assist us in these difficult times.

Derry City Board of Directors
06/11/2009, 1:31 PM
passerrby

question ; if derry are punished /sanctioned for errors in the past will that mean there will be no further sanctions for their 2010 licensing application.
I ask because am wondering if the FAI are attempting to rush all sanctions through now to ensure they have a clean slate for next season. assuming HMRC do not take any action.
06/11/2009, 1:31 PM
Schumi

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Originally Posted by MariborKev

Lads,

It would make sense

- Automatically demote DCFC T/A Wellvan for breaches of licence this season
- Deny a licence for next season.

Meaning that Bray get a play off rather than having to decide who gets the spare premier division place next season?
06/11/2009, 1:32 PM
dcfcsteve

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Originally Posted by EalingGreen

Anyhow, if it should turn out that there has been deception, even fraud involved, a mere demotion to the 1st Division by the FAI would be hard to justify as adequate, since DCFC could conceivably get promoted right back where they were after one season, as if nothing had happened.

Worse than that. The FAI could hit us with the ultimate sanction - being sent back to the Irish League.... :D

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Originally Posted by EalingGreen

Of course, I may be guilty of adding to already exagerrated rumour

Who - you ?! Never.....! ;)

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Originally Posted by EalingGreen

Which would then prompt the question, if money were being siphoned off to pay the players, was it also being siphoned off into other pockets?

Remind me what you said again about adding to already exaggerated rumour.....? :o
06/11/2009, 1:33 PM
pineapple stu

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schumi

Meaning that Bray get a play off rather than having to decide who gets the spare premier division place next season?

See post 763 above.
06/11/2009, 1:34 PM
passerrby

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schumi

Meaning that Bray get a play off rather than having to decide who gets the spare premier division place next season?

if there is any sense of real responsibility in the fai there should be more than one spare premier div place next season
06/11/2009, 1:35 PM
Schumi

Oops, didn't see the last page.

I assume that would be reason for doing it now though.
06/11/2009, 1:49 PM
MariborKev

Quote:

Originally Posted by passerrby

question ; if derry are punished /sanctioned for errors in the past will that mean there will be no further sanctions for their 2010 licensing application.
I ask because am wondering if the FAI are attempting to rush all sanctions through now to ensure they have a clean slate for next season. assuming HMRC do not take any action.

I can think that we can safely assume that our 2010 Licence Application may be a work of some fiction.

I'd assume we will be denied a licence, if the trading company is still happening at that point.
06/11/2009, 1:53 PM
Steve Bruce

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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

Worse than that. The FAI could hit us with the ultimate sanction - being sent back to the Irish League.... :D

Yeah that would be aweful, coming from a league ready to implode to going to a league that is relatively stable in comparison.

Gee how I am so jealous of Derry City at the moment:rolleyes::D
06/11/2009, 1:58 PM
OneRedArmy

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Originally Posted by Steve Bruce

Yeah that would be aweful, coming from a league ready to implode to going to a league that is relatively stable in comparison.

Gee how I am so jealous of Derry City at the moment:rolleyes::D

And likewise, its instructive that the vast majority of our fans would rather re-form enter at the A League/1st Division in the LoI than rejoin the IL.
06/11/2009, 2:17 PM
Magicme

Quote:

Originally Posted by dortie

Written by Dermot Desmond
Friday, 06 November 2009 13:46
It is already a matter of public record that we as a club are experiencing major difficulties. It is extremely unhelpful for us to now have to deal with further speculation in respect of the club which has been reported in todays media. We can assure everyone who has an interest in Derry City Football Club that we as a board are addressing all matters to the best of our ability and that includes meeting with our legal representatives this morning with particular reference to the recent reports. We are doing everything we can to help the club and we ask our fans, supporters, the media and the FAI to assist us in these difficult times.

Derry City Board of Directors

I really feel for all at Derry, I know Dermot and it kills me to see him having this happening around him.

I feel dead guilty now for contributing my twopence worth.
06/11/2009, 2:33 PM
Roo69

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magicme

I really feel for all at Derry, I know Dermot and it kills me to see him having this happening around him.

I feel dead guilty now for contributing my twopence worth.

I presume you fell sorry for the Derry fans and not the board and the way they have been running the club ? Same as Cork...
06/11/2009, 2:34 PM
Longfordian

Tom must be chuffed that the focus has been taken away from him for a while.
06/11/2009, 2:36 PM
Mr A

in fairness, things do seem to have gone very quiet* in Cork.

*- By the ridiculously crap standards we've come to expect this season at any rate.
06/11/2009, 2:44 PM
thischarmingman

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Originally Posted by dortie

I agree, i also think the board made a critical error in believing that Kenny and the current squad were capable of winning the title. Thats what the budget was based on. They lost the gamble.

In fairness, what blind spot caused people to think we were going to win the league this year? I've been looking for a post I made in February or March going into more detail, but essentially we finished a good 30 points behind Bohs last seaon, a season in which Pat McCourt starred in the first half, and Niall McGinn for the entirety. We lost two players of that quality and brought in Kearney and O'Brien. While I'm not saying they're bad players (far from it), how in the world could anyone sensible possibly have thought that we were going to make up a 30-odd point gap?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr A

in fairness, things do seem to have gone very quiet* in Cork.

*- By the ridiculously crap standards we've come to expect this season at any rate.

It's mad that just a couple of weeks ago we had 'Bus-gate,' and yet I still know what you mean when you say that.
06/11/2009, 3:42 PM
Mr A

From Radio Foyle...

The FAI meeting takes place at 1.30 tomorrow. Derry are seeking to delay their meeting with the FAI tomorrow.

DCFC club solicitor Des Doherty pointing out that no charges have been made and the club are unaware of why the FAI want to meet them.

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