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Originally Posted by NeilMcD
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Originally Posted by NeilMcD
understatement!
I'm not sure there's "support" as such for McCarthy. It was said above, correctly in my opinion, that we simply can't go back that route just because of the cans of worms it'd reopen.
O'Leary vs McCarthy would be an interesting debate on merit, but O'Leary is a candidate simply because he hasn't had the job already and hasn't had his name permanently entwined in the biggest **** up in Irish sports history.
Kenny Daglish in to 2/1 fav on PP
Loads of money on betfair today for him
problem is though Neil, we need someone with fresh ideas for the team and McCarthy is not the man for that. Granted neither are any of the other guys being mentioned so looks like we're fooked!
in a heartbeat!!!! He's the 'right' age as well. If the FAI signed him up then I'd be happy to wait until May/June to get this guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
I agree I dont want Mc Carthy but I am just saying that his record does need to be looked at in full and his international experience has to go in his favour.
If McCarthy took it, expect an immediate and permanent mass withdrawal of squad players from Sunderland.
If Hoddle gets it, that's an end to any idea that LOI players would be considered, never mind selected. At least Staunton went to the odd game. Hoddle wouldn't go to any, full stop.
O'Leary's high is getting a small team into the semis of the Champions League, with a team he was instrumental in building. Mick's club high was getting a big team back into the Premiership. There is no comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Ogba
Mick's low was scoring a record low number of points in the Premiership, O'Leary's was p*ssing off Leeds and being OK-ish at Villa.
I really don't get why people are so opposed to O'Leary. If he was Spanish and had achieved the success he did at e.g. Seville we'd be biting his hand off.
What's O'Leary's low with Leeds, 5th in the Premiership? Won 7 of his last 10? He had a bad couple of months following that court case and made a mistake with that book but a lot of history has been rewritten regarding his time at Leeds. Venables took over a team that had underperformed the previous season yet still finished 5th and took them into a relegation scrap.....I'd take O'Leary at this stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Ogba
Genuine question, as a mtter of interest would you consider Keane a good option given he emulated McCarthy by getting Sunderland up yet is struggling now on a budget ten times what McCarthy had when he took them up? I know some people would love to see him despite his relative failure so far this season.....
Are you trying to say that Keane would withdraw players from slection for IReland because Mc Carthy is the manager despite the fact that Quinn is the chairman there and the players would want to play.
It appears to me that Keane and Mc Carthy have got over Saipan, surely the fans should too.
Leeds = small team????? :eek: O'Leary got a wealthy, well supported team to the semis of the CL.Quote:
Originally Posted by cavan_fan
McCarthy got a financially struggling Sunderland to the Premiership.
Both relatively good highs....
fair point re: O'Leary at Leeds but things went very sour for him at Villa towards the end. And no, I wouldn't take Keane. I don't think he's proven himself yet as a manager...getting Sunderland promoted was a great achievement given where they were when he took over but, as you say, he got a lot more funds that McCarthy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er
As an aside, I was really hoping to make this debate without Saipan being mentioned!!!
:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Ogba
Wasn't bringing RK into it as a reference to Saipan, just as a comparison with MM given the fact that we're talking about the same club they're both struggled in the PL with. MM was severlt financially restricted last time Sunderland went up which has to be recognised as a factor in his failure in the PL. I expected better from Wolves this season though.
Some people are still polarised by Saipan though and will argue MM is a sh1te manager when he's actually half decent and argue RK is a brilliant manager when at this stage he's also half decent at best. He had a great season last year but still spent £6m stg which is a fortune for the Championship. I'd expect him to improve though as long as he holds his nerve, he was never the best at dealing woth losing....
There does look to be a big push on Dalglish. I wonder what rumours are behind the flood of money.
If it stops at 2/1 then I´d guess that he is just being interviewed.
Intriguing character. Of all the candidates he is easily the most successfull club manager
and the most decorated.
Is there any hope that Delaney sees what we see. None of the current candidates are good enough. Hoddle/Daglish/Venables/Brady/O'Leary take your pick will not qualify us for the World Cup finals.
dont forget Scotland got badly burned hiring Bertie Vogts!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Ogba
:eek:
bhs
Jaysus I'd even take Bertie Vogts over some of the chancers that are being mentioned at the moment :pQuote:
Originally Posted by blackholesun
What do Bertie Vogts and Hitzfeld have in common other than the fact they are both German.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackholesun
I've moved the McCarthy v O'Leary posts in here from the Glenn Hoddle thread.
Leeds were a small team in European terms similar in funding to Tottenham or Newcastle today. Ask yourselff if Jol had got Tottenham into the CL semi's how would he be regarded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Ogba
Compare him to Houllier who managed a UEFA cup win with Liverpool. From a distance why wouldnt you have O'Leary over him.
The fact that amazes me is that posters on here are completely ignoring O'Leary while giving serious thought to amongst others:
Paul Jewell (perennial struggler)
Glenn Hoddle (no club success, just about par performance with England)
and unbelievably Brady (never been anything but a disaster as a manager).
I think its funny that you used small club for leeds and big club for Sunderland. Subtle things but it gave an impression to your post that was not truely accurate.
what annoys me is that in order to penny pinch we are delaying and delaying all the time the list is shortening, anybody with have a ounce of success is not going to be on the market for long, what will end up happening is the cream on the top will be snapped upa nd we will be left with the sour milk left below.
as for brady/ oleary if they are that good an option for ireland why havent they been snapped up by a premiership/championship side, if people like glenn roeder etc can get the job at norwich ahead of oleary etc doesnt say much for them
What I meant (and maybe wasnt very clear on) is that in terms of European football Leeds were a small fish. In terms of being promoted to the Prem Sunderland were a very big fish (with huge attendances).Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
Nobody wants to snap up Brady cos he's sh*t. With O'Leary I think the perceived personality issues are a problem. He is not very loyal to chairmen so if you were a jumped up chairman you wouldnt want him. Also he has been out of the limelight for a while and doesnt do media work so it is a bit out of sight out of mind. I think after a year out its hard to get back on the merry go round. If you notice whenever a job comes up it is recently sacked managers or ones in work that are looked at. Someone wiser than me once said that club management is an area that is hard to get into and harder to get out of.Quote:
Originally Posted by ramsfan
To experience the current regard that the FAI are held in within footballing circles, do the following little exercise -
Just imagine tomorrow morning that ANY club in the English premiership sack their manager, with the chairman saying that it is imperative that the post is filled ASAP.
Now imagine how many of the current favourites for the Ireland job (Venables, O Leary, Hoddle, Brady, Giles.....) would be considered as being even an outsider for the post.
We are nowhere, and it's the FAI's fault.
Why the hell are we basing our criteria on the english premiership when we are a country with a population barely exceeding that of Birmingham and with less professional football clubs too?
I personally wasn't basing the criteria on the premiership, simply offering a hypothetical exercise, but if that was what you were interpreting it as, does that mean we should consider that currently being the manager at Derby, Wigan, Fulham or even Newcastle is a more exclusive & attractive proposition that being the Manager of an international side that (arguably) has decent potential in the immediate future?
If so, I feel that's a tad defeatist.
There is no gurantee of sucess in appointing a manager. Jack's club record left a lot to be desired and aside from playing international/european football he had no experience here either. He was sucess because he had a system which he believed would work and dropped any players who were not prepared to do what he wanted.
The FAI need to get on with appointing a manager be it Brady (no Thanks),Venables (past it) or O Leary(my boys) on the basis that they have a plan or system for qualifying for South Africa. This delay keeps narrowing the options and there does not seem to be any end in sight. But big Sam will be available next week so all is not lost yet!
Not so, he won Manager of the year in his first season becoming the first man outside the top flight to do it, ressseructed Wednesday after they'd nearly dropped to Division 4 and did ok at Newcastle before getting ****ed off with the fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ordinary Fan
Big Sam is interesting, would his tenure at Newcastle go against him getting another Premier job if he was to get sacked?
the problem with fat sam at newcastle is that his teams dont play the type of football that newcastle fans think they deserve. they see themselves as a flair team (because of the way keegans team played), this already has led to the sacking of 'boring' dalglish and the appointment of gullit with his bull**** promise of 'sexy football'.
allardyce has no real chance of getting another premier league job if he sacked this season as there's simply none available. 6 clubs have new managers and the only two i can see being anywer near the sack are southgate and megson. would he go from newcastle to boro? or back to bolton?
Just checked the odds with paddy power and Jurgen Klinsmann is at 16-1 the same as Houllier, Coppell and Hoddle.
What do you think?
colster....what are all the odds on the various canditates?
Face it,Quote:
Originally Posted by Bondvillain
McLeish left Scotland for Birmingham,
Hughes leaves Wales for Blackburn,
Hodgson chooses Fulham,
Sanchez Left NI for Fulham,
Jewell chooses Derby,
all relegation to mid table EPL standard.
When national team manager, they were doing well and were in demand to continue with or take on with a national team.
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Originally Posted by colster
Yes .. I can see that .. its a natural progression for him Germany - Ireland - Walsall - Ashtown Villa.
not a bleedin chance!
Otto Klinsmann current manager/coach of "high flying" FC Von Dufflebag in the Cologne 11th Division was mistakingly inteviewed today by the so-called 3 man committee. The 2 Don's and Rayo became alarmed when a balding, grossly overweight Herr Klinsmann showed up ****ed wearing Leiderhousen and proclaiming loudly that he would appoint Roddy Collins as his assistant.Quote:
Originally Posted by macdermesser
surely you are having a laugh hereQuote:
Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar
that or you have little knowledge of the game:eek:
how much did noely wager on hoddle ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
All my dosh went on Houllier and Hodgson. I should place a bet on Hoddle as that would ensure he would never get the job. The really horrible thing is there are maybe 10 or so even worse candidates than Hoddle being interviewed. Delaney said weeks ago he favoured a non-British style manager then went and called Jewell. So Jewell was a serious contender and definetely not a non-British style manager. Houghton came out and said the candidates consisted of the usual suspects and I believe him. What seems to have happened is that Delaney (possibly with prompting from Giles) has delayed the process hoping that candidates like Coppell or Houllier would put themselves forward for the job by resigning from their jobs. That now looks unlikely and instead we are left with the 400,000pa managers.Quote:
Originally Posted by eekers
The frustrating thing here is that we've increased the pay by more than double, but the quality of candidates hasn't risen noticeably.
Certainly these managers would have been fantastic candidates in the 80s, but this is 2008 FFS!
Here's one that may not have been mentioned. Chris Coleman. Did well at Fulham for a bit. Played good football. Mourinho rated him highly. Spanish league experience (well Ligue 1 anyway), surely a better option than Venables and the likes. Allardyce even. He was good enough for England last season. And he started out at Limerick like he keeps saying.