He should just apologies, but not mean it.....Like I did when I got the infraction over using curses in posts!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
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He should just apologies, but not mean it.....Like I did when I got the infraction over using curses in posts!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Still a strange selection, one would usually go with Brazil 70!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rafa B
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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Doesn't seem to be working at the moment though. Can't seem to open article.
emmet, can you not understand that when people say that would like to see Andy Reid in the squad, that need not mean that they want him to start every game. They might want him to be on the bench if his kind of player is needed.
We know Andy Reid isn't as defensively minded as Whelan or Andrews, nobody is saying he is. He is a far more creative and attacking player. If the score is 1-0 to Ireland after the first leg, nobody will be looking for Reid to start in Paris, and as long as the score stays that way, nobody will be looking for him to come off the bench either.
But a situation might come about when a player with Andy Reid's qualities is what is neeed. I mentioned a scenario on a previous page, which SkStu has echoed, and the scenario is this -
We draw 0-0 in Dublin, but concede in Paris. 30 mins to go and we are 1 down. The French start to retreat and we time and territory up to about 40 yards out where the French defensive wall begins.
Now i don't think this is a crazy scenario, I'd imagine it is one of the more likely scenarios. Do you not think that in this kind of situation, Andy Reid would be a good player to bring off the bench? Who else would you bring on from the existing squad that you feel would be able to provide better deliveries?
Worked fine for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
Emmet - Your valid points start to look stupid when you compare Reids defending on a par with Sunday League football - No matter if Trap has personal issues or not - its starting to look like you do.
Criticism of "ArmChair know it all's" prior to telling us your synopsis of the Italian game after watching it on TV also strikes of hypocrisy and no matter how many times a TV Pundit has agreed with you (is it 3 or 4 in this thread?) it wont mean that any of the posters here dont have a right to express their view without being dismissed so crassly.
Don't know why it's not working for me. The other articles are opening fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Junior
From todays Indo
Sunderland manager Steve Bruce recently suggested an apology from the Dubliner might be the only way to end the stalemate.
"The point that I've made to him (Bruce) is that I don't feel I've got anything to say sorry for, I don't feel that I did anything wrong," the footballer said yesterday
And yet Bruce told Reid to apologise. If I was Andy I would listen to Bruce. Something happened and if the manager (Trap)interprets it as an insult then Reid should apologise. Is it "me principles" over getting re-selected?
Is it not obvious by now that Andy has been left out of the squad for attitude/discipline reasons for something which happened at the pre Cyprus game training camp, something which had hung over from Mainz.
The Mainz thing was not enough on it's own to exclude Andy as it's patently obvious he was not excluded after the Mainz incident.
You cannot say seriously say that with a straight face!! All your valid points go out the window when you start saying stuff like that!Quote:
Originally Posted by Emmet7
Emmet, your preoccupation with Andy Reid is getting frightening at this stage. Do you really dislike the guy so much? You would think he ran away with your missus or was the cause of world recession!
At this moment in time Andy Reid should be in the Irish SQUAD. At least this is a start. After this its up to him to prove to Trap if he good enough to be in the team.
[QUOTE=DeLorean;1268518]Still a strange selection, one would usually go with Brazil 70!
One wasn't around for 70:D Although 82 didn't win they did play a small bit of ball.
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Originally Posted by Emmet7
What an idiotic retort
Lets not forget Andy was given a chance and blew it, even feeling so sorry for himself at a time that he was contemplating international retirement. And yes his attitude has changed and he's expressed a willingness to work harder but I think it's wrong for us to expect Trap to be bending over backwards to usher him back into the side at the expense of other more disciplined squad members.
He's said Andy will get his chance after this campaign and so long as he sticks to that promise and Andy has learned from his mistakes I have no problem whatsoever with the current situation.
Never once did he consider retirement. In fact, he's gone completely the other way to say much playing for his country would mean to him.
Trap said Reid would get another chance in the campaign and that campaign is over. After his initial axing for the Cyprus game, Trap went so far to suggest he'd consider recalling Reid for the Poland friendly a month later and playing him off the main striker.
Nothing transpired from this bluster and I doubt he ever intended to.
He probably thought the question would go away with Andy in and out of Sunderland team but, instead, he's in the best form of his career and has given class 90 minute performances against, amongst others, Liverpool and Man U recently.
Maybe it's a culmination of things and we're all guilty of over-reactions to one individual component of said culmintation rather than the whole picture..
Maybe something minor did happen in Mainz but, as cited due to his presence in the squad for Montenegro and Cyprus, it wasn't bad enough to warrant exclusion.
Maybe Trapp believed his condition wasn't on a par with what he expects from a profesional Athlete and so excluded him. Not something it would be productive to admit to the media too.
Maybe there really is no one big incident to apologise for, hence Reid sincerely doesn't know what to apologies for.
Maybe Andy Reids current form, fitness and diplomacy would have earned him a recall under Trapp at any other stage of the qualification bar this stage.
I just think it's time managers, where possible, embraced the media a bit more and treated it like a medium to fans and possibly even players, instead of a necessary evil that comes with the job. It's the non commital contradictions that generate more column inches and message board guff than the act itself.
..... so in short it's still mostly Trapps fault.
Let's get this straight. Andy Reid was NOT axed for the Cyprus game. He was in the squad and on the bench, just as he had been in Mainz and Montenegro. It is quite clear and it has been said on here numerous times, Andy Reid is not being excluded for the Mainz incident. Why would Trap have called him up for the Cyprus game were he 'excluding' him? I agree Andy Reid has nothing to apologise for and neither does Trap. He is being excluded for footballing reasons because he is just not Trap's kind of player.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alf Honn
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Originally Posted by SuperDave
Agree that there is no apology being waited for by any “side”, but I can’t agree that Trap excluded him ONLY because “he does not suit his system”. That would be implausible given the other very much fringe 9at best!) players that he has included.
It could well be something as petty as Trap not liking Andy’s attitude when on the bench but not given a run out, and, Trap DEMANDING respect, which is not a good trait for a manager.
Andy Reid was NOT axed for the Cyprus game. He was in the squad and on the bench, just as he had been in Mainz and Montenegro.
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My apologies, you're right - it was the Poland game he was dropped for, the same game he earmarked Reid for a start in but then decided to drop him entirely from the squad.
Perhaps Andy didn't give the Trap apology he wanted the week of the Cyprus game but, then again, neither did any of the other 20 players (and Brady, according to Sunday Times) who were involved in the sing-song.
But I dont believe they further compounded the issue by arguing back and refusing to call it a night?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alf Honn
Did he really refuse to 'call it a night'?
Sunday Indo article (Nov 23) below. Hardly conclusive?
He had allowed the team to relax with a few drinks, he said, and Reid, according to another source, began to play a guitar belonging to a member of the backroom team after being encouraged by [COLOR=#306294]Liam Brady[/COLOR].
But when a number of players remained in the bar past the 1.0am curfew, Trapattoni tried to get them to bed. As it got closer to 2.0am, Trapattoni acted.
Insisting his actions were not the result of animosity, Trapattoni said: "If he was my son, I would go boom! [he acts out kicking someone up the arse] But he is not my son. Do you understand? This is the first time I have clarified the situation, the ten players can say it is true or not true."
As it approached 2.0am, Trapattoni became more insistent that the players retire, pointing out they had to play [COLOR=#306294]Montenegro[/COLOR] on the Wednesday night.
"It is finished, it is two o'clock. We had a game in three days' time. The table was like a pub with all the beer on it."
Trapattoni says Reid was the last of the players to go to bed, a claim that conflicts with other accounts, but repeated that the incident had no bearing on his selection.
Reid was probably dropped for being a fatty with a beer belly who liked a drink and a late night sing song.
To be honest, no-one here has managed Andy Reid and we don't know what he is like to work with. By the sounds of it he cannot take instructions such as to go to bed when asked.
If you are a manager and you have a player who won't take instructions, it would make your job a lot more difficult.
And I still stand by my view that with Reid in the middle of the park, there would be a gaping hole through which other teams would attack.
Put simply and has already been said, he is not Trap's kind of player. Trap's kind of player is strong, athletic, agressive, defensive, puts other teams and players under pressure when they have the ball. None of that comes to mind when you think of Andy Reid. He's just not Trap's kind of player, just like Shevchenko wasn't Mourinho's type of player or Paul McGrath wasn't Alex Ferguson's type of player. Even though McGrath and Shevchenko are/were brillant players, they didn't fit into the system Mourinho and Ferguson had in mind.
Put it another way, if Trap was managing a club team, Andy Reid's ass would have been booted out the door long ago for questioning the manager.
Finally, if Reid has nothing to apologise for then clearly he has been left out of the team for tactical reasons and doesn't fit into Trap's system.
huge flaw there - come on, how can we take this poster seriously... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Emmet7
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Grand, tell me the last time Reid put in a magnificant display of defensive midfield play either for Sunderland or Ireland, in the mould of Roy Keane, Lee Carsley and so on.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Show me the evidence he is able to defend properly. The first trait Trap looks for in a defender or midfielder is they can defend. Show me where Reid matches that trait. If not then clearly he is not a Trap type of player. He might be a Maradona type of player or a Ferguson type of player or a Barcelona type of player but he is not a Trap type of player and does not fit into to a Trap system, the same system that has won 7 scuddeto, 1 European Cup and so on.
Bulgaria had a creative player just as good as Andy Reid, his name was Stillian Petrov. Bulgaria got trounced in games against Cyprus and Italy. Is that not proof enough that Trap was right after all?
I've pretty much had enough of this thread now, it's getting repetitive, people saying Andy Reid is the greatest player the world has seen while ignoring the fact he has serious deficiencies in defence.
Emmet - You are seeing what you want to see. No poster has come close to stating that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Emmet7
Though you are correct you (and others) have made the same points over and over again.
whoosh!Quote:
Originally Posted by Emmet7
I finally agree with something you've posted. If you just copy and paste your points it would save you a lot of time. How hard can this be to understand....Quote:
Originally Posted by Emmet7
-We know Andy Reid isn't a great defensive midfielder
-We don't demand that he has a place on the starting XI
-We feel that it's mental that he's not in the squad as an option
Something tells me you still won't get it though.
The only place to put him would be to take off a central midfielder and move perhaps Lawrence or Hunt to centre midfield, although I am not sure either are proven in that role, although if you put a gun to my head, I would say Lawrence would do better at centre midfield than Hunt.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
I still think we would be vulnerable if an Irish attack breaks down.
However, I am firmly of the belief and this has been proven throughout the campaign, that Ireland are most dangerous when the ball comes across the box, either high from setpieces for our defenders to attack or mid level height for Doyle and Keane. Robbie I don't think has the speed or strength to run onto balls and hold off forwards like Torres is able to do. He's lost a yard or two of pace in the last couple of years and it probably the reason he didn't succeed at Liverpool.
Our two goals against Italy in Croker were from setpieces and from players such as Hunt and Duff running at defenders and being fouled. Setpieces are vital to our gameplan and will probably be the way we beat the French. Andy Reid is more stand-offish and doesn't really take players on, hence fewer set pieces.
The goal in Bari, a nod down from big Folan is typical of a Robbie Keane goal. He is excellent from a ball which breaks and has scored many great goals that way.
Our mistake early on in Bari was to play the ball into the feet of Doyle and Keane. That was easy to deal with for the Italian defenders.
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Originally Posted by Emmet7
Somebody..........please...anybody?
Infamy where infamy is due.
Emmet has achieved what I thought to be impossible, he has dethroned EG and become the new prince of long winded, repetitive banality.
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Originally Posted by Greenbod
ROFL ...brilliant,
Den, did you really roll on the floor though? If so did you hurt yourself?
Agree with parts of this. We didn't need Andy Reid on the pitch to score late goals against Italy in either game did we?Quote:
Originally Posted by Emmet7
Though I would have him in the squad.
I think we should sack Trappatoni even if we get to the world cup. He clearly doesn't have a clue. We need somebody like David O'Leary.
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Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Yes and Yes
Yep, we definately need another former Irish soccer legend who's career in club management has been at best mediocre.Quote:
Originally Posted by livehead1
Sack one of the greatest managers in European Soccer history, for Dave O'Leary, makes sense alright.
Maybe we should bring back Stan while we are at it. When you think of it, he wasn't all that bad.
I thought if anyone might be a taker, it'd be you ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Emmet7
Your argument is flawed from the beginning. We dont have a player like Keane nowhere near it at the moment and carsley is not the answer everyone thinks he is. He cant get into a limited birmingham side at the moment. We dont need two midfielders who cant pass the ball one is enough so in that case andrews should be dropped. Reid controlled the sunderland spurs game on saturday and from someone with a sunderland season ticket he has been immense this season. The improvement he has made has been brilliant. He is more than just a flair player that lad puts in a good tackle and would offer better options than hunt or mcgeady on the wing if you have a problem with him in the middle. I would actually think he would work well of a single striker in paris in a 5 man midfield.Quote:
Originally Posted by Emmet7
Petrov was bulgarias best player in the qualifiers and the game against italy in italy he was the only one who looked decent he was far from the problem for bulgaria.
Yeah the way some of gone on in the press andy reid is the messiah which he is not but he is far better than a lot of players in the squad and deserves to at least be on the bench.
Do you accept he is defensively flawed and hence a liability in that department whatever about going forward.
I keep getting pulled back to this thread to answer people who say Reid is the best player we have going forward or creatively. I believe Damian Duff is just as good at creating chances as is Hunt and Lawrence.
Hunt, Duff and Lawrence are proven at defending as well, with Duff playing in defence for Newcastle.
I don't think Reid is better than the wide players we have. And defensively I don't think he's better than the central midfielders we have. That's pretty much it.
But emmet, what do you think of Reid as a player?!
Valid point, but surely there's room for Reid in a 23 man squad and on a bench. With 20 minutes to go, needing a goal, I'd love Ireland to have someone who is proficient with the dead ball and I don't think that any of our current players are as good as him on that front.Quote:
Originally Posted by Emmet7