Seriously, dont try to pass the buck.Quote:
Originally Posted by de bowez
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Seriously, dont try to pass the buck.Quote:
Originally Posted by de bowez
Shels still looking to spend 700k this season?Quote:
Originally Posted by CSFShels
Scared s***lessQuote:
Originally Posted by de bowez
Not at all. He can offer as much as he likes to players as long as he remains within budget. He was given a budget and it's up to him how he spends it.Quote:
Originally Posted by de bowez
What?Quote:
Originally Posted by de bowez
No. He is within his budget and the budget is very prudent.Quote:
Originally Posted by de bowez
Offering Price and Burns well over 500 a week doesnt sound very prudent and I certainly hope we aren't paying them that much. The Dublin based factor will come into it for a lot of players.
Does this mean Bohs are causing wage inflation? :D
What crazy wage offers, Fingal went bust, its two weeks to the season and those players are guna have to take what they can get. Also, our season ticket sales are up to last years and there is still two weeks til the season starts. Our budget was also the same as last year...around the 7k mark but with season tickets been up, abit more money was given to Foster. We also get an automatic 7.5k for the first round of the setanta cup.Quote:
Originally Posted by de bowez
Not at all. Dundalk CEO Gerry Matthews only allows Foster to have a very prudent budget as mentioned above around the 7k mark. Matthews is a business man first and foremost and has taken many steps to make the club financially viable. Outside of the run of the mill football income streams (season tickets, match day tickets, sponsorship, merchandise, etc.) which we would be doing decent enough in compared to many clubs at the moment, we have other income streams that alot of other clubs don't have. For example the new youth development centre is now up and running and a number of events have already taken place here - European badminton tournament for instance. Also other streams of income would be pitch rental (I live right beside Oriel and there is someone playing there most evenings from 5-10) and we have 3 bars (in the newest bar for example is supposedly booked out for months for 21st, birthday parties and so on).Quote:
Originally Posted by de bowez
This is a recent interview with Gerry Matthews that gives some insight into how the club functions:
http://blackandwhitetown.squarespace...uary-2011.html
Talking to one of the guys at our club last night and he was very impressed the way Dundalk have been going about their business off the pitch.
When you read this, you realise how easy it actually is to run a business properly. People can just walk away all to easily and not be culpable to what there leaving behind. Again it begs the question of how stringent the FAI really are?Quote:
Originally Posted by Guinney
It's easy (or at least easier) to run it right if the previous incumbents didn't make a balls of it and leave you with a lot of debt and little goodwill left which is the case at many clubs. If you don't have deep pockets it's a difficult spiral to get out of as a club may face a long lingering death unless it fields a team which will bring in some revenue. Of course.. gambling is the last thing you should be doing, but sometimes I can see that there is a certain logic behind it.Quote:
Originally Posted by noddy102
Also- football will always be a gamble to some extent. You can set out a perfectly reasonable budget but if the team bombs suddenly everything from your gate receipts to commercial revenue to fundraising and general energy levels of volunteers collapse as well. Add in a few unforeseen expenses and a relatively well run club can still end up in trouble.
Fair enough, but Liam Burns is from Belfast. The fact that he has delayed for two seasons on signing a new contract, and last season was pimping himself to Shamrock Rovers before eventually resigning, would lead me to think that he has some issue with the club - possibly Ian Foster. He has signed for a club arguably in decine rather than one that is on the up.Quote:
Originally Posted by de bowez
He's no issue with any club. he's after money.
Nothing wrong with that at all.
From what I can see, very much on the outside looking in, Dundalk seem to have been building well over the last few seasons. The top 3 will have to be their minimum aim for this season. Derry and Pat's should make up the top 5, it's hard to know with Boh's if they can press for a top half finish.
Any rumours floating around? Something, anything. I thought I was in the wrong thread having read the last page and a half.
Well considering that Bohs fans are so insistent on the fact that he was offered less than Dundalk offered i.e. €500, and who am i to contradict them, well he couldnt have been after money. Up until Hawkins signed an offer was still open (we were that desperate). There is nothing wrong with seeking out the largest wage but this case doesnt add up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Bobby Ryan to Monaghan any good to ya?Quote:
Originally Posted by Verdebianco
Don't care what Bohs/Dundalk fans say about their club's offers. He lefta asuccesful bohs team to join Dundalk based on money. He obviously wasn't happyw ith latest offer, tried to get better and now has it with Bohs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
Wouldn't look too far into it IMO
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Originally Posted by Mr A
I see your point but I think its very sketchy and is the EXCUSE that clubs use when they do run into trouble. With one year contracts no club should fall into financial trouble from one poor season. Sure gate reciepts might fall, but at most clubs not to that big an extent. Sponsorship money should be received well in advance of the season, certainly projected sponsorship and as such shouldnt affect a well run club. Fundraising shouldnt be taken into account if its not already secured, isint this why we have licencesing?
If a club has a poor season and revenue such as gate reciepts fall then this can be re-adjusted the following year with a lower playin budget. It doesnt all collpase that dramatically unless a club is very poorly run.
My point really is people arent culpable enough for screwing things up. There able to walk away scot-free after messing players (lives) and fans around, its unacceptable and the FAI desperately need to come round to this....
Sorry for going off topic.... Bobby Ryan to Monaghan :p
just to keep the off topic discussion going a bit longer - does anyone know the transfer fee implications of one year contracts? As i have said a number of times before the main target of a lot of clubs should be the securing of decent transfer fees for our best players. It is something we are absolutely terrible at as a league when it arguably should be the thing that we are strongest at (with due acknowledgement that it is hard to achieve due to the set up and relationships that exist in Irish football).
Short question, do the 1 year contracts limit the ability of clubs to secure a decent and reasonable transfer fee?
A player has to be with a club at least two years on semi-pro or pro terms to get a fee if he moves out of contract and under 23.
If he joins a new club and signs a one-year contract, he can walk for free at the end. If he signs a two-year contract, he'll command a transfer fee. (Provided the club have offered to renew the contract on similar or better terms)
Im not particularly fussed and bear no ill will to the player. He moved to Dundalk for more money he has left Dundalk for more money supposedly. My point is simply that if Bohs have imposed an internal €500 wage cap then laeving Dundalk for more money is not his motivation cause the offer was larger 500pw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
I too apologise for going off topic.
Well it has taken some time, I think we broke even in 2007, made a profit of 10k when winning the FD in 08 (and when prize money was added this rose to 50k), a loss in 09 first year back up (collapse of sponsorship mainly but higher wages), then a small profit last year (euro helped), so its very carefully managed.Quote:
Originally Posted by hoopy
One of the first targets Matthews set when he took over was to challenge every section of the club to return some revenue. 3 bars now operating, pitch rentals, and the big one will be the YDC, which should start to return a siginificant annual profit from 2012, so potentially thats 5 revenue steams (but two are only occasional event bar revenue) to add to the core incomes of gate money, sponsorship & any prize money.
All of which will help the playing budget, but I have no doubt it will still present a huge challenge to maintain.
Dundalk will not be signing Shaun Maher.
I think we dodged a bullet there Dunny.Age against him and injury prone too.Might open the way for us to bring someone else in @ CB ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunny
Who is left though?Quote:
Originally Posted by bullit
Plenty. It doesnt have to be a recognised name. Foster isnt that stupid that he'd look at a player needing a medical and leaving himself without other options.
Lorcan Fitzgerald to us.
Apparantly before the demise of SF(Hawkins,Maher) Foster was looking in England for a few centrebacks, so if the money is available then he should probably re-visit that route.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quayman
This is one area where central contracts help. The company/association who "own" the player can sell him at a decent price even if he is out of contract - this can exist under EU labour laws and doesn't restrict the freedom of movement, afaik.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Derek O'Brien signs for Cork City
more here
there's also a rumour floating about that Pete Mahon wants Shane Guthrie to come down on loan for the season.
Any Pats fans shed any light?
Chris Breen (ex Finn Harps) played for Limerick again last night.
I have heard that rumour too, and suspect that Ian Foster is interested.Quote:
Originally Posted by razor
Don't know how keen Mahon would be on letting him off to a rival PD club, or how Guthrie would see playing FD with Cork as opposed to PD with Dundalk.
Somehow I suspect that Gary O'Neill figures in the thinking here, and there were rumours that Cork had made him an offer - me thinks Guthrie on loan to Cork and O'Neill signs for Pats could be the outcome
Didn't hear a word about it. He only signed a one year deal about 3 weeks ago so why sign him at all? We had a fans Q&A session with pete on Wednesday and he didn't mention when asked about the squadQuote:
Originally Posted by razor
O'Neill won't be signing for Pats. Apparently they 'looked' at him but his medical history put them off. No offer was made.Quote:
Somehow I suspect that Gary O'Neill figures in the thinking here, and there were rumours that Cork had made him an offer - me thinks Guthrie on loan to Cork and O'Neill signs for Pats could be the outcome
Yup, he will definitely not be signing for us now, not a hope we can match Limericks wage offer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
Hopefully it goes well for him at Limerick.
six figure sum for the FAI, six figure sum for Chris Breens wages, tis been a tough week for Limerick.
Personally its the first time Ive heard that said about Limerick ha. If we are offering him decent wages I hope he's worth it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_Heggy
Karl Bermingham to the Drogs!