O'Shea signs a one-year deal with Reading. Good luck to him:
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/44361289
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O'Shea signs a one-year deal with Reading. Good luck to him:
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/44361289
Slightly surprised by that to be honest - effectively a move up a division*, which I didn't expect at his age.
Anyways, yeah, best of luck to him with it.
* - ok, it's also a move up four places in the league, but still.
Hopefully he and Meyler will knock some sense into Kelly!
John starts on the bench for Reading tonight in the opening game of the Championship as they host Derby. Meyler and Kelly partner in midfield, while McShane is at the back for Reading. Keogh starts at the back for Derby with Pearce on the bench.
Appointed as first team coach for Stoke City. Not sure what this means for his current role at the FAI.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/62265586
https://punditarena.com/football/jam...oaching-staff/Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Combining role according to this…
Moves from the U21s to the senior set up. FAI playing it safe perhaps and not looking towards an outside appointment who could walk in the summer or the fact Kenny could be out of a job in the summer.
Doesn't sound like the FAI were willing to commit to anything long term given it's ended up being O'Shea. Tells its own story I think.
That’s disappointing. No disrespect to JoSH but there has been talk of a new coach coming in since last summer, the announcement of which was put off more than once. Was expecting somebody with a proven coaching experience to come in, and not an internal promotion.
Would have been a hard sell to get someone external who is rated to come in in the circumstances I think, even if the FAI were willing to fund it.
Well it might play out long term though. Any new manager that may end up coming in will want his own staff, but at the same time John O'Shea and Dean Kiely look like safe bets that could be kept on by a new manager and bring in his own assistant. Especially if the FAIs preferred choice to come in is Lee Carsley who'd know the two lads very well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
Anyone that was proven would be looking at Kenny's job rather than helping Kenny, and then you gotta sell it to them that being the manager is good for their long term ambitions of being a manager. Plus after Eustace walking away after three months on the job the FAI don't want that situation happening again, especially in this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
As mentioned above it wouldn't surprise me if the option of John O'Shea being promoted is long term planning by the FAI for the next manager. Can't see John O'Shea walking away mid campaign, either for a better job or if the manager is sacked. New managers will obviously have staff they've worked with but if Carsley is their man then could be hard for him to attract the coaches he's working with at the FA over to the FAI.
So makes sense somewhat that O'Shea was promoted from within to work with the seniors. I thought someone like Rory Delap could have been an outside option for similar reasons.
Yes I think your right. this screams they want Kenny and Andrews gone and JOS is cheap and a household name.Quote:
Originally Posted by JR89
How does this scream they want Kenny and Andrews gone, plus if they want them gone bad enough could have done it last year when they had the option.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
For all we know outside options could have been looked at. Options that Kenny suggested but turned it down and they felt John O'Shea was the better option for them rather than appointing an outsider for the sake it for other reasons I mentioned above.
You'd wonder if things are very different at board level in the FAI now with Roy Barrett heading for the door. He would have pushed for whoever Kenny wanted on a long term contract. With him having less of a say it sounds more like a hold the fort option for a few months ahead of a potential shake up in the summer or early autumn.
I personally think this is a fantastic appointment. Someone the players will really look up to, has been there and done it as a player, and has cut his teeth in coaching the right way, through the underage setup with FAI, and with Reading previously, now first team coach at Stoke.
Seemed to be a really bright spark in the under-21 setup too. Surely something Kenny would have been following closely too. Can't really see a downside to this.
The reaction to this I've seen in most places mirrors his career in many ways.
If we had a player today that came through the youth ranks at United and went on to have the career that he did with them we'd be delighted, O'Shea got ridiculous abuse for years on end and I dont think he was ever really fully appreciated.
The reaction Ive seen to this appointment (admittedly on social media where the majority are always idiots), is the people are pretty underwhelmed by it. I think most would be happier to get someone they've never heard of but had links to a big club somewhere.
I think its brilliant. Firstly he is a big name with fantasic playing career behind him that the players will respect. But also more importantly it shows a pathway for our ex players to get involved at underage and there is a succession route to the senior team.
Agree he has the playing merits, is a role model, and knows the players with his U21 involvement but I’d want more than he “seems” to be good. Is he a good coach and more importantly, the coach we need?
Hopefully he is a brilliant coach. But what we know is he isn’t Kenny first choice for the role because:
1. Kenny stated in August 2022 that he hoped to have a replacement for Eustace in place next month – i.e. September 2022. https://www.the42.ie/stephen-kenny-i...31330-Aug2022/ (JoSH could have been taken from the U21 then)
2. In September 2022, there was no news regarding a new coach https://www.the42.ie/stephen-kenny-i...67929-Sep2022/ (JoSH could have bee taken from the U21 then)
3. In November 2022 there was apparent immediate demands by the FAI to have a new coach in asap
https://extra.ie/2022/11/22/sport/so...-fai-ultimatum (JoSH could have been taken from the U21 then)
4. It is stated here in January 2023 that Kenny had contacted Barry to get him back onboard https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/...-41055644.html
5. In January 2023, again mention of getting this (appointment) "in place as quickly as possible" and the name Brian Barry-Murphy
https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/soc...tment-29017971
All this background going on for six months until yesterday’s appointment of a current FAI employee in John O’Shea.
Brian Barry-Murphy being mentioned was just typical clickbait BS. No chance would he give up his job at City to be Kenny's no.3.
Oh they should have fired him on numerous occasionsQuote:
Originally Posted by JR89
I just know the FAI are cheap skates and with Barrett gone I would say kenny is walking the green mile
Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
It's entirely possible he wasn't first choice, but it's also plausible that he might not have been fully available until lately. He only completed his UEFA Pro Licence in December. He might not have felt he could give his full commitment previously.
Sure, possible. But he extended his stay with the U21s in January.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
There is an oddity about this, and for me feels more convenience than want. Obviously hope it works out regardless.
I hope it works out well for John O Shea. I think it might have been in his best interests to wait for the next regime to try and get involved but it doesn't always work out perfectly. I think the delay in this appointment is because of the importance of it. Usually hiring a number 2 or 3 is not that vital but looking at the last couple of years, the coach has been far more important than usual.
O'Shea "emerges as favourite to land first job in management at relegation-threatened Reading" according to Mail Online (18 April). Stephen Kenny must write a pretty good reference! :-)
Would be silly to take that job if they've any interest in him.
John O'Shea has left his Stoke City position to concentrate on his role with the Ireland senior setup.
Almost backwards from what we're used to, but good to see someone committing the other direction for once!
Couple of bad results and could find himself being upgraded to caretaker manager.
Centre backs as managers have gotten us to the big tournaments.
One even won a World Cup for..... England.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Good move. He'll make a good interim manager when the nightmare ends.
Still waiting for anyone to explain to me anything that any other manager could or would have done differently against France that would have have been better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snapshot
Would definitely have Ryan Manning in the squad anyway.
Other than that, so far, Kenny has done little wrong in this campaign
Does every thread on here have to descend into some sort of Stephen Kenny nonsense? John O'Shea has put his focus onto his Ireland position, that's all.
Any wonder there's less and less traffic on this forum..
Backroom appointments have played a controversial role in Kenny's tenure and, given his precarious situation (despite the brilliant defeat against France), the O'Shea development is pertinent. If Kenny is sacked mid-campaign it's hardly Andrews who'll take the reins.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
You should verify your opportunistic comment about "less and less" forum traffic or withdraw it.
The forum is definitely quieter over time, but that's mainly down to two factors: YBIG competes with foot for users and forums are mostly for old people.
Do people leave reasons when they leave or is that just your best guess?Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
There's also other options like WhatsApp or Facebook groups as well.
I think traffic on YBIG is down too, it's a lot of the same posters on every thread
I'm more of a lurker on this forum but you get the anti-Kenny/pro-Kenny discussion across all platforms. To be expected really considering the nature of his tenure. There's no more or less of it on this forum. The main reason you don't see many new posters on forums nowadays, in my opinion anyway, is the 'cliqueness' of veteran posters who just interact between themselves and understandably drives new forum members away.
Interesting idea. I don't think it's a main reason - I think other social media is definitely #1 - but it could well be a reason alright.Quote:
Originally Posted by LurcherLover
Yet in a way, if members know each other and get on, that's a positive. But I suppose like everything, you're right that it can be daunting for an outsider. Albeit there's relatively new posters like otoh, DCWA, Snapshot, JR89 and so on who have jumped in just fine. But that's not to say it'd be the same for everyone.
I wonder is there any way of alleviating what you mention? I think other forums have a thread for new members to introduce themselves - or is that a bit over the top?
I've never found that to be the case here.Quote:
Originally Posted by LurcherLover
Even the nonsense posted by Bielsa is (god knows how) tolerated and even sometimes enaged with!
The only time I ever felt foot.ie to be unfriendly is last week when I said Glenn Whelan was rubbish!! :-)
(It's a pet hate I've harboured for a long time and I didn't mind being castigated for it)
Finally, I'd rather a few posts of quality (player updates etc.) than an avalanche of all sorts of stuff. Also, when the season is in full swing I haven't noticed the place being a whole lot quieter....
I do think it's picked up since covid alright. Yeah, it's quieter now because the season is mostly finished but there's still a bit of life about during the season, particularly when we're slagging off players (as I too have found out :p )Quote:
Originally Posted by Yard of Pace