No wonder robbie keanes been so poor for Ireland recently, not only are the opposition marking him but the refs too!!Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
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No wonder robbie keanes been so poor for Ireland recently, not only are the opposition marking him but the refs too!!Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
lads I have been watching the Premiership on Sky and Listening to Andy Gray etc and I have come to the conclusion that the only cheaters and divers are from pesky foreign land where they are all weird and have straight bananas, how good a good old British guy (sic) like Robbie be a cheat.
Roy Keane was the first to be carded for a dive. I love that stat.
:eek: :D Good one!Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
Would you not think it took guts to stay, fight for his place, and then play very well in the face of competition?
and be the best player this year by a mile.
I watched the game and Robbie was whining as usual. His overall game was good today and he didn't need to be doing that stuff. He hardly gets the calls anyway, why not just shutup and get on with it?
As for the West Ham incident, there was minor contact but Robbie was looking for it in my view. As for a red card? Laughable.
Robbie Keane is a class player. He tries his heart out in an Ireland shirt (probably too much coz he sometimes runs himself out of position) but doesn't get the service.
I think the captaincy thing is overstated. He's captain at Spurs as well and they're on a decent run at the minute. If Dunne wants to lead, then he can still lead. It's just another stick to beat Keane with.
As for his goalscoring record. Have any of the Irish players ever scored that many against quality opposition? Aldridge went 19 games or so before he ever scored and when it came it was a worthless friendly goal gifted by Ray Houghton against Tunisia. Aldridge amassed his goal tally against mainly rubbish teams as well yet he is remembered fondly by most fans.
Knocking Keane, the way some people do, is just pure Irish begrudgery.
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Originally Posted by barney
No its not. Stop talking nonsense.
Yes it is. Stop talking nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Torn-Ado
In fairness he classified his remark by saying 'the way some people do'. There are definitely people out there (I highlighted Bennocelt above for example) who give out about him above and beyond what any rational thinking would generate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Torn-Ado
Personally, I love Robbie Keane. :p
Well, that Israel incident was in the first minute so maybe I'm being overly critical, but I think his constant sniping and hassling refs can negatively influence a referee. Crying wolf and all that.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
I think Robbie's great by the way, just pointing out a part of his game that I thought he'd dropped but came back on last night's evidence.
Agree with Barney re-captaincy. Aldridge's only goal against "top" opposition was Mexico I think. Great player too though.
YES, FRANK ANTHONY STAPLETON.Quote:
Originally Posted by barney
For the last five years, he has been absolutely shocking.
He hasn't produced when we needed him most. He misses in front of goals on a regular basis (this 'doesn't get the service' talk doesn't wash with me). Some people will not hear a bad word said about because he scored a few goals in the world cup but the bottom line is, he has been rubbish and deserves his fair share of criticism like the rest of the team.
Its nothing to do with Irish begrudgery. Which is an overused saying at this stage.
Not being smart coz I dont know off hand but who did his goals come against?Quote:
Originally Posted by stojkovic
Portugal in 95. They were a good outfit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Was that Aldo's goal, or an og by Baia?
He hasn't been shocking. When we lose or don't get the desired result, a lot of people jump on Keane because he's a star player. But he can't do it by himself and he absolutely doesn't get the service the majority of the time. It's difficult for him (or Doyle or any other striker) to have any effect on the game if the rest of the team is not playing well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Torn-Ado
I'm not saying Keane doesn't deserve criticism. His miss against Germany was dreadful and he often gets out of position. His on-field whining grates as well.
But I draw the line at people saying he should be dropped. For who? It's typical of the attitude prevailing in this country at the moment; if we don't get what we want we want a sacrificial lamb whether it solves our problem or not.
Our best players in the last five years have been Given, Dunne and Finnan. That says it all about where we are as a team and to hold Keane responsible is completely missing the point of what the real problems are.
And anyone questioning the fellas commitment needs their head read. Look how much work he gets through in a game, even when he isn't at his best. He turns up for every game regardless of how worthless the game is or if he is carrying a knock or not.
Off hand ;Quote:
Originally Posted by barney
Euro80 Qualifiers v Bulgaria (home), Denmark (away)
WC82 Qualifiers v France (home), Holland (away)
Euro84 Qualifiers v Spain (2) (home).
Euro88 Qualifiers v Belgium (away), Bulgaria (away)
Im sure there was more.
Note the goals he scored AWAY from home.
Fair point.Quote:
Originally Posted by stojkovic
So we have Frank Stapleton, anyone else?
Even though he is not a Number 9, if you know what that means (ie main striker), his job for Ireland is to score goals and not to be running around like a headless chicken waving his arms around.Quote:
Originally Posted by barney
I am not anti-Robbie, he was excellent from 1998 to 2002 when his club situation was in turmoil. Since going to Spurs he has been excellent for them and shocking for us.
I, like everyone, would like to see the old Robbie back again, THAT'S ALL.
I think he just needs a target man, give him Alan Lee.Quote:
Originally Posted by stojkovic
Patronizing, lovely.Quote:
Originally Posted by stojkovic
I know exactly what a Number 9 is pal. But if you know anything about football, when a team is not scoring goals it's not always the strikers' fault.
Take the game in Germany last year. Himself and Doyle (I think) may as well have been at home because they didn't see the ball in Germany's half all evening. Criticising them in that game would be like criticising our defenders for not defending enough against San Marino at Lansdowne.
We have been cack for five years. Our best players have been defenders and our 'keeper. We have not had a settled or quality midfield in that time. They are all contributing factors as to why Robbie Keane is not fulfilling his potential. I'm not saying he is blameless - he's due his fair share but some people go over the top because he is Robbie Keane.
Didnt mean to sound patronising.
One little anecdote about Robbie.
In one of the games at Croker we played five across the middle with Robbie up front on his own. Robbie was taking the throw-ins and throwing them into the box. Why was he taking them and who the fcuk was he throwing them to ?
Look it mate, this topic has been exhausted over the past year and I dont wish to continue it.
If your happy with his performance over the past five years well then fair play to you. Im not. As Billo would say, we'll leave it there so.
I actually seem to remember Keane missing a decent chance in the first half in Germany.
Niall Quinn used to score against teams like England and Holland not to mention Anto Cascarino :D
2 goals today so far. does he ever miss penalties.
There is the jinx. Terrible decision by the ref to send him off.
how bad was the foul, what just happened...
It was a yellow card at most, he caught Muamba in the follow through. Never a red card.
You're right, a deadful decision.:mad:...yet in spite of his obvious ( to everyone accept the referee ) innocence, I have to really admire his dignity in not complaining...he went to apologise to the defender for the accidental contact, then walked off clapping the crowd...well done Robbie!:)
Very harsh decision, hopefully the club appeal that.
they have already said they will. can't see it succeeding, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishfan86
on another note, and i don't know if it has been mentioned on here before, but the bbc are forever praising spurs strikers, most notably berbatov, but to a lesser extent the english two, and often seem to be ignoring the one on form this season. maybe i'm just paranoid.:confused:
Whenever I'm watching he's always held in high esteem.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperDave
Every now and again you'll hear a comment about him not finishing enough (except during one his scoring streaks), but I think that's been a criticism of him throughout his career at times.
He needs Stephen Hunt to teach him how to tackle properly.
It wasn't obvious to everyone except the referee because he obviously checks with the 4th Official who confirms it was a sending off offence. Most people have now joined the Andy Gray school of referee slating ("I am not accepting that" says Gray. WHo cares whether he does or not. He's only a pundit who now thinks he's Mr. Football). Referees only get one chance to see an incident and then get slated by those who view them 7 times on action replays. I have said it once, and I'll say it again. Referees should be assisted by video replays for sending offs, penos and goals like most other sports. Otherwise they'll continue to get condemned for their decisions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sligo Hornet
As for Robbie, he might have had a hat trick but missed one where he was through on the goalie but he played well and his peno was superb. Memories of Korea.
joint top scorer in the premier league.
i think we can void all arguments about him being shiite
Go marry a refereee Owls Fan, it was never a sending off and he was straight in front of it. Just like a player who should be slagged for missing a chance or not tracking back a referee who makes a bad decision and sees it perfectly should be criticised.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Also you are not the only one who can see Andy Gray for what he is, but just because he is right in this case does not mean we are all followers of the Sky Sports Andy Gray bible.
Also the referee appeared to consult his fourth official which is against the rules as he saw the incident. If they want to bring videos in then fair enough but dont do it in an underhand way like it was done on Sunday.
Did anyone see MoTD on Saturday? Hansen saying there was nothing in Melchiot's challenge on Ireland? Shearer got it right in my opinion, surprisingly.
I still haven't seen Robbie's offence yet. Unanimous opinion is that it was harsh. 5 Live thought so at the time.
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Originally Posted by NeilMcD
Gray doesn't slate players' mistake the way he slates referees. His "Last Word" is 90% made up of incorrect decisions by Officials. Remember Anders Fisk (the guy who gave us the penalty in Korea against Spain)? He was hounded out of the game by the likes of Gray when he got a major decision incorrect.
My point is it cannot be a coincidence that so many decisions are incorrect.
Blame the system, not the person. The ref can only give what he thinks he sees. It's a totally thankless job made even harder by people like Gray "I am not accepting this". They need technology to assist. Most fans would prefer to see them get the decisions correct and put up with the delay.
I think he missed one in the EPL or the FA Cup. Can't remember exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
That's about it I think.