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Keane: Irish players have to leave Ireland to get called up (as soon as they land on English soil)
http://www.goal.com/en-ie/news/3942/...to-get-ireland
The League of Ireland is probably comparable to the Allsvenskan and the Tippeligaen. The Swedish and Norwegian national football teams are on a par with the Irish national football team. They have a whole host of domestic based players. Sometimes if they are called up to the national team, the exposure helps them earn a move to a league of a higher standard. Just like the exposure of Irish players to the Europa League and Champions League will increase interest in their services.
I don't understand the logic of ignoring players like Massey, Horgan & Towell just because they are playing in Ireland. Fair enough but they call up Brian Lenihan as soon as he completes a transfer to Hull. If they are good enough they are good enough. Around 37.5% of the teams Ireland will play competitively aren't much stronger than Hajduk Split anyway.
Nobody is saying they should be fast tracked to the team, but it would make more sense calling them up and analysing them in training with English based professionals than counterproductive call ups of people like Adam Rooney and Stephen Kelly who have no real future in the team.
Just to think. Rosenberg traditionally supply at least a quarter of the Norwegian national team and they were outplayed by Sligo Rovers. Sligo Rovers!
Rumoured today Leicester are lining up Martin O Neil to replace Nigel Pearson. No idea if there's anything to it but... what would people think if he did go?
I'd be okay with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Who would take over though...? Hiddink? Keane?
14/1 on PPQuote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Still, could be a strong possiblity
Well it would suggest (in my mind at least) that his heart was never really in it in the first place and we're better off finding someone else. Then the fear would take over as to who we're actually going to get. It really wouldn't say much for him if he left us in our current predicament but that's football, people do what they want. I'm not sure I'd be overly inspired as a Leicester fan either, despite his brilliant history there. The nostalgia and emotion would probably cloud any initial concerns but reality could set in soon enough, if he actually is a manager on the slide without his highly rated sidekick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
id say that rumour is nothing more than paper talk which counts for nothing reallyQuote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Surely there'd have to be compensation. cough splutter cough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
I think I would be ok with it. snigger.
I've also heard Neil Lennon is being considered, which would make more sense.
For the Ireland job obviously. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Guys and gals, this is a huge moment for the senior football team, if O'Neill is in fact going to go. How the FAI react is massive.
It'd be interesting if Roy Keane got the job until the end of this campaign. We might actually see a bit more use of the midfield.
Agreed
If it happens....are we looking at Roy to take over for the remaining games though?
they should react by replacing him with no 2 on that betting list neil lennonQuote:
Originally Posted by Kingdom
The earlier the search for a new manager, the better. It's not working out. To get 1 point out of 6 against that Scottish team is beyond embarrassing. Would you trust that *redacted* with Ireland going in as 4th seeds? I wouldn't.
Trapattoni & O'Neill were populist appointments. Ireland should go in a different direction now; they should look very carefully at what Iceland, NI & Belgium have done when they start interviewing other managers.
Mick McCarthy wouldn't be bad either, but is he the right option or the safe option?
Calling him a muppet is completely uncalled for.
Can I ask why? What has Lennon shown that suggests he is anything different to Martin O'Neill?Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
youth and enthusiasm among other things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingdom
I'd be totally fine with him going. I'd actually like it to happen. And it pains me to say that as about 10 years ago I was as good as in love with the man.
[QUOTE=TheOneWhoKnocks;1828172]The earlier the search for a new manager, the better. It's not working out. [QUOTE]
I agree completely.
Trapattoni was a superb appointment. That first campaign was exactly what we needed at the right time. Defensively solid, and unbeaten. What was then needed was to build upon that and develop. That has not happened.Quote:
Trapattoni & O'Neill were populist appointments. Ireland should go in a different direction now; they should look very carefully at what Iceland, NI & Belgium have done when they start interviewing other managers.
Too much baggage. I've no issue with him, but I think to go back to Mick would be a mistake. There are better options out there.Quote:
Mick McCarthy wouldn't be bad either, but is he the right option or the safe option?
If this does come to pass, then you'd have to imagine, Walford, Guppy and McDonagh will go too. That would leave Keane needing to introduce his own staff. That's a dodgy road to go down.
I'll throw a name out now if we're going for former British based players. Chris Hughton.
TrueQuote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
But is Irish football at a stage where it can afford to take a chance and a relatively inexperienced manager? i think not
I'm surprised by you JB. If Lennon is the natural appointment, then why wouldn't Leicester be appointing him ahead of O'Neill?
I just do not see the clamour for Lennon, I don't "get" it.
maybe Leicester are making a mistake appointing oneill?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingdom
I didn't take the betting on the Leicester job as a barometer of who our best option would be to replace oneill. our options will be limited and lennon would be a good fit out of those options. ideally id like mick back but (a) we don't deserve him after the treatment he received post 2002 wc and (b) I am not sure returning managers ever work
I don't think either Mick or Roy were fully at fault in 2002.
I mean Mick could have handled it a bit better too, instead of throwing Roy under the bus and adding fuel to the fire.
It was just poor form from everyone. Unprofessional build up, bad man-management, Roy's ego...
* Look at John Delaney's carry on 13 years later and ask have things really changed that much.
Roy might be too busy taking paddy power to court to take the Job...
It'd surely be unlikely, but can we definitely assume he will leave if he takes the Leicester job and won't double-job until the end of the campaign?
that just would not be one bit acceptable at allQuote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
Hadnt thought of that - wud be worried if he did
But would think he will completely quit Ireland if he goes to Leicester
Sad to say it - but will be happy if he moves on - his tenure has been a bit of a disaster considering the wages he is getting paid
The Dutch do it well... sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
So are we looking at more Denis O Brien funding for the next appointment?
Is it a case of paying big money to get a big name in or are we looking at something different ?
For the love of god no! Is that the extent of our ambitions?Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
You shut your dirty mouth.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
Yes. We are only a small country etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by ger121
It's like the Greek crisis. You can argue about blame and root causes but the denouement was/is a complete crisis of leadership on all sides.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
So far elsewhere I've seen people look for Bob Bradley, Michael Laudrup, Jose Pinto. I'd be very happy with Bob Bradley. Laudrup, I wouldn't be against an appointment, purely for the type of game his teams play, but I think we could do better.
Pinto was surely as tongue-in-cheek as Conte.
I'd be happy for O'Neill to go. I think his ideas are out of date. I'd also be happy for Keane to take sole charge. We can debate the merits of his club experience but I think he'd have a more positive and contemporary approach. O'Neill pi$$ed me off from the start with his public undermining of the squad's ability.
all a matter of opinion as to lennons credentials for the job but anyone who thinks a long line of good options will be looking to take on the job is deludedQuote:
Originally Posted by ger121
did he really state this too often? wasn't aware of it if it happenedQuote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
I'd go for the easy approach. Just upgrade Keane to manager, see how he does for the rest of the campaign. If we do the necessary against Gibraltar and Georgia and something we haven't in an age against either Germany or Poland then let him at it. He would be a risk obviously but then so was Gary Speed at Wales for different reasons (inexperience). At least the long ball approach would be phased out or scrapped, one would imagine. He seems to have the respect/fear of the players and there would be a degree of continuity without having to start from scratch. There have been some signs of progress in the last couple of games so we may as well try to continue on our (admittedly slight) upward curve.
Just to counter that slightly in relation to Stutts point, Keane hasn't been overly complimentary about out playing pool recently either.