Trapattoni - who would you replace him with?

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

But is the market for well paid jobs truly open? Oh, that's another debate. One I'd be happy to have elsewhere if anyone's interested!

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Me too, you Commie.

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

The money being paid is being focused on a little too much today in my opinion. Does it really matter? Its not much different that the previous management team and its not coming out of tax payers pockets so I dont see the big deal. If they are successful and get the nation behind them again then that is priceless

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Has there been any focus on the salary, apart from the reporting of the rumours of the amounts involved?
Is finance (the lack of it) not an major issue in Irish football? Why not discuss it? I do have opinions about money and where it goes in Irish football.
It's all fine and well for the FAI to put resources into an international team and get a good managerial team.
But for a piddly little football association, in a country with one of the poorest leagues in Europe, yeah I think it does look a bit weird when there is a Eur2 -3 m golden chariot made available for the management of the senior team. It's out of proportion to the state of the football nation.
As I wrote, I don't at all begrudge MON getting paid, by any standards in intl football, a substantial salary of EUR 1.2m, but the 800k bonus part is way over the top. Mick would have had us to 3 out of 3 tournaments with a top 2 finish. A top 2 finish is the minimum standard of expectation for a team who are more than likely to be 2nd seeds.

http://afalsefirstxi.blogspot.ie/201...-edge.html?m=1

Blog on upcoming appointments for those interested....

The opening shot from the initial can of the worms being squeezed open...
http://balls.ie/football/eamon-dunph...ill-pain-arse/

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Originally Posted by geysir

Has there been any focus on the salary, apart from the reporting of the rumours of the amounts involved?
Is finance (the lack of it) not an major issue in Irish football? Why not discuss it? I do have opinions about money and where it goes in Irish football.
It's all fine and well for the FAI to put resources into an international team and get a good managerial team.
But for a piddly little football association, in a country with one of the poorest leagues in Europe, yeah I think it does look a bit weird when there is a Eur2 -3 m golden chariot made available for the management of the senior team. It's out of proportion to the state of the football nation.
As I wrote, I don't at all begrudge MON getting paid, by any standards in intl football, a substantial salary of EUR 1.2m, but the 800k bonus part is way over the top. Mick would have had us to 3 out of 3 tournaments with a top 2 finish. A top 2 finish is the minimum standard of expectation for a team who are more than likely to be 2nd seeds.

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It was a topic talked about quite a bit on other forums and was mentioned here, my point was just that I dont care what they are being paid as long as they are successful

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Originally Posted by back of the net

if all else fails....

http://balls.ie/football/weve-let-sc...irish-manager/

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Maybe we'd have been better going with either one or the other actually: http://balls.ie/football/how-oneill-...-with-ireland/

Or with Marcus Sorg!

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Originally Posted by bennocelt

Cough, Denis O Brien is so kind to us:p

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The media mogul might be a fan of the team himself, but he's not the selfless philanthropist either.

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

my point was just that I dont care what they are being paid as long as they are successful

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Would such success ultimately be to the long-term benefit of Irish football as a whole though? Would it be sustainable? Arguably, and it's the point I think geysir articulates rather well above, throwing such a disproportionate wad of cash at the senior team managerial duo in the short term, to the neglect of the various other limbs of Irish football, could prove detrimental to the broader game and its future.

In saying that, it is O'Brien's donation (or investment, to look at it from another perspective) and the FAI are free to spend whatever cash they have as they wish so long as people are happy to give it to them. As interested and/or contributing Irish football fans though, we should still care and be prepared to cast a critical eye upon those with whom responsibility of governing the Irish game has been entrusted.

Of course success with the national team has a long term benefit to Irish football as a whole, look at the level of interest young lads have in rugby in recent years after the successes of the national team.It far greater than it was when I was growing up. Football competes with all the other sports in the country and so a successful national team is vital.

I dont want to get into a debate about where the money should be going because Im sure there are plenty of lads much more knowledgeable than me but say for example we offered 1 million to the management team rather than the reported 2 million. We certainly wouldnt have attracted managers of the stature of Trapattoni or O'Neill. So we have 1 million left over, where does that money go that would give the same impact for inspiring young fellas anywhere close to watching their heroes do well in a green shirt. I know when I was young I was hooked on the buzz of international football after watching Euro 88 and Italia 90.

And by the way Im sure theres some economist somewhere who will be able to say how good it is for the national economy to have successful national team,look at all the merchandise the Joe Duffy brigade buy when the team qualifies for a tournament :p

Now I know that we might have got a manager cheaper who might do well with us, I dont see any outstanding candidates though and I believe that you in general get what you pay for,I believe that we have done great business getting O'Neill and co on board.

I'm happy with this appointment. There will be ups and downs of course but I think this will work. Interesting times ahead. Seems like we're stuck with 4-4-2 for a while though.

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

Of course success with the national team has a long term benefit to Irish football as a whole, look at the level of interest young lads have in rugby in recent years after the successes of the national team.It far greater than it was when I was growing up. Football competes with all the other sports in the country and so a successful national team is vital.

I dont want to get into a debate about where the money should be going because Im sure there are plenty of lads much more knowledgeable than me but say for example we offered 1 million to the management team rather than the reported 2 million. We certainly wouldnt have attracted managers of the stature of Trapattoni or O'Neill. So we have 1 million left over, where does that money go that would give the same impact for inspiring young fellas anywhere close to watching their heroes do well in a green shirt. I know when I was young I was hooked on the buzz of international football after watching Euro 88 and Italia 90.

And by the way Im sure theres some economist somewhere who will be able to say how good it is for the national economy to have successful national team,look at all the merchandise the Joe Duffy brigade buy when the team qualifies for a tournament :p

Now I know that we might have got a manager cheaper who might do well with us, I dont see any outstanding candidates though and I believe that you in general get what you pay for,I believe that we have done great business getting O'Neill and co on board.

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I'm not saying there is no benefit to the broader game when the senior team succeeds. There unquestionably is. It doesn't have to be all-or-nothing, however. It is important to note that the senior team isn't the be-all and end-all of Irish football. I'm just asking the question as to what respective distribution of funds between the various limbs that make up the game in Ireland might bring the greatest long-term benefit to Irish football as a whole. Throwing everything into the one basket whilst neglecting other modes of breeding success and development - perhaps more organic, self-perpetuating and sustainable modes - isn't necessarily the best way forward. It is only right for a supporter to cast a critical eye.

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

I'm not saying there is no benefit to the broader game when the senior team succeeds. There unquestionably is. It doesn't have to be all-or-nothing, however. It is important to note that the senior team isn't the be-all and end-all of Irish football. I'm just asking the question as to what respective distribution of funds between the various limbs that make up the game in Ireland might bring the greatest long-term benefit to Irish football as a whole. Throwing everything into the one basket whilst neglecting other modes of breeding success and development - perhaps more organic, self-perpetuating and sustainable modes - isn't necessarily the best way forward. It is only right for a supporter to cast a critical eye.

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You have a fair point, and it would be a much more important point if Denis O Brien wasnt funding the national management team. The FAI are not blowing all their funds on this and while maybe people think that O'Brien should be putting his money into the youth structures I think that is a whole different argument.

You all could be up for some banner years as Linda Hogan is named Cardinal and MON leads Ireland to the World Cup in Oman. That would be our luck, finally making a WC in a country that frowns upon alcohol.

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

You have a fair point, and it would be a much more important point if Denis O Brien wasnt funding the national management team. The FAI are not blowing all their funds on this and while maybe people think that O'Brien should be putting his money into the youth structures I think that is a whole different argument.

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And you also have a fair point. As stated, the FAI and O'Brien especially, as a private individual, can spend their money however they see fit no matter how others think it might be better invested or distributed. :)

There is, of course, another way of looking at it, to which you perhaps allude; O'Brien's money frees up the FAI to spend the remainder of its money elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by SkStu

I'm happy with this appointment. There will be ups and downs of course but I think this will work. Interesting times ahead. Seems like we're stuck with 4-4-2 for a while though.

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Why so? I actually think O'Neill's original 3-5-2 formation at Celtic would suit us perfectly, for the next campaign at least.

----------------Westwood--------------

-------O'Shea----Dunne----Clark--------
Coleman-------------------------McClean

-----------Gibson------McCarthy--------

----------------McGeady---------------

------------Long------Keane------------


I'd like to see McClean tried there. Might be better suited to that role than Wilson, who has been pretty poor in recent matches in any case. Reid and Hoolahan would challenge McGeady for the free role off the front two.

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

There is, of course, another way of looking at it, to which you perhaps allude; O'Brien's money frees up the FAI to spend the remainder of its money elsewhere.

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You're give me more credit than I due there, after midnight last night I wasnt thinking of it that way :) But you are absolutely right.

Whatever peoples opinions are of O'Brien I prefer to look at him as a fan who had the cash to help out with attracting better managers, especially after the Staunton debacle. If I had his money I would love to be able to do the same.

I'd salivate at the thought of DeLorean's suggestion - or something similar to it. I'd probably only see it as a viable shape for home games against slightly weaker opposition - to begin with anyway. I think I recall Celtic playing away to a Portuguese team (Spoerting?) and the Portuguese wingers had a field day.

How did Celtic line up when Liam Miller played so well against Lyon and Anderlecht(?)?

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

You're give me more credit than I due there, after midnight last night I wasnt thinking of it that way :) But you are absolutely right.

Whatever peoples opinions are of O'Brien I prefer to look at him as a fan who had the cash to help out with attracting better managers, especially after the Staunton debacle. If I had his money I would love to be able to do the same.

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Me too. And even Mick Wallace can be commended for giving something of value to his community.

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Originally Posted by DeLorean

Why so? I actually think O'Neill's original 3-5-2 formation at Celtic would suit us perfectly, for the next campaign at least.

----------------Westwood--------------

-------O'Shea----Dunne----Clark--------
Coleman-------------------------McClean

-----------Gibson------McCarthy--------

----------------McGeady---------------

------------Long------Keane------------


I'd like to see McClean tried there. Might be better suited to that role than Wilson, who has been pretty poor in recent matches in any case. Reid and Hoolahan would challenge McGeady for the free role off the front two.

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Lovely looking side, and would see the best of McClean & Coleman most likely. Where would you place Brady in it, were he to feature ?

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

I'd salivate at the thought of DeLorean's suggestion - or something similar to it. I'd probably only see it as a viable shape for home games against slightly weaker opposition - to begin with anyway. I think I recall Celtic playing away to a Portuguese team (Spoerting?) and the Portuguese wingers had a field day.

How did Celtic line up when Liam Miller played so well against Lyon and Anderlecht(?)?

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VS Lyon (from http://www.theguardian.com/football/...yminute.sport1 )

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Celtic: Hedman, McNamara, Balde, Varga, Agathe, Lennon, Sutton, Petrov, Thompson, Larsson, Hartson.
Subs: Douglas, Gray, Sylla, Petta, Maloney, Kennedy, Miller.

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VS Anderlecht (from http://www.theguardian.com/football/...sstory.sport11 )

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Celtic: 21-Magnus Hedman; 17-Didier Agathe, 4-Jackie McNamara, 23-Stanislav Varga, 6-Bobo Balde, 43-Liam Miller, 18-Neil Lennon, 19-Stilian Petrov, 7-Henrik Larsson, 9-Chris Sutton, 10-John Hartson

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The FAI have confirmed they're in the "advanced stages" of talks with O'Neill and Keane, which inevitably means something is going to go wrong.

Why?

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Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke

Lovely looking side, and would see the best of McClean & Coleman most likely. Where would you place Brady in it, were he to feature ?

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Brady should be in ahead of McGeady!

Delaney on next on Newstalk

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Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke

Lovely looking side, and would see the best of McClean & Coleman most likely. Where would you place Brady in it, were he to feature ?

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I don't think Brady would be suited to a wing back role, he'd lack the aggression and, more importantly, the pace. If I had to fit him into that system it would be at McGeady's expense but, for now, he'd be down the pecking order a bit.

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

There is, of course, another way of looking at it, to which you perhaps allude; O'Brien's money frees up the FAI to spend the remainder of its money elsewhere.

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I don't think O'Brien's contribution frees up anywhere near it's equivalent in the FAI pot. Without it, the FAI would surely hire a lot cheaper management team? Does O'Brien pay the full amount or pay the difference to what the FAI would otherwise fork out?

Indo confirming, sort of:
http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...-29728125.html

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

VS Lyon (from http://www.theguardian.com/football/...yminute.sport1 )


VS Anderlecht (from http://www.theguardian.com/football/...sstory.sport11 )

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So, 442 against Lyon, 433 of sorts vs Anderlecht?

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Originally Posted by DeLorean

Why so? I actually think O'Neill's original 3-5-2 formation at Celtic would suit us perfectly, for the next campaign at least.

----------------Westwood--------------

-------O'Shea----Dunne----Clark--------
Coleman-------------------------McClean

-----------Gibson------McCarthy--------

----------------McGeady---------------

------------Long------Keane------------


I'd like to see McClean tried there. Might be better suited to that role than Wilson, who has been pretty poor in recent matches in any case. Reid and Hoolahan would challenge McGeady for the free role off the front two.

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Just noticed that formation looks a bit like a space invader.

http://bulk.destructoid.com/ul/user/...s2jpg-468x.jpg



It's advantage is it's adaptability to switch between defensive attacking and containing play as demonstrated below.
http://www.hellotruth.co.za/wp-conte...-Invaders1.jpg

wasn't chris sutton used as an emergency centre back and centre mid for Celtic at times?

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Originally Posted by geysir

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It's all fine and well for the FAI to put resources into an international team and get a good managerial team.
But for a piddly little football association, in a country with one of the poorest leagues in Europe, yeah I think it does look a bit weird when there is a Eur2 -3 m golden chariot made available for the management of the senior team. It's out of proportion to the state of the football nation.

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Surely it's down to Denis O'Brien where he, er, spends his money.
Do even LOI fans want to continually keep bailing out certain bankrupt clubs anyway?

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Mick would have had us to 3 out of 3 tournaments with a top 2 finish. A top 2 finish is the minimum standard of expectation for a team who are more than likely to be 2nd seeds.

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Except Mick had much better players. Some people are a tad delusional but firmly believe, whatever the vagaries of MO'N/RMK we honestly don't have the personnel to reach the heights of '02 qualification IMO.

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Originally Posted by Kingdom

wasn't chris sutton used as an emergency centre back and centre mid for Celtic at times?

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Centre back, certainly, not sure about midfield. That goes back a long way - I believe Norwich and possibly Chelsea used him in defence at times too.

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Originally Posted by DeLorean

I don't think O'Brien's contribution frees up anywhere near it's equivalent in the FAI pot. Without it, the FAI would surely hire a lot cheaper management team? Does O'Brien pay the full amount or pay the difference to what the FAI would otherwise fork out?

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The previous arrangement was that he paid half - I'm not sure if the reduction in Trap's wage meant his proportion stayed at half or if the reduction was from the FAI's side only. Delaney has suggested a similar arrangement is in place now but the details aren't out there as far as I know.

Denis's support doesn't come for free though. You'll notice Delaney gave the first interview to Newstalk, his last print one-on-one was in the Sindo, etc. It's only a matter of time before Andy Keogh gets a DJ slot on Phantom.

Time to lock the thread.

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Originally Posted by tricky_colour

Double acts have worked in the past,

Tom and Jerry
Lennon and McCarthy
Laurel and Hardy
The Chuckle Brothers etc..

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Lee Dixon on ITV reckons it's a case of Dumb and Dumber.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llkgwPhHOc0

A bit harsh on tricky and colour...

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

A bit harsh on tricky and colour...

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Is that a comparison? Bit harsh on Dumb and Dumber! :p

'Giovanni Trapattoni toying with potential jobs in US and Japan as he looks to get back into management': http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/inter...-us-and-japan/

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Former Republic of Ireland manager Giovanni Trapattoni has cited the United States and Japan as possible destinations for him to make his return to the game.

Trapattoni, 74, parted company with Ireland in September and is keen to get back into management.

He told Radio Anch’io Sport: “I have a lot of offers, from America and Japan, but I can’t make a mistake in my decision.

“I’ll have a few meetings soon where I will decide whether to go east or west.

“I still have great enthusiasm, I want to carry on.”

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To reiterate what one of the commenters beneath the story said, I can't wait for the first Japanese press conference.

Trapattoni again questions Irish squad quality as he looks to new adventure

“Half of the players do not play in the English top flight and often the players were not first team regulars,” he said today.

http://s1.thejournal.ie/media/2013/1...26-390x285.jpg


EVERGREEN COACH Giovanni Trapattoni said he is looking forward to fresh challenges after failing to lead Ireland to the World Cup in Brazil next year.

Trapattoni, speaking to Radio Anch’Io Sport on Monday, recently ended his spell as coach of the Irish after they could only finish fourth in Group C qualifying behind Germany, Sweden and Austria.
“We parted amicably after four years together,” said Trapattoni, who admitted nonetheless that his task was not helped by two key obstacles.

“Half of the players do not play in the English top flight and often the players were not first team regulars.”

Trapattoni, 74, is one of the oldest active coaches at either club or international level.
But that has not dampened his desire to take up one of the offers he said have come from as far afield as the United States or Japan.
Having notably coached Serie A teams AC Milan, Juventus, Fiorentina and Inter, as well as Bayern Munich and the Italian national side, Trapattoni has become one of the most celebrated managers in football history.
He is one of four coaches, alongside Ernst Happel, Jose Mourinho, and Tomislav Ivic to have won league titles in four different countries and one of only two coaches, with Udo Lattek, to have won all three European club titles.
Despite the advancing years, Trapattoni said he has no plans to retire as yet.
“I have to be careful where I choose next,” he said. “I’ve received flattering requests from far off places like America and Japan. I have meetings lined up in the near future and we’ll see whether I decide to go east or west.”
He added: “I still have the enthusiasm for this job because mentally, I feel fresh. I’m not ready to take a back office position just yet.”

From TheScore.ie

Be a long commute for him to America or Japan..