Bohs in financial trouble - FAI Licencing called into question again?

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07/10/2011, 2:42 PM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by legendz

What is the story with the ground?

he hee he.

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Is it sold, not sold, owned by Bohs or not?

All, and none, of the above. Twice

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Where was the new area Bohs were to relocate to?

Harristown
07/10/2011, 6:22 PM
A face

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

that had nothing to do with them selling part of the ground twice and being drunk at the meeting where the ground was sold the second time.

What happened here?
07/10/2011, 6:30 PM
SkStu

its largely irrelevant at this stage but it was a small tract of land that was sold over a boozy lunch by our esteemed leaders at the time. It was the first time we sold it by the way, not the second (wow do i feel stupid correcting this!)... it was that sale and our failure to produce complete title when we tried to sell the whole property that delayed and ultimately ended the deal going ahead. Idiotic.
07/10/2011, 7:23 PM
A face

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Originally Posted by SkStu

its largely irrelevant at this stage but it was a small tract of land that was sold over a boozy lunch by our esteemed leaders at the time. It was the first time we sold it by the way, not the second (wow do i feel stupid correcting this!)... it was that sale and our failure to produce complete title when we tried to sell the whole property that delayed and ultimately ended the deal going ahead. Idiotic.

I wouldn't mind the 'boozy lunch' the first time as long it was a measured decision, but without the excuse of a boozy lunch the second time, thats where the glaring problem was. Its a pity, because it sounded like a good deal at the time.
11/10/2011, 10:06 AM
marinobohs

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Originally Posted by A face

I wouldn't mind the 'boozy lunch' the first time as long it was a measured decision, but without the excuse of a boozy lunch the second time, thats where the glaring problem was. Its a pity, because it sounded like a good deal at the time.

"measured" is the perfect term A FACE, as it was actualy the size of the tract of land that caused all the subsequent problems (I dont get it either). The land Albion claimed to have a right/option over included a small portion of land subsequently covered by the Danninger deal, and it was this that prevented completion (with Danninger).
Latter deal certainly was the best option but once it went south the club were always in big trouble.
11/10/2011, 6:20 PM
SkStu

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Originally Posted by marinobohs

"measured" is the perfect term A FACE, as it was actualy the size of the tract of land that caused all the subsequent problems (I dont get it either). The land Albion claimed to have a right/option over included a small portion of land subsequently covered by the Danninger deal, and it was this that prevented completion (with Danninger).
Latter deal certainly was the best option but once it went south the club were always in big trouble.

big trouble because we spent money before we had it. Despite knowing that we didnt own it.

'kin hell.
11/10/2011, 6:48 PM
Dave_SRFC

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Originally Posted by SkStu

big trouble because we spent money before we had it. Despite knowing that we didnt own it.

'kin hell.

Serious question do Bohs fans think they'll have a club to support in the LOI next season?..or whats the best you can hope for?
11/10/2011, 7:06 PM
SkStu

the best i hope for is to have a club to support next season. Unlikely unless we are rescued as we have shown we cannot rescue ourselves.
12/10/2011, 9:53 AM
CMcC

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Originally Posted by Dave_SRFC

Serious question do Bohs fans think they'll have a club to support in the LOI next season?..or whats the best you can hope for?

No I don't anyway.
Best we can hope for is a miracle.
17/10/2011, 3:48 PM
marinobohs

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Originally Posted by Dave_SRFC

Serious question do Bohs fans think they'll have a club to support in the LOI next season?..or whats the best you can hope for?

Might survive but a lot of "ifs and butts". Need to see out this season (pay commitments to season end). Sort out the ungodly mess that is Dalymount/Zurich and finalise life after Dalymount.

other than that all is fine......:rolleyes:
17/10/2011, 3:52 PM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by marinobohs

Might survive but a lot of "ifs and butts". Need to see out this season (pay commitments to season end). Sort out the ungodly mess that is Dalymount/Zurich and finalise life after Dalymount.

other than that all is fine......:rolleyes:

You forgot about the big contract Nutsy still has for next season too
17/10/2011, 3:56 PM
SkStu

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Originally Posted by Dodge

You forgot about the big contract Nutsy still has for next season too

thats fcking pittance when you look at the bigger picture.
17/10/2011, 3:57 PM
El-Pietro

where would Bohs play if Dalymount was no longer available?
17/10/2011, 4:00 PM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by El-Pietro

where would Bohs play if Dalymount was no longer available?

the Leinster Senior League

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Originally Posted by SkStu

thats fcking pittance when you look at the bigger picture.

Ah I know, I was just loading up.
17/10/2011, 4:52 PM
SkStu

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Ah I know, I was just loading up.

Ah i know. :)
18/10/2011, 2:00 PM
TiocfaidhArmani

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Originally Posted by El-Pietro

where would Bohs play if Dalymount was no longer available?

That's a good question, maybe Shels and Bohs may need to bash heads together to sort something out like a groundshare.
18/10/2011, 2:01 PM
TiocfaidhArmani

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Originally Posted by SkStu

the best i hope for is to have a club to support next season. Unlikely unless we are rescued as we have shown we cannot rescue ourselves.

You're going down the Cork and Derry way, could be the best thing for you. You come back debt free and build from there.
18/10/2011, 11:26 PM
BonnieShels

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Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani

That's a good question, maybe Shels and Bohs may need to bash heads together to sort something out like a groundshare.

That would only happen if we were in the same division next season. And would probably only involve the fans.
19/10/2011, 1:44 PM
TiocfaidhArmani

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Originally Posted by BonnieShels

That would only happen if we were in the same division next season. And would probably only involve the fans.

Just thinking though we’re both gonna be homeless soon enough, we’re both on the Northside, so maybe we may have to combine efforts to get something done, because after Tolka I'm not sure where we'll end up or how we're in a position to do something alone.
19/10/2011, 1:56 PM
marinobohs

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Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani

Just thinking though we�re both gonna be homeless soon enough, we�re both on the Northside, so maybe we may have to combine efforts to get something done, because after Tolka I'm not sure where we'll end up or how we're in a position to do something alone.

..genuine problem as I believe Shels only got a licence this season on the basis that they had option of using Dalymount if Tolka was withdrawn during the season.

Only options would be Morton or ground share with pats (until Kelleher pulls out and they end up as badly off) or UCD.

Could of course become new tenants in the SDCC stadium ;)

Despite the drop in building costs I cant see ourselves or Shels building anything anytime soon.
19/10/2011, 2:23 PM
pineapple stu

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Originally Posted by marinobohs

Only options would be [...] UCD.

Which of course isn't an option as the college authorities won't have ye.

Funny that the suggestion which caused uproar a while back - Shels and Bohs groundsharing - is being mentioned seriously now. (Though maybe with non-retarded ground plans)
19/10/2011, 2:25 PM
TiocfaidhArmani

No me either, although there was an option put to Home Farm to develop their ground with the help of the FAI/Shels, which would then to used for underage internationals and they turned it down. We would have been sorted with a nice 4/5,000 seater and they declined it instead to keep their ground as it is!
19/10/2011, 2:57 PM
marinobohs

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Which of course isn't an option as the college authorities won't have ye.

Funny that the suggestion which caused uproar a while back - Shels and Bohs groundsharing - is being mentioned seriously now. (Though maybe with non-retarded ground plans)

I think the "groundsharing" suggestion you are referring to was Ollie Byrnes plan to buy half of Dalymount for 2 million while there was an offer from Danninger for 60 million to buy the ground ? Do you really need to have it explained why Bohs membership rejected Ollies offer ? (although an explanation on how we f****** up the Danninger deal would be appreciated :confused:)

Incidentially when rejecting Shels offer Bohs did make an offer to Shels to move to Dalyer on a tenant basis - with along term contract if they wished. this was rejected by Ollie and he said he would only move to Dalymount if he owned it (expletives removed :o).
19/10/2011, 5:26 PM
dfx-

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Originally Posted by Dodge

All, and none, of the above. Twice

That doesn't get old and almost certainly never will.

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Harristown

Wasn't there some other plan around Castleknock/Westlink toll or is that the same one
21/10/2011, 1:15 PM
legendz

Hard hat on first of all before I comment. Is there any possibility Bohs could work with Fingal? Sp. Fingal went bust, Fingal seemed to want a club for the area. Could both work together like Shamrock and the SDCC?
21/10/2011, 2:47 PM
CMcC

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Originally Posted by dfx-

That doesn't get old and almost certainly never will.

Wasn't there some other plan around Castleknock/Westlink toll or is that the same one

There was an initial proposal to move to Castleknock - back of carpernterstown etc which then made way for the Harristown proposal.
21/10/2011, 2:54 PM
marinobohs

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Originally Posted by legendz

Hard hat on first of all before I comment. Is there any possibility Bohs could work with Fingal? Sp. Fingal went bust, Fingal seemed to want a club for the area. Could both work together like Shamrock and the SDCC?

.....bearing in mind the fallout from the Sporting debacle I very much doubt Fingal County Council will be cosying up to any football club any time soon. Especially not one with the expensive tastes Bohs have aquired :bigsmile:
21/10/2011, 4:00 PM
legendz

Surely there's a difference. Bohs have their name, fans, history and tradition.
21/10/2011, 6:30 PM
SkStu

in fact i think Bohs did thump on that particular door but FCC pretended they werent home.
22/10/2011, 6:36 AM
SkStu

Fenlons take.

http://www.extratime.ie/newsdesk/articles/6937/
22/10/2011, 9:11 AM
legendz

I have to say I agree with comments of no sympathy for Fenlon. It's not the first time he's been involved like this.
22/10/2011, 9:48 AM
dong

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Originally Posted by legendz

I have to say I agree with comments of no sympathy for Fenlon. It's not the first time he's been involved like this.

What a vague thing to say.
While Fenlon should not be overly lauded for his successes given the budgets that were handed to him, nor should he be vilified for accepting budgets and a wage that were also handed to him by clubs that he was at.
People need to get real.
22/10/2011, 1:12 PM
Rasputin

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Originally Posted by legendz

I have to say I agree with comments of no sympathy for Fenlon. It's not the first time he's been involved like this.

Fenlon does not set the budget and if he did set the budget then the Board have alot to answer for.
Managers are responsible for on field activities, finances lie with the Board, its not overly complex.
Also Fenlon is the second most successfull manager in LOI history, great manager and a gent.
22/10/2011, 4:05 PM
HulaHoop

Hearing rumours that the vultures who were rumbled by the right thinking members at Bohs in this thread last march are going to now get what they wanted - Dalymount on the cheap. A shame the true Bohs fans couldn't stop these individuals and their friends being the ones in power at Dalymount making insane decisions on budgets etc. The ordinary members and fans at Bohs just woke up a few years too late to the reality of what was going on at their club.

From a personal point of view I hope they don't cease to exist but a homeless 5-10 year sentence in the first division before coming back to the premier in a new home would be a suitable punishment.
22/10/2011, 8:04 PM
Gingerh

How is this going to play out - what is the event(s) that will bring it to a head?
22/10/2011, 8:24 PM
Jofspring

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Originally Posted by HulaHoop

Hearing rumours that the vultures who were rumbled by the right thinking members at Bohs in this thread last march are going to now get what they wanted - Dalymount on the cheap. A shame the true Bohs fans couldn't stop these individuals and their friends being the ones in power at Dalymount making insane decisions on budgets etc. The ordinary members and fans at Bohs just woke up a few years too late to the reality of what was going on at their club.

From a personal point of view I hope they don't cease to exist but a homeless 5-10 year sentence in the first division before coming back to the premier in a new home would be a suitable punishment.

Or the limerick way, 27 years with no home and 18 years out of the top flight.
24/10/2011, 8:58 AM
marinobohs

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Originally Posted by HulaHoop

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From a personal point of view I hope they don't cease to exist but a homeless 5-10 year sentence in the first division before coming back to the premier in a new home would be a suitable punishment.

......... hmmmmmm 5-10 years in First Division for stupidity (of members) versus 1 year for misuse of Govt funds, forgery etc.

What short memories some on here have :rolleyes:
24/10/2011, 9:27 AM
Charlie Darwin

Don't forget misuse of umbrellas.
04/11/2011, 8:20 AM
dutchie

If Bohs get the boot to the first Division,who replaces them,1.the beaten team in promotion play-off(Galway)or 2.next team in first div.ie Limerick
04/11/2011, 8:28 AM
Mr Maroon

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Originally Posted by dutchie

If Bohs get the boot to the first Division,who replaces them,1.the beaten team in promotion play-off(Galway)or 2.next team in first div.ie Limerick

We're first in line for it (if we get a Premier license).

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