NI boss targets Republic's Gibson

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Well in fairness, he was half right/half wrong. The word "retrospectively" says it all really.....

Btw can the FAI appeal it at all?

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It's bad news really if you ignore the spin.

DG was always going to be OK. He declared in 2003 before the rule change. To apply rules retrospectively would open a huge can of worms and rule many players ineligible for their national teams. NI would lose Maik Taylor for example.

It does appear we've lost the case. FIFA haven't made an announcement yet but that is the clear interpretation.

The FAI can appeal. Whether they will or not is another matter. They probably have other things on their mind at the moment.

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Originally Posted by gspain

It's bad news really if you ignore the spin.

DG was always going to be OK. He declared in 2003 before the rule change. To apply rules retrospectively would open a huge can of worms and rule many players ineligible for their national teams. NI would lose Maik Taylor for example.

It does appear we've lost the case. FIFA haven't made an announcement yet but that is the clear interpretation.

The FAI can appeal. Whether they will or not is another matter. They probably have other things on their mind at the moment.

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The information out there is that Darron declared in 2005 well after the Annex was in operation.
Darron is 19 years old.
His transfer was lock solid at the time.

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Originally Posted by geysir

The information out there is that Darron declared in 2005 well after the Annex was in operation.
Darron is 19 years old.
His transfer was lock solid at the time.

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The regulations came into force in 2004. The Annex clarifying them was issued in 2005.

DG played for us in 2003


http://www.elevenaside.com/boysingre...sp?newsid=8150


Bad start for under-17s


October 22, 2003

Rep of Ireland U17 1-2 Austria U17
Noel O’Reilly’s Irish under-17 side suffered a setback in their hopes of making it to the second qualification phase of the Uefa European Championships when going down to their Austrian counterparts in Grenchen, Switzerland on Tuesday evening.

The Irish went into this four-team tournament – from which two sides go forward to the next phase – as one of the favourites to progress following their friendly tournament victory in Hungary in August.

The game appeared to be heading for a scoreless draw before a dramatic final ten minutes, when the Austrians scored twice before Ireland battled back to close the deficit to one before the final whistle.

Substitute Idrizaj opened the scoreline for the Austrians on 71 minutes, and they doubled the lead through striker Hoffer five minutes later.

Leeds United youngster Ian Morris converted from the penalty spot in injury time at the end of the 80 minutes after Ipswich’s Billy Clarke had been deemed to have been fouled inside the area, but the Irish teenagers were unable to find the leveller that would have given them a better chance of claiming one of the two qualification berths.

In the day’s other game, Belarus caused an upset when downing the hosts Switzerland on a 1-0 scoreline in Lyss. Ireland meet Belarus in Lyss tomorrow (Thursday).

Rep of Ireland under-17: Randolph (Charlton Athletic), Keane (Belvedere), Stapleton (Reading), Gibson (Derry City), O’Dea (Celtic), S. Kelly (Kingdom Boys), J.P. Kelly (Liverpool), Morris (Leeds United), O’Carroll (Celtic), Stokes (Arsenal), Hayes (Reading). Subs: Gaynor (Millwall) for Hayes (67 mins), Clarke (Leeds United) for Stokes (75 mins), Fitzgerald (Lourdes Celtic) for Keane (77 mins).

Austria under-17: Kuru, Gramann, Asinger, Suttner, Hackmair, Kreimer, Madl, Walzer, Tosun, Hoffer, Seelaus. Subs: Idrizak for Kreimer (41 mins), Lercher for Seelaus (60 mins), Okotie for Hoffer (80 mins).

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Originally Posted by gspain

It's bad news really if you ignore the spin

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That would be my reading too.

And I think FIFA have rules in place to punish anybody who goes the legal route (which of course the FAI would win)

very bad news for the lads from across the border who see themselves as Irish.

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Originally Posted by shakermaker1982

very bad news for the lads from across the border who see themselves as Irish.

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Isn't it just - they'll maybe have to consider playing for the IRISH Football Association team.:eek:

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

Isn't it just - they'll maybe have to consider playing for the IRISH Football Association team.:eek:

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and get sectarian abuse from some (not all) of the fans? If they've got an Irish passport, see themselves as Irish and don't want to play for a BRITISH team then they should be allowed to follow in Gibson's footsteps IMO.

terrible news for those in the north who don't feel represented by NI. a shame that a major portion of the GF agreement cannot be replicated by football.

ignore the spin, this case was always about more than Darron Gibson. A bad ruling imo for the RoI.

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Originally Posted by Dodge

That would be my reading too.

And I think FIFA have rules in place to punish anybody who goes the legal route (which of course the FAI would win)

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I don't think the legal route is an option and frankly we wouldn't win. We could use the FIFA appeals process and the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

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Originally Posted by gspain

The regulations came into force in 2004. The Annex clarifying them was issued in 2005.

DG played for us in 2003
http://www.elevenaside.com/boysingre...sp?newsid=8150.

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Point taken. As I said there is information out there that he declared in 2005.
Obviously not right though.

That means he was 2 days into his 16th year when he played for the u 17´s

:rolleyes:

unfortunately this thread is on its last legs...................

the roundabout will begin to rehash - lennon... we've changed ... we are british and irish at the same time ... you only sing brit songs .... we are the Irish Football Association ... November 1993 ... we've changed ... even nationalists should want to play for us .... No surrender ... a new flag ... a new song ... blah ... blah ... blah

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Originally Posted by shakermaker1982

and get sectarian abuse from some (not all) of the fans? If they've got an Irish passport, see themselves as Irish and don't want to play for a BRITISH team then they should be allowed to follow in Gibson's footsteps IMO.

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Unfortunately for you, it's FIFA's "opinion" that counts.

Your "sectarian abuse" comment is so tired.

Several Irish Passport holders proudly play for Northern Ireland....none of them receive sectarian abuse.

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Originally Posted by Spanner

Valiant effort to keep it going...after nearly 800 posts :rolleyes:

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:confused: what are you on about

Tbh honest, I cant see how they could lose if they appealed, the whole idea of FIFA having a legal department and lawyer(s) ( who review all cases individually ), is to ensure that whatever it rules on is legally binding and doesn't infringe on a humans right. It is the right of anyone under the GFA to consider themselves a citizen of Eire, as the passport says, therefore under any ruling they would therefore be allowed to choose who to represent. I have to say I didnt think FIFA would rule this way.

There is very little new in todays announcement for those of us who have been taking a close interest in all this. Now for the politicians again.....

i'm sure it's been said but a football organization should follow a nation's law, not the other way around.

In most cases would not the grandparents have been born before partition and therefor the likes of Gibson still be qualified for the ROI.

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Originally Posted by Ordinary Fan

In most cases would not the grandparents have been born before partition and therefor the likes of Gibson still be qualified for the ROI.

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Unlikely to be the case unless the player was born in the 70s or early 80s maybe but time rattles on. I could stand corrected however if Gibsons father is a Sugar Daddy.

well heres the thing. If my father decided to get British citizen ship, which he could do due to being born before 1947, then I could do too, as he would have british citizenship

If the player has a grandfather in the same way then he could too.....so i would have thought this worked the other way round too?!

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It is the right of anyone under the GFA to consider themselves a citizen of Eire

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WRONG!
They can consider themselves and be accepted as Irish, British or both. Also "their right to hold both British and Irish citizenship is accepted by both Governments".

That doesn't give them a right to play for a foreign* football team.

* Like it or not, the Republic of Ireland team is just that. They are not a de facto Ireland team.

Whoever said previously this was always about Gibson is way off. Most NI fans are much more concerned about the principle of the Republic pinching our players than this one. Gibson was just the straw that broke the Camel's back and as long as we get the principle of jurisdictional integrity you can keep Gibson, I doubt he'd get near the NI team following his defection anyway.