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21/10/2009, 11:28 AM
Emmet7

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Originally Posted by GypsyBlackCat

He's not unlucky, just a bad manager. The team he has is good enough to be challegning for the play-offs at least. He spent close to �10m in the summer which is a lot of money. Thats more money than Preston, Blackpool even Newcastle and WBA. He has no man-management skills or knowledge of tactics. Keane has been found out. To most he was found last season at Sunderland. He got lucky at the SoL. Managers have gone for less.

No wins in 14 game in all comps is not unlucky but time to sack the manager before its to late.

I'm no great fan of Roy Keane but I think it's bizarre that a Sunderland fan is complaining about Roy Keane.

If it wasn't for Keane Sunderland without a shadow of a doubt would still be in the Championship and given the state it was in when he took over, Sunderland would more likely be in League One as that was their standard when he took over.

Sunderland fans should go down on their knees and worship the ground Keane walks on every day of the week. There are supporters of teams in the Championship and League One such as Leeds who would give their right arm for what Keane done for Sunderland.

As for Ipswich, they don't seem to have great players and it's hard to do anything with players of limited ability. You cannot turn them into world beaters overnight.

I think though Keane is making an impression at Ipswich and slowly stopping the rot. He deserves time to turn Ipswich into a team who can challenge for promotion.
21/10/2009, 11:43 AM
geysir

Jesus does a lot of weeping on this thread.
21/10/2009, 1:08 PM
seanfhear

Keane inherited an average Ipswich team, spent a fair amount of dough for the championship and signed some players for free and so far turned them into a very bad team.

If he gets another 5 games with similiar results then Ipswich will have shown great patience with him but he will have to jump or be pushed.

I would like any Irishman to be sucessful as a manager but apart from his first season at Sunderland Keanes record is no great shakes.
21/10/2009, 1:22 PM
Emmet7

He kept Sunderland up the second season which is in itself a major achievement.

I have no time for fly by night fans and Chairmen who want to dump the manager as soon as the team hit a bad patch.

Similiar idiots were calling for Alex Ferguson's head 20 years ago and now they are the same bandwagoners who have to be at every Champions League final Utd are at.

No time for fickle fans at all.
21/10/2009, 1:25 PM
Duggie

i think keane will be ok at ipswich. a few wins and they can climb the table fairly quickly. just to get that first win would be huge. playoff's is still a possibilty if they can just put a run together. but the championship has a lot of good teams in it this year and it will be tough.
21/10/2009, 1:29 PM
seanfhear

Historically Ipswich are very patient with managers but they have a new owner and we will see how it goes.

He would be already sacked at a lot of clubs.
21/10/2009, 8:03 PM
Morbo

Trigger, get your walking boots on.
21/10/2009, 10:32 PM
Serb

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Originally Posted by seanfhear

He would be already sacked at a lot of clubs.

Agreed, and Gareth Southgate is walking proof of that. That's a tough one to understand actually, sticking with Southgate even through relegation from the Premier League, then sacking him when they are 4th in the Championship have just overturned a run of 3 home defeats.
22/10/2009, 1:35 AM
Emmet7

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Originally Posted by Serb

Agreed, and Gareth Southgate is walking proof of that. That's a tough one to understand actually, sticking with Southgate even through relegation from the Premier League, then sacking him when they are 4th in the Championship have just overturned a run of 3 home defeats.

It was a decision based largely on financial reasons I would say. Boro had a record low attendance at their last home game before his sacking. Fans were beginning to desert the club in droves.

They still have a high wage bill and unless they are certain or promotion it's hard to pay that bill.

Keane on the other hand I'm sure gaurantees large attendences and is box office. Large attendences give you financial muscle.

Those in charge of Ipswich are probably assessing the situation week by week.
22/10/2009, 3:51 AM
Colbert Report

Keane is going nowhere. It's a matter of time before he wins his first league match with Ipswich. He would have been long gone already if the new owner didn't love him.
22/10/2009, 8:07 AM
bennocelt

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Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er

They went onto a state of the art facility in Japan for their preparatory training beforehand you utter moron.

Thanks, very constructive argument there:rolleyes:
They went there because ray tracey got it on the cheap, and the FAI had a nice junket
Go to a place with a football team where there are no football pitches before a world cup - yeah your right its clever:rolleyes:
22/10/2009, 8:58 AM
dr_peepee

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Originally Posted by Serb

Agreed, and Gareth Southgate is walking proof of that. That's a tough one to understand actually, sticking with Southgate even through relegation from the Premier League, then sacking him when they are 4th in the Championship have just overturned a run of 3 home defeats.

But with the lowest attendance ever at the riverside....
22/10/2009, 9:11 AM
Drumcondra 69er

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Originally Posted by bennocelt

Thanks, very constructive argument there:rolleyes:
They went there because ray tracey got it on the cheap, and the FAI had a nice junket
Go to a place with a football team where there are no football pitches before a world cup - yeah your right its clever:rolleyes:

You clearly haven't got a clue what you're on about and have swallowed the RK hype about Saipan so I'll leave you and your rolling eyes there.
22/10/2009, 9:22 AM
Lenny82

He's drawn 5 of his last 7 games and one of those defeats was to Newcastle, the other was to a Barnsley winner 6 minutes into injury time. They were 3-2 up at Doncaster when Quinton Fortune scored a very rare goal with 5 minutes remaining, 3-1 up at Sheff Utd until they got an equaliser in injury time, and then they conceded an injury time equaliser against Watford on Tuesday.

If football was 80 minutes long he'd be up at the playoff places!!;)

As a player at Manchester United, he and the players around him worked their socks off for the 90 minutes plus 7 or 8 minutes injury time and were renowned for getting late goals. His luck has just turned as a manager but I've no doubt he will turn things around.

Too many draws and too many goals conceded late. They've only lost 2 games more than Middlesborough. I hope he gets his team in order cause I always liked Ipswich and they always gave Irish lads a chance.
22/10/2009, 10:17 AM
irishfan86

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Originally Posted by Lenny82

I hope he gets his team in order cause I always liked Ipswich and they always gave Irish lads a chance.

Would you mind telling Roy to give Garvan a chance?
22/10/2009, 10:21 AM
tetsujin1979

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Originally Posted by Lenny82

I hope he gets his team in order cause I always liked Ipswich and they always gave Irish lads a chance.

Sold Billy Clarke
Dropped Owen Garvan
Shane Supple left football completely (not necessarily Keane's fault, but happened during his stewardship)
22/10/2009, 10:33 AM
Deckydee

Ipswich have collapsed under Keane
22/10/2009, 11:06 AM
drummerboy

One of the reasons for the poor results has been the form of their keeper, Richard Wright who was dropped for the last game. Pity Shane Supple didn't stick around.
22/10/2009, 11:19 AM
seanfhear

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Originally Posted by Colbert Report

Keane is going nowhere. It's a matter of time before he wins his first league match with Ipswich. He would have been long gone already if the new owner didn't love him.

If he does not get some wins he will be going somewhere. No club not even Ipswich will keep a manager with these results. Ipswich fans will not keep turning up and as Gareth Southagate has found out "thats curtains"

Fans may start asserting their will in this manner more now that they know its a good way to oust a manager.

Hopefully he will prove his doubters (me and many others) wrong and make himself a success as a manager. Ipswich are definitely giving him a good go at it.
22/10/2009, 11:32 AM
Duggie

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Originally Posted by seanfhear

If he does not get some wins he will be going somewhere. No club not even Ipswich will keep a manager with these results. Ipswich fans will not keep turning up and as Gareth Southagate has found out "thats curtains"

Fans may start asserting their will in this manner more now that they know its a good way to oust a manager.

Hopefully he will prove his doubters (me and many others) wrong and make himself a success as a manager. Ipswich are definitely giving him a good go at it.

im not a doubter but i do hope he gets that win this weekend. a couple of wins can shoot them up the table and take a bit of the pressure of. then maybe he can add to the squad in jan(and get rid of a few). come on roy!!

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