Liverpool

I know what you are saying. But the point I am trying to make is Torries is injury prone. If someone offered 80 million, would Liverpool fans not be tempted to take the money and run.

Don't get me wrong Torres is a top striker but he seems to play less and less and will probably be out most of this season.

Would it not be better to have 2 or 3 good strikers who aren't injured all the time and who between them score more than Torres.

Without Torres Liverpool can look very blunt up front a lot of the time.

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Originally Posted by Emmet7

Would it not be better to have 2 or 3 good strikers who aren't injured all the time and who between them score more than Torres..

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I'd say they should have these anyway, with or without Torres. One of Liverpools main problems is strength in depth up front.

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Originally Posted by Emmet7

Without Torres Liverpool can look very blunt up front a lot of the time.

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Missing one of the best strikers in the world can do that to a team.

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Originally Posted by endabob1

Liverpool need to be a lot better to haul in City imo, I'll be surprised if they get 4th.

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With Mancini at the helm I'd be more confident of getting fourth

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Originally Posted by Roadend

With Mancini at the helm I'd be more confident of getting fourth

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What makes you think that?

Watching him almost cost City the match the other night mostly, I'd be a lot more confident of them dropping points due to his "what we have we hold" mentality. Grand in Italy but not in the PL.

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Originally Posted by Roadend

Watching him almost cost City the match the other night mostly, I'd be a lot more confident of them dropping points due to his "what we have we hold" mentality. Grand in Italy but not in the PL.

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They did seem to go into their shell a bit after taking the lead. Even Given was delaying picking up the ball and that kind of thing. I found it kind of strange really, you would think a one goal lead would have only been a minimum requirement going to OT. Having said that maybe they could have done with more of a "what we have we'll hold" attitude in some of their games under Hughes.

Liverpool will get fourth

When you take into account that Liverpool have had a dreadful season and hold it up against Spurs (who have been playing possibly a little above them) and City (about their level) and see that Liverpool are only a point behind those sides you see that if Liverpool come into any sort of form they will easily secure the CL spot

You know things are bad when you only get a draw with Wolves, having barely created a chance, and you think you've turned a corner

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Originally Posted by jebus

Liverpool will get fourth

When you take into account that Liverpool have had a dreadful season and hold it up against Spurs (who have been playing possibly a little above them) and City (about their level) and see that Liverpool are only a point behind those sides you see that if Liverpool come into any sort of form they will easily secure the CL spot

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Or an alternative view, Liverpool have overachieved in recent years and are getting found out now, really Torres & Gerrard apart their squad is pretty weak

Bennayoun, Mascherano, Skyrtel, Agger, Johnson & Reina are good players but it's beneath that the problems are..I couldn't see Carragher in any other top half team, ditto Lucas & a few others who are regulars, even Kuyt who's having the season of his life is basically rubbish and would be a rotating striker anywhere else

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Originally Posted by endabob1

even Kuyt who's having the season of his life

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What the hell:confused:

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Originally Posted by DeLorean

What the hell:confused:

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My thoughts exactly

might be a typo, leaving out the "isn't" ?

Kuyt will never set the world alight with his skills, but I personally think over the past couple of months he is one of the only Liverpool players to come out of their “crisis” with any credit. He’s work rate is 2nd to none and he just never gives up, he chips in with the odd goal and never complains or is in the papers mouthing off. If only Liverpool has a few more players as committed to the cause as this guy is, I don’t think they would be struggling the way they are at present.

I can't believe i've said that about Kuyt ! ha :D

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Originally Posted by Roo69

I can't believe i've said that about Kuyt ! ha :D

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This is about the only part of your post I can relate to!! Of course Kuyt isn't complaining, the guy is living the dream. With all of Benitez's rotational policies he plays Kuyt every single game without fail. He actually played in 38/38 League matches last season. He gets far too much praise for his work rate in my opinion, that's should be a minimum requirement for any player, especially one as limited as he is.

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Originally Posted by DeLorean

This is about the only part of your post I can relate to!! Of course Kuyt isn't complaining, the guy is living the dream. With all of Benitez's rotational policies he plays Kuyt every single game without fail. He actually played in 38/38 League matches last season. He gets far too much praise for his work rate in my opinion, that's should be a minimum requirement for any player, especially one as limited as he is.

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I would agree with you, It should be a minimum requirement for any player, its not. Very few players work consistantly hard week in week out, Kuyt does even if he is quite limited, but every manager has their favopurite players and will get more game time than most, again that is apart of football

I know, I just think people go overboard about how hard he works. There are plenty of players out there that work just as hard but are actually good. Benayoun has a fantastic work rate and is on another planet to Kuyt, footballing wise, but is only in and out of the team. Ultimately the players have to be judged on their overall contribution and on that score he's getting away with murder.

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Originally Posted by DeLorean

I know, I just think people go overboard about how hard he works. There are plenty of players out there that work just as hard but are actually good. Benayoun has a fantastic work rate and is on another planet to Kuyt, footballing wise, but is only in and out of the team. Ultimately the players have to be judged on their overall contribution and on that score he's getting away with murder.

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I don't think he is though, in the Liverpool side he is one of the hardest working players along with the likes of Benayoun (who should be getting a lot more starts than he is). In the Liverpool team over the 5/6 months he has contributed and offered a lot more than most of his team mates.

Not sure why the reaction to my Kuyt comments, as Roo69 says he's one of the few players at Liverpool to emerge with any credit this season. He works hard and has been a mainstay in the side when Torres & Gerrard have been out. Don't get me wrong I think he's Rubbish (as I stated) but his form this season have been much much imporved.

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Originally Posted by endabob1

Not sure why the reaction to my Kuyt comments, as Roo69 says he's one of the few players at Liverpool to emerge with any credit this season. He works hard and has been a mainstay in the side when Torres & Gerrard have been out. Don't get me wrong I think he's Rubbish (as I stated) but his form this season have been much much imporved.

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I think he has been completely rubbish this season. He was actually better last season where he had a semi-decent run of form in the first half of the season particularly. The thing is that he had fellas around him last season in good form, now nearly everybody is playing rubbish so he doesn't stand out as much. If you have Lucas & N'Gog to critisise it will naturally take some of the emphasis of Kuyt, it doesn't mean he's after improving it just means there actually a couple of players worse than him now. I really don't see the big deal about his work ethic, fair enough it's one box that he ticks successfully but it doesn't make up for his lack of vision, finishing ability, crossing ability, ability to control the ball, etc, etc, etc.

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Originally Posted by DeLorean

I think he has been completely rubbish this season. He was actually better last season where he had a semi-decent run of form in the first half of the season particularly. The thing is that he had fellas around him last season in good form, now nearly everybody is playing rubbish so he doesn't stand out as much. If you have Lucas & N'Gog to critisise it will naturally take some of the emphasis of Kuyt, it doesn't mean he's after improving it just means there actually a couple of players worse than him now. I really don't see the big deal about his work ethic, fair enough it's one box that he ticks successfully but it doesn't make up for his lack of vision, finishing ability, crossing ability, ability to control the ball, etc, etc, etc.

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Just one thing on Dirk Kuyt, I'm not his biggest fan but i do give him credit for trying to be sucessful in a position that is not the one he was playing in before he signed, You only have to look at his scoring record in Holland(i know its a weaker league) to see that he is/was a striker. He has never complained about playing out of position like a lot of players have, he has got his head down and worked for the good of the team.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirk_Kuyt