New Irish manager

Much ado about nothing. Job vacancy exists. Out of work managers apply. So what?

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Originally Posted by ifk101

Sweden looks to the British game as much as we do. I can ensure you that the Premiership is just as popular in Sweden and Scandinavia as anywhere in Ireland. The only difference between their international side and our international side is cultural. Their international side just reflects Swedish society - it's bureaucratic, organised, disciplined, the bus always goes on time, and everybody knows his/her role. Our international side reflects Irish society - it's disorganised, everything is up in the air, the bus never goes on time, if it happens it happens, brown envelopes are the order of the day, and the main thing is to have a good laugh.

The problem is, as I see it, we know that we need to be organised and prepared if we want to win matches. But can we in our disorganisation attract a manager that can get us organised and will our players be acceptant of the culture shock.

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Very good post.

One one hand I've always held Sweden and Denmark up as examples of what can be achieved by smaller countries - regular qualification and good at winning away from home. On the other hand I'm disappointed we didn't get Scandi teams in our group as I think we're better against northern European teams than eastern European. It's more our style of football.

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Much ado about nothing. Job vacancy exists. Out of work managers apply. So what?

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I bet you won't be saying that if one of these guys is appointed! The FAi should disband the 3-man committee now and start again from scratch. Head hunt the best managers available.

Why should they disband it because some out of work over the hilll managers apply for the job. Surely if they believe in the process they should stick with it. Just becuse Wilkinson and Taylor and Venables and a few others that we dont want have applied for the job does not mean the process is flawed.

I do not have a problem with the process as at least footballing people are making the decision. I would rather footballing people make it rather than Delaney and Blood etc. As with most things though the FAI will be judged on the end result and people will soon forget about the process if Roy Hodgson is appointed.

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Why should they disband it because some out of work over the hilll managers apply for the job. Surely if they believe in the process they should stick with it. Just becuse Wilkinson and Taylor and Venables and a few others that we dont want have applied for the job does not mean the process is flawed.

I do not have a problem with the process as at least footballing people are making the decision. I would rather footballing people make it rather than Delaney and Blood etc. As with most things though the FAI will be judged on the end result and people will soon forget about the process if Roy Hodgson is appointed.

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So if Venables is appointed by football people then it wil be OK.

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Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar

So if Venables is appointed by football people then it wil be OK.

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what's your alternative to the current process?

I know whats going on here.

JD has a bet with Bonner that this is going to be the longest thread ever on foot.ie. only 90 posts to go and a new manager will be appointed

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Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar

So if Venables is appointed by football people then it wil be OK.

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Read my post, I said as with most things they will be judged on the end result which in this case is which manager they get. I dont want Venables to get the job but I would not blame the process for it.

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Originally Posted by eekers

what's your alternative to the current process?

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Have one person appoint the manager. Somebody who has never met any of the candidates. What we have now is as follows

1. 3 man selection committee consisting of Houghton, Howe and Givens
2. Houghton works with Brady a leading candidate for the job.
3. Houghton works with Giles who allegedly has an advisory role in choosing the new manager.
5. Howe worked with Venables a leading candidate for the job.
6. Howe advised England to appoint Venables as assistant to Capello.
7. Givens is the current Ireland under 21's manager and his future is directly linked to the appontment of a new manager.
8. Givens played alongside Venables and Brady both leading candidates for the job.

No conflict of interest there.

You forgot that Givens worked with Hodgson in Switzerland.

I don't think they did. eekers was mistaken on that one.

ok sorry about that but I am sure he knows about him.

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

You forgot that Givens worked with Hodgson in Switzerland.

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I don't think he did. According to this - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...nd/3180626.stm - Givens coached there until 1989

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Givens played for the final eight years of his career at Neuchatel Xamax, and when he retired in 1987 he went on to coach the club for two years.

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According to Hodgson's wikipedia profile - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Hodgson - he didn't take over there until 1990, quite possibly replacing Givens

Javier Clemente or Co Adriaanse would be the best bets along with maybe Roy Hodgson

I was amused to hear Lawrenson call Martin O'Neill "half English" on the Last Word when he was commentating on the candidates for the English job.

As for the Irish job, I am not sure the Panel of 3 would continue with the interviewing process if they believed that Vegetables was already chosen. As ever with the FAI, there are lots of "leaks" and no one really has a clue what's going on.

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Originally Posted by OwlsFan

As for the Irish job, I am not sure the Panel of 3 would continue with the interviewing process if they believed that Vegetables was already chosen. As ever with the FAI, there are lots of "leaks" and no one really has a clue what's going on.

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Owlsfan stuns soccerc as we agree on something! :D

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Originally Posted by OwlsFan

if they believed that Vegetables was already chosen. As ever with the FAI, there are lots of "leaks"

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Did you mean "leeks"?

Can anyone on here confirm that Brady is applying for the job with Giles as his assistant/consulant/co-manager? I have heard this today from a few people.

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Originally Posted by gspain

I am loathe to comment until I see who we end up with but frankly I'd love to stop the process and just take the runner up for the Scotland job. He is likely to be streets ahead of whoever we pick.

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I've quoted gspain from another thread ("are FAI that bad?") but I just read that John Collins has quit his job at Hibs, fuelling speculation he may be next Scotland manager. The runner up in the Scotland job may be a better candidate than we expected.

They have an extraordinary number of home-grown credible managers:

Smith
McLeish (though I'm not convinced by him)
Moyes
Strachan
Davies
Sir Alex
Dalglish
Souness
Davies
Burley
Graham

and quite a few more

I know that this has already been mentioned but Philippe Troussier has just joined FC Ryukyu.

For those who don't know, and I'm guessing that's everybody, FC Ryukyu play in the Japan Football League (JFL), which is the third tier of Japanese football, below J1 and J2.

To compare standards, 2 seasons ago I was a regular at the home games of Matsumoto Yamaga, who were promoted to the JFL at the end of the season (from a regional league). They went on to a respectable finish the next season in the JFL, so I'm estimating that they and FC Ryukyu would be of similar standards. And I can confidently say that the standard was much, much worse than anything I ever saw in LOI football.

Lucky we passed on him.

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Originally Posted by osarusan

I know that this has already been mentioned but Philippe Troussier has just joined FC Ryukyu.

For those who don't know, and I'm guessing that's everybody, FC Ryukyu play in the Japan Football League (JFL), which is the third tier of Japanese football, below J1 and J2.

To compare standards, 2 seasons ago I was a regular at the home games of Matsumoto Yamaga, who were promoted to the JFL at the end of the season (from a regional league). They went on to a respectable finish the next season in the JFL, so I'm estimating that they and FC Ryukyu would be of similar standards. And I can confidently say that the standard was much, much worse than anything I ever saw in LOI football.

Lucky we passed on him.

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I can already see the headline when Philippe fails. Tokyo Sun screams

"Fc ryUKYU Troussier"

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

I The runner up in the Scotland job may be a better candidate than we expected.

They have an extraordinary number of home-grown credible managers:

Smith
McLeish (though I'm not convinced by him)
Moyes
Strachan
Davies
Sir Alex
Dalglish
Souness
Davies
Burley
Graham
and quite a few more

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Working and well paid - Smith, Burley, Sir Alex, Strachan, Moyes, McLeish.

Available - Davies, Dalglish? Souness, Graham?

I don´t think a runner up from the available list would rattle your cage enough to even open one eye

No, those "available" wouldn't excite but it's worth pointing out the number of mangers they have in good jobs, or who had solid reputations from past jobs

Lawrie Sanchez anyone?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot...am/7155545.stm

Sanchez would be a very credible appointment ... 100 times more so than that waster Venables!

bhs

not only would sanchez be credible but it would be fun !!

What has Sanchez achieved as a manager? Nothing. And he looks like one of the Kray twins!

I think he looks a bit like Eamon de Valera.

He did a good job with NI but what he brought to that job from what I could see - organisation & motivation - is the minimum requirement for us. I'm not sure he can bring much more than this. He's a lot better than what we had, but I think there's a lot better out there.

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Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar

I can already see the headline when Philippe fails. Tokyo Sun screams

"Fc ryUKYU Troussier"

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Troussier quoted as follows:

“FC Ryukyu ended at 17th among 18 teams. There is no lower place."

eh, what about 18th?

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

He did a good job with NI but what he brought to that job from what I could see - organisation & motivation - is the minimum requirement for us. I'm not sure he can bring much more than this. He's a lot better than what we had, but I think there's a lot better out there.

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Hindsight and all that but if he'd stayed there NI would, at the very least, have come a lot closer to qualifying for Euro 2008 (allowing for the disasters of Worthington's early away games) - his reputation would be huge and he probably could have got one of the jobs that recently became available in England, maybe even get a job in Spain if he wanted to go down that route.

Nah!! He has dirtied his bib... One might even say he's a 'Dirty Sanchez'

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Originally Posted by dr_peepee

Nah!! He has dirtied his bib... One might even say he's a 'Dirty Sanchez'

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Unlikely to get the job - John Delaney has issued a statement saying he will have no truck with Lawrie. :eek:


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Just thinking that there. If greed hadn't have got the better of him, I've no doubt they would have got the results against Iceland and Latvia away which would have left them in a great position going into the last game. He still would have been in a position to take a decent low profile premiership job, whereas now he's stuck in a rut me thinks.

If we get Sanchez, the same same thing would happen to us that happened to NI? If we beat Italy and have a few good other early results, the first relegation threatened team in the 2008-09 Prem Season would come in for him and he would be off.

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Originally Posted by Metrostars

If we get Sanchez, the same same thing would happen to us that happened to NI? If we beat Italy and have a few good other early results, the first relegation threatened team in the 2008-09 Prem Season would come in for him and he would be off.

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Honestly I'd doubt he'd go back so quickly. His reputation has been badly damaged at Fulham.

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Originally Posted by bohsRap

Honestly I'd doubt he'd go back so quickly. His reputation has been badly damaged at Fulham.

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In addition, the salary we're offering is probably not much less than he'd be making at a lot of clubs.

On Drivetime Sport yesterday, they were broadcasting live from UCD in the build-up to the RTE Sports awards. Des Cahill was talking away when John Delaney and Glen Killane (RTÉ Head of Sport) walked by.

They stopped to talk about the deal they had just worked out together regarding televised matches.

Cahill jokingly asked Kilane if he'd bagged an exclusive interview with the next manager when he's appointed and Kilane said: "We might know him very well by all accounts."

Delaney, meanwhile, gave the diplomatic, pre-prepared answer on the subject ("it's out of my hands").
Does Kilane know something we don't?

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Originally Posted by JimmyP

On Drivetime Sport yesterday, they were broadcasting live from UCD in the build-up to the RTE Sports awards. Des Cahill was talking away when John Delaney and Glen Killane (RTÉ Head of Sport) walked by.

They stopped to talk about the deal they had just worked out together regarding televised matches.

Cahill jokingly asked Kilane if he'd bagged an exclusive interview with the next manager when he's appointed and Kilane said: "We might know him very well by all accounts."

Delaney, meanwhile, gave the diplomatic, pre-prepared answer on the subject ("it's out of my hands").
Does Kilane know something we don't?

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Brady as manager with Giles as some sort of advisor. I was told that last week by a few football people. Sounds overly bizarre but this is the FAI.

Surely not as they slagged the FAI and Staunton and Robson for the same sort of set up. Giles was quite scathing on the job that Robson had so I doubt he would go back on his own words that much.