Caoimhín Kelleher GK Brentford b.1998

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Originally Posted by Eirambler

Back in his natural habitat today unfortunately.

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That's disappointing

Allison again showing why Kelleher should be looking for football elsewhere,2 cracking saves….

Conceded 2 in the first half this evening,albeit behind a very makeshift defence,could have done better for both goals but one of them was a one on one he probably got unlucky with and the other he got beat on his near post from a very good strike….

Second oldest in the lineup today. That must be a really fresh team?

Hopefully a hint that he shouldn't be considering himself a prospect any more...

himself and baz are so poor at stopping long range shots. its mad. that 2nd one cant be going in.

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Originally Posted by joey B

Conceded 2 in the first half this evening,albeit behind a very makeshift defence,could have done better for both goals but one of them was a one on one he probably got unlucky with and the other he got beat on his near post from a very good strike….

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It's very harsh. He made 2 lovely saves in first half and some good punching from corners. He did great on the one on one where he got a great hand on the ball as the lad was trying to round him but it rebounded back luckily for the striker. The other goal goes in off the post. Absolutely no critics from mcmanaman or Owen on commentary actually excellent praise from mcmanaman saying he was a first choice keepers his ability and performancess

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Originally Posted by liamoo11

It's very harsh. He made 2 lovely saves in first half and some good punching from corners. He did great on the one on one where he got a great hand on the ball as the lad was trying to round him but it rebounded back luckily for the striker. The other goal goes in off the post. Absolutely no critics from mcmanaman or Owen on commentary actually excellent praise from mcmanaman saying he was a first choice keepers his ability and performancess

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Yea - I thought he had a decent game - the Liverpool defence was repeatedly cut asunder throughout the game. He was very unlucky with the first goal and for the second if a striker has time to pick a spot then it is very hard to stop it. Now - they say a goalkeeper should never get beaten at his near post - but when the striker is unchallenged, it happens. He made several good saves during the game and I thought his positioning was good throughout. The defence was far more at fault for the result than Kelleher.

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Originally Posted by Jolly Red Giant

Now - they say a goalkeeper should never get beaten at his near post - but when the striker is unchallenged, it happens.

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I actually think that's a bit of myth perpetuated by outfielders, or a cliche that only has an element of truth to it. Sure, there are the Eto' vs Almunia (CL final 2006) near post goals which should never go in but in theory a goalkeeper should (on most occasions) try to position himself to balance the risk of being beaten on either side. Sometimes it's best to close off your near post entirely but that's only when the angle is very tight.

I haven't seen Kelleher yesterday. Bazunu was nominally beaten at his near post in Amsterdam but if he had closed that gap completely, the other side was wide open. It was a cracking finish imho.

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

I actually think that's a bit of myth perpetuated by outfielders, or a cliche that only has an element of truth to it. Sure, there are the Eto' vs Almunia (CL final 2006) near post goals which should never go in but in theory a goalkeeper should (on most occasions) try to position himself to balance the risk of being beaten on either side. Sometimes it's best to close off your near post entirely but that's only when the angle is very tight.

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First time I heard it was after this goal by Steve Heighway - scroll to 3.50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6nO8hCbqG4&t=356s

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

I actually think that's a bit of myth perpetuated by outfielders, or a cliche that only has an element of truth to it. Sure, there are the Eto' vs Almunia (CL final 2006) near post goals which should never go in but in theory a goalkeeper should (on most occasions) try to position himself to balance the risk of being beaten on either side. Sometimes it's best to close off your near post entirely but that's only when the angle is very tight.

I haven't seen Kelleher yesterday. Bazunu was nominally beaten at his near post in Amsterdam but if he had closed that gap completely, the other side was wide open. It was a cracking finish imho.

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Thank you! hate that nonsense and I've fallen into myself here and there.

Comfortable night for him against West Ham,couldn’t do much for the consolation goal and distribution was good,should hopefully get at least 3 games in January with the FA Cup game at Arsenal and 2 legged semi against Fulham……

Hopefully he gets the FA Cup game. Klopp dropped him for Alisson the last two seasons when they drew PL opposition in the FA Cup.

This a very mean spirited and unnecessary dig at Kelleher by me, even if I do say so myself, but.....

Josh Keeley is going on loan from Spurs to Barnet, which means that we'll now most likely have another goalkeeper who'll have played more Senior Professional football games than Kelleher :p

We do have a good batch of goalkeepers in the pipeline - Keeley looks like he could be good - as does Cahill with Brighton.

Goalkeeper is not the problem area for Ireland.

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

This a very mean spirited and unnecessary dig at Kelleher by me, even if I do say so myself, but.....

Josh Keeley is going on loan from Spurs to Barnet, which means that we'll now most likely have another goalkeeper who'll have played more Senior Professional football games than Kelleher :p

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have a day off

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Originally Posted by Jd2793

have a day off

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On
the bench.

Poor goal to give away last night. Caspar the ghost in goals, ball went straight through him.

I’d blame VVD more than the keeper,it’s his poor header that sets the chance up in the first place,it’s also drilled from 6 yards out through VVD’s legs then,harsh on the keeper to blame him for that…..

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Originally Posted by Jd2793

have a day off

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No craic allowed?

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Originally Posted by joey B

I’d blame VVD more than the keeper,it’s his poor header that sets the chance up in the first place,it’s also drilled from 6 yards out through VVD’s legs then,harsh on the keeper to blame him for that…..

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Harsh but predictable on this forum.

Liverpool fans divided on his performance after the match (using Twitter as a metric).. some blaming Kelleher and dissing his overall ability (lots of tweets sarcastically celebrating a save he made), others blaming VVD and saying it's harsh to blame Kelleher. I don't follow much football on twitter, but jayzus I would hate to be a young player having to put up with the sh*te on social media.

I suppose it's those that can handle / ignore on the nonsense / stupidity around soccer that have the better chances of making it.

Cillian Sheridan just embraced social media like no other though. :D

I don't rate Kelleher that highly but to blame anyone but Van Dijk for that goal is madness. He's been showing signs of decline this season but the Liverpool fans will do everything to not criticise him.

Probably worth having a look at the goal I guess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgSadx9B9VA

That stupid SUBSCRIBE banner covers over Van Dijk's initial error I think, but the shot is from six yards through a defender's legs; I'm not sure how Kelleher can be blamed for that really.

Van Dijks error is well before the shot but the shot is still hit from a few yards away through a defender. Bazunu had a similar one last season I think. Very hard for a keeper to adjust that quick and Kelleher was pretty well positioned. Maybe he could have shifted slightly more towards the near post as the attacker went that way but to blame him is harsh.

It would have been one hell of a save. So ~ Hardly a big error then, if an error at all.

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Originally Posted by seanfhear

It would have been one hell of a save. So ~ Hardly a big error then, if an error at all.

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Even if Alisson, whose possibly the best keeper in the world, had managed to make that save it would have been one hell of save.

https://twitter.com/sunderlandafc11/...PMPzaAV1g&s=19

Can't see Kelleher moving on just now and potential missing out on adding another Carabao Cup to his trophy cabinet, but at least there might be some movement in the summer, finally.

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Originally Posted by Eirambler

https://twitter.com/sunderlandafc11/...PMPzaAV1g&s=19

Can't see Kelleher moving on just now and potential missing out on adding another Carabao Cup to his trophy cabinet, but at least there might be some movement in the summer, finally.

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You would think that it can't go on like this. Even if Klopp thinks that Kelleher has the potential to replace Alisson in the future, his couple of missteps and comments from Klopp on the back of them might hint a realization that he is capable but undercooked and needs games over an extended period as opposed to his intermittent stand-ins.

A sale with a buy-back option might work for everyone. If he rips it up at, say, Brentford then he's perfectly positioned to step back up.

Can't see Celtic affording him.

In fairness Kelleher is on great money with little or no jeopardy ( well unless Allison gets injured / which he tends not to do )

Kelleher is pretty much set up for life as a back up goal-keeper for Liverpool. There must be some temptation to keep taking the Liverpool money and keep getting rich !

It makes sense for Kelleher to now wait until the summer - to see the fallout from relegations, promotions and managerial changes - and Celtic could only get him on a loan deal (which won't happen).

Yes - Kelleher is on good money - but he would easily double it if he proved to be a capable PL starter.

Even a loan deal would probably be out of the reach of Celtic's wage structure

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

Even a loan deal would probably be out of the reach of Celtic's wage structure

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Probably true unless Liverpool were very generous with the terms. Celtic would be a great place to test Kellehers metal. Plenty of pressure playing for Celtic while a lot of the opposition might not be top quality.

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

Even a loan deal would probably be out of the reach of Celtic's wage structure

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Duffy claimed that Celtic were paying his full wages and a few of those online pages have Kellehers wages at 32k. Nat Philips is supposedly on double that and couldn't see Liverpool covering more than 50% of that.

I note that the Sunderland 'keeper (23) has made over 100 appearances for them. For comparison:

Senior appearances Championship Average Championship goals conceded

Bonham (30 years, 5 months) 251 52 1.13

O'Leary (27 years, 3 months) 137 87 1.57

Travers (24 years, 8 months) 82 59 1.00

Bazunu (21 years, 11 months) 142 27 1.15

Patterson (23 years, 8 months) 107 73 1.16

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

Even a loan deal would probably be out of the reach of Celtic's wage structure

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Thank God - Celtic fan here. We've enough "project" players atm.

Pretty much every Celtic signing is going to be a project or a punt of some form, that's the market the club is shopping in these days, basically the middle aisle in Lidl or Aldi.

Interesting to see how Jurgen Klopp leaving Liverpool will affect Kelleher ? !

Match of the Day had a graphic earlier with the young players at Liverpool, and their appearances
At 25, Kelleher is one of the oldest of the young players, if that makes sense, and I noticed he's the same age as Trent Alexander-Arnold. According to Wikipedia, there's a little over a month between them - Alexander-Arnold was born on 7th October 1998, Kelleher on 23rd November.
But there's a massive gulf in their experience, A-A has 298 senior appearance. Kelleher has 35.