how very zen. If I see it, does that make it true? Conversley, if I haven't seen it, is it false?Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
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how very zen. If I see it, does that make it true? Conversley, if I haven't seen it, is it false?Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
It was Vertonghen in both cases. Vertonghen's foul on Coleman was more clearcut really but either could have been given.
Mark Lawrenson wants Colemaniac to improve D:
Seamus Coleman has rightly received plenty of plaudits over the past 12 months.
But if the last few weeks have shown anything, it is that he still has work to do on the defensive side of his game.
I thought he was lucky not to concede a penalty when tangling with Tottenham Hotspur’s Jan Vertonghen on Sunday.
Old pros such as myself looked at the incident and probably thought ‘bloody hell, he has hardly touched him, that’s not a penalty’.
But the rules are different these days. It’s impossible to touch opposition players these days inside the penalty area.
Coleman has to be careful. He has been caught out a few times for penalties already this season, and that’s something he needs to eradicate from his game.
Coleman has to learn to be a nuisance in the area. He has room for improvement and it’s a case of keeping his concentration.
With every defender, there is a desperation to get the ball but you can’t always get there, and unless you are 100% sure you can then there’s always a chance you could commit a foul.
Given all that, the tangle between the same two players in the Tottenham area in the second half should have also been a penalty. But the game could have turned on that first goal.
A draw was the right result but perhaps showed Roberto Martinez’s side they still have a way to go before they can be considered top-four challengers.
I doff my cap to Tottenham for their first-half performance. They had done their homework, pressing Everton high up the pitch and aware Gareth Barry likes to come deep and play the ball through midfield.
Everton didn’t pass the ball well or keep it under pressure, and that was down to Spurs as much as Martinez’s men.
However, Tottenham created very little, and that was a positive from Everton’s point of view. Then came a role reversal in the second half, and I reckon the home side had the better chances.
Martinez has kept a somewhat settled side this season, but I wouldn’t take that as a sign those in reserve aren’t good enough.
The quality outside of the first XI at Everton has improved and what it has done has incentivised the starting line-up whereas in the past they perhaps thought they could get away with a few iffy games. That’s not the case now as numbers and quality have improved.
No just that i am more observant :PQuote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Ill point you to the thing about bookies i suggested to geysir, and then the oneill and keane post on the other thread later on that evening :D
Just got his second of the season to put Everton 2-0 up against Stoke. Haven't seen it so can't comment.
From BBC: More good work from Gerard Deulofeu, more goals for Everton. The Spaniard carries the ball down the left, angles a cross in and when Gareth Barry again gets a touch inside the area, Seamus Coleman arrives to slice a shot back across and into the top corner. There was an element of fortune about that finish, but he gave Asmir Begovic no chance all the same.
A goal is a goal, not seen it either
Watching it here. Beautiful move down the left by Everton, ball chipped back and touched on by Osman, came to Coleman who was bustling in from the right and he volleyed it off the side of his boot. Complete slice, took an age to go in.
McCarthy has been imperious too. This Everton team is a bit good. Go on the Toffees!!
Skill fully placed in the top corner
According to the reliable :wink: Independent Arsenal are after Coleman, they get their info from an Italian site who say from "British sources".
Secondo fonti inglesi, l'Everton sta tenendo d'occhio Joao Aurelio, difensore in forza al Nacional. Il giocatore è stato anche fatto osservare dal tecnico Roberto Martinez, dato che Seamus Coleman sembra destinato a prendere il posto di Sagna all'Arsenal.
According to British sources, Everton are keeping an eye Joao Aurelio, defender pursuant to Nacional. The player has also been pointed out by coach Roberto Martinez, as Seamus Coleman looks set to take the place of Sagna Arsenal.
So don't know how reliable that is.
Seamus Goalman!.....
He signed a five-and-a-half-year contract last December so Arsenal would probably have to fork out for him if interested. I can't see the alleged interest mentioned anywhere else on the net other than on this transfer gossip site: http://arsenal-news.com/wenger-wants...al-buy-2/12385Quote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
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Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger is considering Everton right-back Seamus Coleman as possible replacement for Bacary Sagna.
The 30-year-old France international has continued to deflect the north London club’s attempts to keep him and looks set to either join Paris St-Germain or Monaco leaving Wenger in search of a replacement.
The Republic of Ireland defender has been monitored by us for some time.
Coleman already is an experienced defender with more than 100 appearances for the Goodison club and often likes to attack down the right flank, given the chance.
There are better options out there
Not sure if Seamus would be keen to move either
Also a USA site are calling his goal the goal of the day!!
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/11/ever...oke-city-gifs/
http://media.joe.ie/wp-content/uploa...colemangif.gif
http://s0.thejournal.ie/media/2013/11/824922530.gif
Infectious player.
May not count for much, but top defender in Fantasy Football atm.
And I hope its never forgotten that he watched the Euros in Donegal.
Linked with Arsenal in the papers today as a replacement for Sagna if he leaves.
Big game today teams like Everton have to take points off Arsenal or they will run away with the league.
doesn't that go for every team, not just teams "like Everton"?Quote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
Maybe Tricky has Everton down as one of the title contenders.
How did Seamus and James play?
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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Well not really, certainly would not expect any team in the bottom half to take points off Arsenal.
Surprised Man City are still favourites, however their next match against Man City is make or break.
If Arsenal win they are 9 points clear of Man City and will look unstoppable, if they lose just 3 points clear
and catchable.
Obviously :)Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
With Coleman and McCarthy the sky's the limit!
As I said if Man City beat Arsenal it gives a chance to Man City Liverpool Chelsea Everton and even Spurs at 66-1.
Everton have only lost one match this season so they must have a chance.
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Originally Posted by tommy_c12000
Both played OK as did the whole team, Seamus was not too involved, a lot of play
was going down the left side, I felt they could have used Coleman more they don't
seem to pass to him though. He did have a shot which was not far off. Also he was
near the goal they conceded but there was not much he could have done about it.
Was a great equaliser from some young Spanish kid they have, there were struggling for a
goal before that.
I saw it differently. Coleman was up and down the touch line all night and saw plenty of the ball. McCarthy looked confident and did a lot of unspectacular but important work. I think both did well in an excellent team performance by Everton
Was very impressed by Everton. I think they're possibly a couple of players short of being able to dominate games against top four opposition, but for long periods tonight they bossed Arsenal. McCarthy was excellent and Coleman was good, though his passing and general control was sloppy at times. It's a pity Darron Gibson did himself a mischief.
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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Yea I suppose he was more involved than I suggested but not in an eye catching spectacular way as you say it
was more of a team performance from Everton. think it was Barkley who stood out for Everton he got a 9
on sky sports, McCarthy 8 Coleman 7
Whilst Everton has posession they didn't seem to crate good chances with it at least not until the sub came on and scored. Aresnal look a lot more dangerous going forward they cut right through the Everton defense at times but then failed to put it in the net, the except for their one goal. They hit the bar late on too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Would agree with this assessment. Would prefer McCarthy to impose himself a bit more in the end, doesnt seem to demand the ball too often but having said that certainly is growing in stature at Everton, was his best performance for them that I have seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Is Coleman the best right back in the EPL?
Seriously, why hasn't be been called up yet? Come on Hodgson, get the finger out...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ba-lhyRIMAAFdGn.png:large
Call him up Roy!
Roy Hodgson to managed England!
BTW caught the first 35 minutes only (had to go to mass) and Coleman and McCarthy were both silently effective. Everton were completely dominant in that period by the way though Barkley and Pienaar were the fulcrum of the attacking. McCarthy broke up Arsenal attacks and moved the ball on and Coleman defended very, very well (his first job) and had a couple of canters on the overlap to varying degrees of effectiveness.
Still haven't seen Gerard Deulofeu's goal. Heard it was good.
You switched off more or less exactly when Arsenal took control. They dominated from 35/40 minutes up until the half hour, then Everton took control back. I think Everton shaded possession in the end but not sure.
Deulofeu's goal was a cracker. Hit so hard the goalkeeper had no chance. It looked like it took a deflection but I suspect it just moved in the air.
Everton had 56% possession, an amazing achievement at The Emirates really. To think they probably threw away six points in their first three games also, they could really be up there challenging.
An interesting stat also, along with that 56% but 11 of Evertons 23 goals have come from loanees. THe main difference between what martinez has done and Moyes is his knack for loan signings or late signings, getting McCarthy, Delafalou and Barry in near the window, and giving barkley and oviedo their chances has been key. Martinez always had Wigan performing well against the big teams it was the smaller ones around the lower half that were the problem. He still seems to have that problem, they drew with Palace 0-0 when you would really have expected them to pick up the full 3 points.
I think they will trail off towards the latter half but christmas will be a big test with the size of their squad and the quality of the bench that they have.
Not to mention that Lukaku fella!Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Martinez's overall record against top 6 teams is probably average for a bottom 1/3 club like Wigan. At the end of 2011 /12 season, Wigan had two big crucial winning performances against Man U and away at Arsenal, those games might have coloured your perception. Apart from those 2 games, Wigan usually got humped by the top teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
I wasn't speaking only in terms of the Premiership.
I remember them coming from two down to beat Arsenal 3-2 late some other season as well and often got a result off Liverpool. For a team that were often in the bottom three for the majority of the season, I think they were more capable than most of performing against the big boys. They did take a fair few hidings in their time also though and had a terrible record against United bar that one crucial win.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
The Cup Final win was brilliant, but your statement still doesn't cut the mustard, not by a long shot. Wigan got regularly tanked by the big teams in the EPL. In 3 seasons against the top 6, played 36 W 5 D 6 L25.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
It's an okay record but would it surprise you to be informed that Wolves who finished below Wigan 2010/11, have a much better record against the top 6 teams in that season?
Wolves W4 D1 Wigan w1 d4. Sunderland had a better record than them in 2012/13. Only in one season did Wigan have a slightly better record than their closest team in the table.
I don't think you have offered an example of Martinez's strengths as a manager, well naturally, seeing as your example is not supported -- cough ... cough - in the real world .
In the 2011/12 season where he won those big games against Man U and Arsenal to survive, his team were muck around end of December/January. They couldn't play the football he wanted them to play, they were doomed, no hope. He persisted (supportive board) and got them back on track in February. IMO, his crowning glory as a manager at Wigan came late in that season, was still playing their game in the most pressurised of situations against Arsenal & Man U, and prevailing. He probably could have managed to keep them up in the last season, but I'd say the cup run took its toll. He has a much better squad now to work with, I can see him staying in the top 6.