Martin O'Neill and Roy Keane

The question for us is not his managerial acumen. We have him as an assistant and it's a curious combination, him and O'Neill and Ireland.
He's only in the door a few months, we haven't yet have had a game in anger and he's looking for another job or at very least putting himself forward.
He's probably there or thereabouts, the highest paid intl assistant manager in the history of the game.
At the very least, this is fickle and demonstrates a serious lack of commitment to the job at hand, 'Oh I'll be your assistant manager until a better offer comes, or if a better offer comes I will pursue it publicly' , 'I'll do what I feel like doing'.
Well that's maybe the Roy Keane way and maybe some here think it's acceptable or tolerable behaviour, I don't.

Nicely summarised geysir, on fire there recently with a few posts...I like.

I'd be reasonably sure Tardelli was on more money than Keane is getting.

Tardelli was on ca Eur 614,500 p/a when Trap was on Eur 1.7m p/a , which (must have) made him the highest paid backroom boy in Intl football.
Those salaries were cut back a bit in 2012.

Regardless, Tardellii's no longer employed and his salary no longer can be used to compare against Roy's salary, a reputed Eur 700,000.

There's only one source for it being 700k and most seem to think it's more like 500k, possibly performance-related, but you're right that it's a ridiculous sum to be spending on an assistant manager who may now leave before he's even faced a competitive game.

Would it have been as major an issue if Tardelli had left us for club management, even in advance of the first qualifier? The assistant manager role is just be glorified because it's Keane and the 'traitor' aspect is definitely going to be heightened because it's Keane! The timing wouldn't be ideal I guess but they don't really get to choose when these opportunities come along.

Keane came on board with a view to getting himself back into contention for a manager job at some stage in the future, it just happened that he may have got a very good offer much sooner than thought. The Celtic job would be very difficult for him to turn down if offered it and I wouldnt necessarily blame him if he took it.

Id much rather keep him in the Ireland set up but if he feels that he is just watching games without having much of an input into the team then he could be very tempted to be the boss again. Im not saying thats necessarily the case, but I think O'Neill did say last week that they tend to do their own thing and dont talk much?

This rubbish Ive read about some people saying that he would be walking out on his country again is absolute nonsense. He is a professional and like any good professional he is ambitious. Celtic do offer a good route back into management and if he did well there other doors would open in the future.

Im a Celtic fan and I would be happy enough to have him in charge. His management career to date has been mixed but most managers have had failures. Steve Bruce is a good example I think, he has done well at some clubs and a disaster at others but nobody wrote his career off like they have with Keane. Bruce has done very well again this season with Hull.

All in all I would much rather he stay in the Ireland set up for at least one campaign of qualifiers, he could possibly learn a lot from O'Neill in that time and be a better manager in the future for it, but if he take a job at a club as big as Celtic then I think it would be hard to blame him.... and its definitely not a case of him deserting his country or some sh1te like that!

I wouldn't be too bothered if he does go and wouldn't see the fuss about it, but can't really imagine that Celtic would be looking for hims as manager.

It's not about us missing him.
If O'Neill wanted him, it was for reasons that O'Neill valued, so now there's a gap in the plan. It's up to O'Neill to fill that gap with somebody that can really assist him.
I'd have little doubt that Keane had good value as an assistant, even I might not value him half as much at the helm.

If Keane does go, Roddy Collins is free.

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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

There's only one source for it being 700k and most seem to think it's more like 500k, possibly performance-related, but you're right that it's a ridiculous sum to be spending on an assistant manager who may now leave before he's even faced a competitive game.

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After you wrote that, I checked out a few sources for the salary, afaics most/many/at least half, of the sources go for the figure of Eur2m for the pair, 1.3m + .7m
Bonuses were on top of that total Eur2m figure, for not failing to qualify for Eur 2016.

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If Keane does go, Roddy Collins is free.

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so is Pat Dolan

That would be ideal, he's already half the players' agent. Would really cut down on his phone bill.

Kevin Kilbane could fill Roys boots on the sideline.

Fill his boots with what? red ants?

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If Keane does go, Roddy Collins is free.

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

so is Pat Dolan

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So could Stan, so what...

Keane obviously wants to go and is waiting on celtic. its very bad form and unprofessional on his part. If celtic don't go for him I'm wondering whether he should be kept on at all...don't want silly distractions coming up to major games about some.new position and Roy linked. I'm sure Martin doesn't want that either

Nah, keep him on. Virtually no club deserves him...

There is the possibility Roy could balance the two jobs. It's up to Martin and Roy. Celtic wouldn't have a problem with that and neither would the FAI.

I think the general consensus is that O'Neill would have a problem with that. I think he might be getting a bit sick of the circus that surrounds Keane.