FAI Cup 2013

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Originally Posted by fionnsci

The word law was drilled into me while training to be a ref. The laws are the ref's only friend...

[B]I jumped on the high horse alright but in relation to a general discussion about the law, not this incident. Never claimed to have seen it. Looking forward to MNS anyway.

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Bunkum.
I referred clearly and repeatedly to the incident.
What part of "what happened our there" did you not get?
Did you not reply directly to my analogy about "what happened out there" and claim it was ludicrous?
But you say you were only speaking in general? What were you smoking?
If somebody wrote, 'what happened out there was the best ever finish to a cup final', would you reply 'ludicrous, the 1958 final was much more exciting'
and then claim later that you were only speaking in general and didn't actually claim to have seen this year's cup final?

As I wrote before, it applies in general to most discussions about a game, but it appears that it applies to you especially, don't take issue with an interpretation of an incident, if you haven't seen it for yourself.
Were refs not taught that in ref school? go consult the assistants if you haven't seen the incident? Or was it the opposite, you were told you could bluff it out?

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Originally Posted by geysir

Bunkum.
I referred clearly and repeatedly to the incident.
What part of "what happened our there" did you not get?
Did you not reply directly to my analogy about "what happened out there" and claim it was ludicrous?
But you say you were only speaking in general? What were you smoking?
If somebody wrote, 'what happened out there was the best ever finish to a cup final', would you reply 'ludicrous, the 1958 final was much more exciting'
and then claim later that you were only speaking in general and didn't actually claim to have seen this year's cup final?

As I wrote before, it applies in general to most discussions about a game, but it appears that it applies to you especially, don't take issue with an interpretation of an incident, if you haven't seen it for yourself.
Were refs not taught that in ref school? go consult the assistants if you haven't seen the incident? Or was it the opposite, you were told you could bluff it out?

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We're getting bogged down in pedantics now, most definitely annoying others and clogging the thread to be honest.

This is the piece of your post I quoted:
I've never liked this free kick whistle/no whistle sham of a rule, a sneaky shot when defenders are looking at a ref guiding a wall back 10m and goalie watching the angles of the wall, why don't they just have the set rule and wait for the whistle?



And this is what I replied:

"The laws shouldn't protect the interests of a team that has committed an infringement. If you commit a foul you've disadvantaged the other team; they're entitled to reclaim that advantage."

I was speaking as generally as I could. Seriously, that's a vague, all-encompassing answer that applies generally to football and not to yesterday's match alone. Fair enough if you take exception with that or with what happened yesterday for that matter. Really no interest in disputing this much longer! Go n-éirí leat.

Congrads Sligo, i only saw the highlights to be honest but it looked like a great game. Brilliant advert for the league.

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Originally Posted by harpin

Going on about attendance, why did the FAI have Junior Cup matches scheduled for yesterday, the ones in Limerick kicked off at 2pm so only got home for the second half...idiotic but what do you expect

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My understanding is that ties are scheduled by the local district leagues at this stage of the competition. Albeit the weekend is designated by the FAI.

Therefore the gripe should be with local administrators not national (in this instance).

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Originally Posted by A face

Congrads Sligo, i only saw the highlights to be honest but it looked like a great game. Brilliant advert for the league.

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It was an excellent game.

Ref made a sh1te of it though. Not alone by allowing the second Sligo goal but then by following it up by red carding Prendergast (iirc) for dissent.

Harsh to disallow Brennan's header earlier too, minimal contact between players upper bodies with no arms used at all. Alan Keane fell over like a new born Calf!

Great game, well done Sligo, another excellent advert for the league but if I were a Drog I'd be disgusted.

Also I can see the Drogs really struggling next year, Mike Cooke has done a fantastic job. I don't know what has gone on behind the scenes but I don't see anyone replicating his performance with seriously limited resources.

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Originally Posted by galwayhoop

Harsh to disallow Brennan's header earlier too, minimal contact between players upper bodies with no arms used at all. Alan Keane fell over like a new born Calf!

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Alan Keane tends to do that.

Well done Sligo, hard luck Drogs. Mick Cooke is a miracle worker. If there are two leagues next season, Drogs will be fighting relegation.

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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

If there are two leagues next season, Drogs will be fighting relegation.

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That is a bit premature. If they keep the bulk of this years squad and recruit a decent manager, why would they be fighting relegation?

No European or Setanta Cup distractions either.

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Originally Posted by fionnsci

"The laws shouldn't protect the interests of a team that has committed an infringement. If you commit a foul you've disadvantaged the other team; they're entitled to reclaim that advantage."

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Totally agree with this. The team that was fouled should be able to take the free as quickly as they like.

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Originally Posted by White Horse

That is a bit premature. If they keep the bulk of this years squad and recruit a decent manager, why would they be fighting relegation?

No European or Setanta Cup distractions either.

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Reduced budget for a start with no Europe. Fully expecting to be in the relegation mix next season.

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Originally Posted by DaveyCakes

Totally agree with this. The team that was fouled should be able to take the free as quickly as they like.

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I also concur with the sentiment and the general rule does ensure the protection of an advantage for the team against whom the infringement ocurred. However, a substitution had caused a stop in play whilst the ref was also clearly indicating that an appropriate distance was required. For those two reasons and by my reading of the relevant legal guidelines, he should have blown his whistle to indicate that play could recommence and that the free-kick could be taken.

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

I also concur with the sentiment and the general rule does ensure the protection of an advantage for the team against whom the infringement ocurred. However, a substitution had caused a stop in play whilst the ref was also clearly indicating that an appropriate distance was required. For those two reasons and by my reading of the relevant legal guidelines, he should have blown his whistle to indicate that play could recommence and that the free-kick could be taken.

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I think it is universally accepted that the ref should have blown his whistle.

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Originally Posted by DaveyCakes

Totally agree with this. The team that was fouled should be able to take the free as quickly as they like.

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But its back to a lack of consistency from refs, more often than not they will pull back quickly taken frees.

If Dolan thinks 55k should be there he's living in a dream world.

I've been looking at the figures of the past four years. Obviously there was a big crowd in 2010, partly down to both being two of the stronger supported sides reaching their first cup final since 1994/1990 but probably more like to being the 5th fixture played at it since it re-opened.

I've gathered what I think is the crowd breakdown (feel free to correct if some of them are way out)


36,101 – 13,000 Sligo Rovers, 15,000 Shamrock Rovers. 8,000 neutral


21,662 – 12,000 Sligo Rovers, 4,500 Shelbourne. 3,000 neutral


16,117 – 7,500 Derry City, 6,500 St Patrick's Athletic. 2,000 neutral


17,573 – 11,000 Sligo Rovers, 3,500 Drogheda United. 2,000 neutral

The main problem isn't that clubs aren't bringing fans, they are but its the towns themselves which are failing to show up. I can understand a Dublin club is never going to be able to attract a massive Dublin crowd as many people will have a loyalty to another Dublin (or other LOI) club. But Drogheda as a 40k town and Derry 90k (75% nationalist) needs to be coming out to support its clubs.

Well, for a start, I'd say you completely plucked the attendance breakdown figures right out of your ar$e. There was certainly more than 3,500 Drogheda fans there yesterday to begin with.

Apparently..the FAI screwed up the printing of the medals.

https://scontent-a-mxp.xx.fbcdn.net/...10282728_n.jpg

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Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954

Well, for a start, I'd say you completely plucked the attendance breakdown figures right out of your ar$e. There was certainly more than 3,500 Drogheda fans there yesterday to begin with.

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I would agree with 3,500, they had a couple of hundred behind the goal, 2,000 in the east stand and maybe another thousand in all the other sections.

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Originally Posted by toffeejay

The main problem isn't that clubs aren't bringing fans, they are but its the towns themselves which are failing to show up. I can understand a Dublin club is never going to be able to attract a massive Dublin crowd as many people will have a loyalty to another Dublin (or other LOI) club. But Drogheda as a 40k town and Derry 90k (75% nationalist) needs to be coming out to support its clubs.

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Well, you can't just expect everyone in the towns and cities throughout Ireland to give a toss about football. Other interests, lifestyles and pastimes do indeed exist. And since when did even living in or near the same town or city as a League of Ireland football club guarantee the fostering of an affinity with said club for most self-proclaimed Irish football fans anyway? There'd be lots of football fans in Derry who wouldn't just practice indifference towards to city's football club; they'd go as far as actively mocking the club and those who engage with it.

Non-nationalists are free to support Derry too, by the way...

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Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954

Apparently..the FAI screwed up the printing of the medals.

https://scontent-a-mxp.xx.fbcdn.net/...10282728_n.jpg

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That can't be real, can it? Can it?... :doh:

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

Well, you can't just expect everyone in the towns and cities throughout Ireland to give a toss about football. Other interests, lifestyles and pastimes do indeed exist. And since when did even living in or near the same town or city as a League of Ireland football club guarantee the fostering of an affinity with said club for most self-proclaimed Irish football fans anyway? There'd be lots of football fans in Derry who wouldn't just practice indifference towards to city's football club; they'd go as far as actively mocking the club and those who engage with it.

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I think the point is that Drogs brought multiples of the current support to previous finals, not that every resident should be compelled to support the team. I don't think finals fatigue is really a good excuse either - the Setanta Cup is worth nothing compared to an FAI Cup final.

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Non-nationalists are free to support Derry too, by the way...



That can't be real, can it? Can it?... :doh:

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It's real. I heard it's just human error on one medal, but still you'd think they'd have had a contingency.

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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

It's real. I heard it's just human error on one medal, but still you'd think they'd have had a contingency.

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Nope, every medal has the same error supposedly. Seen a picture of a runners-up medal with the same mistake too.

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https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/...41271834_n.jpg

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Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954

Nope, every medal has the same error supposedly. Seen a picture of a runners-up medal with the same mistake too.

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https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/...41271834_n.jpg

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Seems I was misinformed then. That is a massive calamity on the FAI's part then and goes to show they didn't do due diligence on the company they employed to do this basic service.