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Real about what now? Ireland rejoining the UK or the likelihood of the FAI and Republic of Ireland team surviving reintegration to a larger geo-political entity? The former is about as likely as an entirely seperate, independent 32 county all-island state. The latter could happen in the event we went cap in hand back to her benevolent majesty pleading that this whole "going indie" fad had gotten right outta hand. These guys agree with me.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Yeah, right.
April 1st.was 3 weeks ago. You need to wake up to what most other sports are doing!
And WTF has the Hong Kong FA to do with anything???
Hong Kong continue to field their own football team despite being a part of the Peoples Republic of China. Same with Macau.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
So in the event of say a United Ireland state there is no reason why the two international teams or their FAs would have to merge unless they and their relative supporters specifically wanted to. I'd say an overwhelming majority of NI supporters would be against it and while it would appear a majority at least of our support would be in favour -that majority would erode pretty fast when people realised such a merger would be the end result of difficult negotiations where some sacred cows and hobby horses would meet a bloody doom. Some of the things likely to be negotiated out the window would be A na bF (nice tune ...iffy lyrics though) and our tricolour. You could also expect to be heading the other way up the M1 to watch about half our home games. Who'd like to break that news to Aviva?
Surely FIFA would have the final say in it? Are they going to yield to Northern Ireland fans? Where would the jurisdiction of this continued Northern Ireland team be in the event of united Ireland state? In the event of one state, I suspect there would be one team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie
In the event of Ireland becoming a reunified entity politically, the issues of anthem and flag would probably already be sorted and the single Ireland football team (and probably other Irish sporting bodies) would take on these I imagine. On the issue of the stadium; it wouldn't make any sense to split the home games between Belfast and Dublin unless a new 50,000 seater stadium is built in Belfast.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie
In the event of a United Ireland? that does not mean the memory of a 'Northern Ireland' can be just wiped out and allegiance automatically transferred to another entity. Same as partition in 1921 did not inflict a memory wipe out for nationalists nor automatically could impose a positive sentiment towards the new statelet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Predator
FIFA would be inclined to support an existing federation's desire to continue to exist as a separate entity.
In all likliehood the IFA would be allowed to continue to have representative teams, if they want to.
Who knows what course the path to unity will take, regardless, the IFA will not at all be under any forceful pressure from FIFA to compel them to disband.Quote:
In the event of Ireland becoming a reunified entity politically, the issues of anthem and flag would probably already be sorted and the single Ireland football team (and probably other Irish sporting bodies) would take on these I imagine. On the issue of the stadium; it wouldn't make any sense to split the home games between Belfast and Dublin unless a new 50,000 seater stadium is built in Belfast
I'm not sure how FIFA votes on that kind of thing, but I assume the home nations FAs would have 50% of the votes so would effectively block any attempt to integrate the Irish teams against the IFA's will.
Just having a guess, but I assume that the reason Hong Kong and Macau are able to preserve distinct international teams is due to the fact that they remain as separate political jurisdictions within the overall "state" or something. I don't know what the nature of any future united Ireland would be, but I assume that for the two teams to be preserved, there would have to be some visible political distinction between their respective territories. In saying that, I have heard the notion of a federal united Ireland being aired in which Stormont would maintain certain powers of governance over what is now Northern Ireland but still under the general umbrella of a united Ireland. Whether that would satisfy FIFA as being "distinct enough", I don't know.
The path blocked with a big 'no entry' sign, I think. In the foreseeable future it's about as likely as a united Scandinavia.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
It would be- not that I see it happening in the foreseeable future, as above- effectively a Republic of Ireland team complete with Soldier's song, Tricolors, fiddle-diddle and the rest. I've no interest in rugby, but do follow Irish cricket and that's bad enough. No harm to the Southern and nationalist fans, obviously we have a shared enjoyment of the game, but I'd much prefer a distinct NI team even if it was weaker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny Invincible
The latter, of course. In the same way that if I'd told you in 1994 you'd only qualify for one of the next eight tournaments I wouldn't have expected you to go off and start supporting England or Brazil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crosby 87
Keep trying to convince yourself
If it was an issue, it would be an issue for congress.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
The home nations do not have 50% of the congress vote.
They have no special voting privileges in FIFA
except they have a majority vote or veto power, as regards to any changing of the rules of the game or something to that effect.
Other than that, the 4 home nations have just one vote each in congress, same as any other association.
The IFA could apply to be downgraded to provisional member of FIFA, and in future be known as the provisional IFA.
It's, er, tricolourQuote:
Originally Posted by Gather round
Did the Nordie education system even deny its correct spelling??
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As for a 'separate' cricket team, luckily the ICU (& IRFU) aren't such paranoid bigots to suggest fragmented national sporting teams. By comparison, even the distant concept of a UI is more likely, FFS.
;)
Evidence of this is one Irish soccer team not qualifying for a Finals since 2002 and the other 'faux' one for a minimum of more than quarter of a century and counting......
We've already had that discussion;'A Nation Once Again', The Four Provinces Flag and if Aviva are that bothered, they can pay to upgrade Casement Park !Quote:
Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie
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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Chattin' with the bathroom mirror does not a discussion make. A Nation Once Again? Why the half-measures? ...why not 'The Provie Birdy' altogether? For balance sake -when we're playing in this upgraded Casement Park should we play 'Here Lies A Soldier' or 'Dollys Brae'?
I truly do not believe NI will ever make a World Cup or Euro Championship in my remaining lifetime. I am 33 and healthy as a horse.
Just my opinion.
Hmm. Clearly Amnesia and Irony are not concepts that have permeated the Limerick environs??Quote:
Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie
Though if you really want to bring up Irish nationalism/'The Struggle', in a spirit of compromise, games in Beal-feirste could also be accompanied by 'The Sash'. Even that would be more credible than their current dirge....
;)
And to be fair to the Six counties representative XI, if there's a 24 team Euros in 2016, even they should get there....
Funnily enough, I've been criticised for singing "Ireland's call" at the rugby, recieved dirty looks after people hear my Northern accent for not singing the Soldiers song (I stand, I'm quiet and I respect it, seem some can't respect my choice not to sing it) and I've heard the old "Ireland's call shouldnt be sung, it's a disgrace, only in there to appease those northern <insert expletive here>."Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
If these problems exist in Rugby, then they'd be far greatly magnified in football and I can't ever see there being an all ireland football team for a long time.
Casement Park? You're kidding right?Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Why not upgrade Windsor?
I don't know, you could call the access road to Casement, 'Irony Bypass', no?
;)
It represents two separate countries, so fragmenting into two teams makes perfect sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Come out of denial, you know it makes sense.Quote:
By comparison, even the distant concept of a UI is more likely, FFS
Aye, it's evidence that they're both mediocre. Which they'd likely remain if they merged.Quote:
Evidence of this is one Irish soccer team not qualifying for a Finals since 2002 and the other 'faux' one for a minimum of more than quarter of a century and counting......
Only if we rename it 'King William's Bridge'Quote:
Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie
I wouldn't put too much money on it, while wishing you another healthy 50 years and more. I've not expected us to qualify for any tournament while I've been watching, including the ones where we did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crosby87