FAI Cup 2013

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Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954

Pat Dolan suggesting there should be 55,000 there though was laughable.

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Only 6 countries achieved more than 55,000.

Cup Finals Attendances in Europe

1	England	86,254
2	Spain	85,000
3	France	77,000
4	Germany	75,420
5	Italy	70,000
6	Poland	64,416	(2 Legs)
7	Scotland	51,254
8	Netherlands	50,000
9	Belgium	43,000
10	Ukraine	40,003
11	Portugal	36,850
12	Croatia	32,000	(2 Legs)
13	Romania	29,343
14	Greece	28,980
15	Russia	28,000
16	Switzerland	27,290
17	Denmark	26,194
18	Norway	24,217	(2012)
19	Sweden	21,819
20	Azerbaijan	20,000
21	Turkey	18,250
22	Republic of Ireland	17,753
23	Austria	16,500
24	Serbia	15,000
25	Cyprus	13,000
26	Kazakhstan	11,500	(2012)
27	Northern Ireland	9,825
28	Albania	9,000
29	Israel	8,621
30	Bosnia and Herzegovina	7,800	(2 Legs)
31	Bulgaria	7,800
32	Slovakia	6,569
33	Belarus	6,000
34	Hungary	5,000
35	Iceland	4,318
36	Malta	4,276
37	Finland	4,032
38	Moldova	4,000
39	Montenegro	4,000
40	Estonia	3,521
41	Czech Republic	3,000
42	Georgia	3,000
43	Faroe Islands	2,884
44	Armenia	2,500
45	Lithuania	2,500
46	Luxembourg	2,353
47	Wales	1,732
48	Slovenia	1,500
49	Liechtenstein	1,300
50	Latvia	1,100
51	Andorra	500
52	San Marino	500
53	Macedonia	0

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Originally Posted by fionnsci

I'm speaking generally about not needing to blow the whistle for a free to be taken not this incident in particular. I've been couped up on a fecking bus all day, no chance to see it yet.

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Then maybe you would be advised to see it before commenting on my post and jumping on the high horse.
Just how is any defending team supposed to respond when a ref instructs them to move back 9.144m? They assume that the ref is in control and any defiance to the ref's instruction could be penalised with a yellow card or worse. I've seen it result in a penalty being awarded against the defending team.
When a good ref can't apply the free kick rule properly, then one can question the raison d'etre of the current interpretation of the rule, as in, the potential of it being fcke up, even by very good refs.

Read 'law' for 'rule' if you wish :)

Can someone please explain to me how Mick Cooke is now unemployed after coaxing that performance out of players who, on paper, are nowhere near Sligo's level?

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Originally Posted by geysir

Then maybe you would be advised to see it before commenting on my post and jumping on the high horse.
Just how is any defending team supposed to respond when a ref instructs then to move back 9.144m? They assume that the ref is in control and any defiance to the ref's instruction could be penalised with a yellow card or worse. I've seen it result in a penalty being awarded against the defending team.
When a good ref can't apply the free kick rule properly, then one can question the raison d'etre of the current interpretation of the rule, as in, the potential of it being fcke up, even by very good refs.

Read 'law' for 'rule' if you wish :)

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The word law was drilled into me while training to be a ref. The laws are the ref's only friend...

I jumped on the high horse alright but in relation to a general discussion about the law, not this incident. Never claimed to have seen it. Looking forward to MNS anyway.

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Originally Posted by LMFM

If an attempt was made to keep Cooke on would he consider it? "No. I've been treated like a leper.Onto pastures new"

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Cooke is bitterly lashing out at Drogheda United in his post match interviews.

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Originally Posted by White Horse

Cooke is bitterly lashing out at Drogheda United in his post match interviews.

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He has applied for the Derry City job

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Originally Posted by Aaron

He has applied for the Derry City job

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But Mike Newell has got it!

Great game for a neutral, super atmosphere in the Aviva. Premium was well worth it! Arrived at M Stile with light smoke around and fire alarms going off but was told not to worry about it by staff!

Great advertisement for the league, the second half more so. Felt it was a fair result on balance of play. Sligo played some lovely attacking football in the last 20 minutes, a real pleasure to watch. Really wanted another 30 minutes, but can't begrudge the finale.

Really wanted to smack some of the Sligo fans behind me giving the lineswoman dogs abuse for that disallowed Elding goal though. She was dead right, but all they cared about was her gender.

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Originally Posted by MeathDrog

I think a few lads are missing the point over the free kick. The referee failed to blow the whistle after the substition which he is required to do to restart play. He didn't do it and the free kick should have been retaken until he did so.

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Generally, there is no legal requirement obliging a referee to blow a whistle to signal a go-ahead for a team to take a free-kick; a free-kick can be taken as quickly as the awarded team wishes. There is an exception, however, when an appropriate distance is required. Indeed, a referee is also obliged to blow a whistle after a substitution has been made in order to signal the recommencement of play.

Guidelines on usage of the whistle are outlined on page 82 of the Laws of the Game 2013/2014:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/c...ps7d1b11b3.png

From what I can make out, there were two reasons for the referee to have blown his whistle. They were:

i) to indicate that the Drogheda wall's position satisfied the appropriate distance so that the free-kick could be taken. He was shepherding them back, after all, which would indicate that the wall's position was a paramount concern of his.
ii) to signal the re-starting of play after the substitution of Gaynor for Greene.

Excellent game for what I saw through hungover eyes.

Wished I had have gone.

VILE RUM!

Well done Sligo.

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Originally Posted by TheBoss

Only 6 countries achieved more than 55,000.

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But why can't Ireland be one of those countries to get over 55,000? Pat is dead right. We need to get away from the small time mentality that plagues Irish football. Sure the capacity of Lansdowne is less than 55,000, but still. Next week we'll appoint a new management team that will cost the guts of €2m per year. The total prize fund for the national league (20 teams) is about 10-15% of that. Why not invest that money into the game here instead and appoint Liam Buckley on a sensible salary? Four of the starting eleven in Germany came from the LOI before moving abroad, and that number is only going to increase. We can't be relying on English clubs to develop players anymore, they have their own problems. Will O'Neill and Keane solve the fundamental issues in Irish football? We're only delaying the inevitable and throwing good money away. Pat Dolan is a hero.

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Originally Posted by Jofspring

What is Dolan on about there? Of course you can hook the ball in the air in one motion without touching it twice, jesus.

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Dolan was talking balderdash. Even if Dolan personally thinks it's physically impossible to touch the ball just once when it's lifted like that, the rules expressly permit such an action and acknowledge it is possible. N'do clearly lifted the ball in one clean swoop regardless. In fact, he could have used two feet to lift the ball if he'd wanted.

Law 13 (on page 131) states: "A free kick can be taken by lifting the ball with a foot or both feet simultaneously."

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

Generally, there is no legal requirement obliging a referee to blow a whistle to signal a go-ahead for a team to take a free-kick; a free-kick can be taken as quickly as the awarded team wishes. There is an exception, however, when an appropriate distance is required. Indeed, a referee is also obliged to blow a whistle after a substitution has been made in order to signal the recommencement of play.

Guidelines on usage of the whistle are outlined on page 82 of the Laws of the Game 2013/2014:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/c...ps7d1b11b3.png

From what I can make out, there were two reasons for the referee to have blown his whistle. They were:

i) to indicate that the Drogheda wall's position satisfied the appropriate distance so that the free-kick could be taken. He was shepherding them back, after all, which would indicate that the wall's position was a paramount concern of his.
ii) to signal the re-starting of play after the substitution of Rusk for O'Conor.

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It was Gaynor who came on. Rusk was on earlier. Great points otherwise.

Congrats to cup specialists Rovers.

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Originally Posted by galwayhoop

It was Gaynor who came on. Rusk was on earlier. Great points otherwise.

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Sorry, yeah; my error. Corrected. :)

Back from Dublin, a great game and some entertainment for those lucky to be there. Well done to both set of fans for creating a superb atmosphere. Two great finals in a row, and large numbers of people leave the country to go and watch soccer matches. With return bus ticket for 20e and 10e to get in plus 5e for a programme (which I have not read yet) I think I got value today. Well done Sligo and hard luck Drogheda.

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Originally Posted by White Horse

Can someone please explain to me how Mick Cooke is now unemployed after coaxing that performance out of players who, on paper, are nowhere near Sligo's level?

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Because behind the scenes he is a liar and got into bed with people who want to take over the club and try to turn the new stadium into a cash cow. The same people who nearly killed the club in 2007. Despite his wonderful results the club weren't willing to gamble the future of the club like has been done so much in the past LOI clubs. Unfortunately people are so blinded by Micks public face that they cant or wont believe it is true.

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Originally Posted by CityRebel

But why can't Ireland be one of those countries to get over 55,000? Pat is dead right. We need to get away from the small time mentality that plagues Irish football. Sure the capacity of Lansdowne is less than 55,000, but still. Next week we'll appoint a new management team that will cost the guts of €2m per year. The total prize fund for the national league (20 teams) is about 10-15% of that. Why not invest that money into the game here instead and appoint Liam Buckley on a sensible salary? Four of the starting eleven in Germany came from the LOI before moving abroad, and that number is only going to increase. We can't be relying on English clubs to develop players anymore, they have their own problems. Will O'Neill and Keane solve the fundamental issues in Irish football? We're only delaying the inevitable and throwing good money away. Pat Dolan is a hero.

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Welcome to foot.ie, Pat !

Gutted.
It was a great game.
Well done Sligo.

Going on about attendance, why did the FAI have Junior Cup matches scheduled for yesterday, the ones in Limerick kicked off at 2pm so only got home for the second half...idiotic but what do you expect