What position does Green play for Derby? I've seen him play for them twice this season but I had difficulty pinpointing his role. More advanced up the pitch like?
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What position does Green play for Derby? I've seen him play for them twice this season but I had difficulty pinpointing his role. More advanced up the pitch like?
Perhaps, you need to read quotes a bit more carefully, then you might get Trap.Quote:
Originally Posted by LFCSixty/Eighty
Green said he was asked to play deeper for Ireland. Pretty much the same game but just deeper.
The only thing to really "Get" that is very easy is we dont lose games under him. I mean we really don't. Sometimes we want more but the culture is back to expecting to win. No easy task after getting smoked by Cyprus.Quote:
Originally Posted by LFCSixty/Eighty
I sometimes wish he gave more players like JM a look but the kid is only what, 19? I mean he has to earn his place. I can see Traps point. He needs to trust him before he puts him in. For whatever reason he trusts Paul Green and I guess his CV speaks for itself. I have come to the point where, If we win this group I dont care if he is slotting Ger Crossley in there.
McShane!Quote:
Originally Posted by Crosby87
He's not even 21, he's 19. Still a long, long time to establish himself.
Scotland keeping McCarthy "on the radar": http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...r-2361766.html
Dont blame them and if I were him I'd be considering it as well. For what ever reason he seems to off Trappatoni's radar at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
If I was him Id rather quit International football than consider playing for Scotland after the disgusting amount of abuse he took while playing in the SPL
McCarthy might be only 19 but he is certainly good enough to be in our squad.
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Originally Posted by Razors left peg
If he switched they'd welcome him with open arms and any abuse he took would soon be forgotten.
Im just saying if I was him I wouldnt be able to forget it. Was disgraceful what he had to go throughQuote:
Originally Posted by greendeiseboy
Watching McCarthy now against Wolves. cannot understand why he's not in the squad or Trapp's comments about him not having a regular position at Wigan. has Trapp or tardelli actually watched him play recently? We are a small country with limited playing resources, we are currently squandering too many useful options at the moment.
Id be interested to know how many premiership minutes he has played Vs Whelan, Andrews, Gibson & yer man at BirminghamQuote:
Originally Posted by third policeman
At the time of writingQuote:
Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia
Code:McCarthy 619
Whelan 236
Fahey 114
Andrews 25
Gibson 3
He's still only 19, so plenty of time for Trap to call him up. I expect him to feature against Norway and then again in the Nations Cup.
Exactly, lets just hold fire for now. The lad is only 19, I think there is a good chance Trap will include him the squad for the Norway friendly (he should anyways)
if he doesnt then we have big problems. Him reverting back to Scotland is a danger.
Green or McCarthy? Please. Its not even up for debate.
I'd rather have Green in for the next two matches because of his defensive abilities. McCarthy is the future but right now we need a central midfield that can hold and break up attacks. McCarthys is great going forward but lacks in tackling and defensive awareness, otherwise Trap would have him in the squad at least.
McCarthy is a Premiership regular whereas Green is an average Championship player. IMO Green should consider himself lucky to be in the squad.
I dont agree with that at all, Ive seen him do very well defensively in some gamesQuote:
Originally Posted by Colbert Report
Not to come off as a *****, but Trap agrees with me, and that's all that matters!Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
doesnt mean either of ye are right thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Colbert Report
Yeah, but Trap is one of the best managers in football history, so I'll have to go with his opinion. Know'm sayin'?
I do, and I agree with him on most things... but that doesnt mean hes infallibleQuote:
Originally Posted by Colbert Report
I'd be interested to know if any of the management team attended any of the games today given that they were in Dublin yesterday.
Wigan is about half an hour from Preston. In these two matches we had:
Wolves : Foley, Ward and Doyle
Wigan: McCarthy
kick off 12:45pm
Preston : StLedger, Treacy
Reading : Long and Noel Hunt (came on) (Also Ian Harte)
kick off 3:00pm
Could have taken in both games no bother
Total 9 players
Or even the Stoke v Balckburn match - takes less than an hour
I'd hazard a fair guess that none of them were at any of them.
Tardelli was at the Stoke game, does that disappoint you?Quote:
Originally Posted by greendeiseboy
No, I'd say it disappointed him tho' - considering that only Walters and Delap got any meaningful playtime and neither of them are in the squad.Quote:
Originally Posted by co. down green
But fair enough if he was there.
That's one hell of a statistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by joe_denilson
It strikes me that the player Trap was recently 'encouraging' Darron Gibson to become...bears some resemblance to the one McCarthy already is.
He's had more time than the 4 put together - but cant get in the squad - ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sullivinho
He is our most established Premiership midfielder this season. It should be a no -brainer!!
I would not be totally surprised to learn that Tardelli didn't know Walters was one of ours. I think the average poster on this site knows more about our playing resources than our international management team and the entire hierarchy of the FAI. Walters has been a much more consistent performer and Championship goal scorer than Best, Long, Folan, Sheridan (Plymouth bench warmer last season). His exclusion can only be down to sheer perversity or simple ignorance. Let's hope Tardelli took notice, as we desperately need credible striking options.Quote:
Originally Posted by co. down green
Amazing how every player thats left out of the squad suddenly becomes the saviour that we are missing.I remember a few months ago people were calling for Leon Best to start a friendly that that Trap was an idiot for picking Robbie ahead of him. Where is Best now?
Walters has 1 goal in top flight football and suddenly he becomes indispensable to us in some peoples eyes
Not the case at all - what most people on here are concerned about is that our most consistent player and potentially our best prospect at any level is being snubbed at the moment. The age, experience and system arguments dont stack up at this stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
By the time the Euro's come around James will be 21/22. By including him in squads now will give him the experience of playing at international level that is vital in these tournaments.
Anyone that thinks that including him now is not worthwhile can explain why Cunningham, Long, Sheridan and Treacy are in the squad ahead of him.
I have no doubt the FAI & the management team are aware Walters is Irish.
For what it's worth, I think Whelan is currently our best midfielder, regardless of whether he's playing. I think McCarthy is very close, but you can't say a regular at Wigan is better than a bit part player at United, or a semi-regular at Blackburn. I'd prefer McCarthy over Green myself.
I was talking about Walters, replying to the post before mine that was complaining that the management team probably dont even know who he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by greendeiseboy
I do think that McCarthy should be in the squad
Cunningham's in because we have a dearth of options at left fullQuote:
Originally Posted by greendeiseboy
Long is in as alternative to Robbie, and is also an option at right wing
Sheridan is a target man, plan B if you like
Treacy is a winger, probably 4th or 5th choice depending on whether you classify Fahey as a winger or central midfielder
McCarthy is not the squad ahead of any of these players because he plays in none of these positions
With 18 career goals to date I'm sure he's well capable of playing up front or sitting off the front two and creating chances.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
At Wigan he has a roaming midfield role and could easily adapt to the so called system that Trappatoni uses.
Yesterday he was everywhere for Wigan getting in tackles, setting up attacks etc.
Would you seriously consider playing him as a striker? I'm all for him being in the squad but Tets is right, no point sticking a square peg in a round hole.
He's played up front at Hamilton and did alright. I wouldn't have him there for us but he's well capable of putting them away.Quote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
My main point is his exclusion at the moment and the reasons behind it. He has a better chance of making the starting line up on current form in the near future if picked than Kehoe who is being deployed in a midfield role by Trappatoni.
Rightly or Wrongly, Il Trap has policies. Once the squad is in qualifier mode, the squad changes as little as possible. I'm perfectly comfortable with that. Novembers friendly is a different matter.
Here's the scenario. Trap has a week to work with the players before the biggest two games of this campaign. Without knowing the exact intricacies of a big match build up, I imagine, trying to assimilate new players into a squad, its formation, its tactics etc, is the last thing Trap wants to do. The more I think about it, the more I respect Trapattoni. He has a scenario where the squad will turn up tomorrow and every one of them(save Coleman) will know the inner workings of the squad, system, whatever. How frustrating would it be for Dunne, Duff, Keane etc, if every international meet up, began with the coaches teaching the same basics to every new member called up, especially in a competitive week.
And before anyone mentions Coleman as a precedent for a McCarthy/Walters call-up, I think Tets summised it prettly succinctly.