They whys of it don't really matter - he was not at all comparable to Kenny in the speaking-to-the-media stakes as mypost has suggested.
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They whys of it don't really matter - he was not at all comparable to Kenny in the speaking-to-the-media stakes as mypost has suggested.
He's just pulled two big wins out of the bag under pressure from everyone. Pundits, fans, former players, possibly the FAI also, who want journeymen like Allardyce and Bruce in to get us back to hoofball, or as they call it "pragmatism".Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
There's been 18 months to assess his character, and almost as many games. Whether it's good or not, won't be suddenly changed by the result in Luxembourg. Either way, we're not going to the tournament, because the players are nowhere near the standard required at this time.
He's not great in front of the cameras. And never has been from my recollection of his time at Bohs. But it doesn't actually matter that much or at all. It is just used by those with an agenda as another stick to beat him with when things don't go our way. No ole ole party times.
He cares a lot, he is passionate about his country and the potential of this team and he is likable. That matters a hell of a lot more.
I'll disagree about the importance of the Luxembourg game btw. Beating Azerbaijan and Qatar so comfortably months after unconvincing 1-1 draws against them showed definite signs of improvement, tempered by a realisation of how rubbish the two sides were this month.
If we can beat Luxembourg equally comfortably, then there's a definite pattern of improvement starting to emerge. If we struggle against them and revert to the crap we were playing just last month at home to Azerbaijan in particular, then it's an indication that maybe this we were a bit fortunate to meet bad teams on off days this month.
You don't make a decision on the back of that one game, but it's definitely part of a larger pattern in whether he should be offered a new contract.
Id agree with this tbh and I'm a big Kenny backer. I think we need a good performance against Portugal and need to beat Luxemburg to continue the momentum that has been build in last 2 games and keep the positivity going. If we dont beat Luxemburg I think there will be a cloud back over the squad going into the Nations League and there will be questions about Kennys contract all the way through the winter.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Squad announcement must be out soon? anyone know
Probably won't be until this time next week.
Scott Hogan doesn't seem to be on kennys radar. Technical question is that because Hogan is suited to a 4-5-1 or the trad -4-4-2 with Niall Quinn beside him!
I get a sense that once Kenny has taken a view on a player, he’s in no hurry to change his mind. Clark and Obafemi seem to be equally distant figures in his calculations.Hogan is a way better option than some of the strikers we are picking at the minute, many of whom are desperately short of minutes and actual goals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
Arent we all guilty of that. Everyone has their favorites and guys they dont like. Yeah as the manager he needs to be more flexible in his opinion but I havent seen Clark and Obafemi do anything to make him change his mindQuote:
Originally Posted by third policeman
Clark is playing regularly in the Premier League and can cover three positions. Obafemi has at least scored a goal or two since regaining fitness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
Just playing doesnt mean they are doing anything to change his mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by third policeman
Plays for the second worst defence in the league and could find himself looking for a new club soon with Howe coming in, and if so he'll have to drop a level imo. Also bar one game in 15/16 it's ten years since he played games in midfield. Be like claiming Ryan Manning is an option up front because he played up front.Quote:
Originally Posted by third policeman
Ciaran Clark has been playing well at a desperate, loose-cannon club. Kenny has treated him appallingly. I applaud the occasional poster here who challenges Clark's de facto sacking at the hands of a manager riding the glorious crest of one competitive victory. The post quoted above is classic fanboy Kennyism.Quote:
Originally Posted by JR89
I like Clark and should be in the squad because if Egan and Duffy get a double miss of action for whatever situación. Weve got youngsters and Doherty
Wow, Ciaran Clark is now the stick we are beating managers with!Quote:
Originally Posted by Snapshot
The only stick is his record.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Not exactly Wes or Andy Reid is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Probably played more PL games than either of them. It’s just a strange omission. What’s he done wrong? I’d still have preferred to see him coming on as a left back replacement than McClean.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
Yeah Clark is a bit of an odd one but I think we have more than enough cover there. Hes not a stand out player.Quote:
Originally Posted by third policeman
Jeff Hendrick and Robbie Brady prob have more PL games than Wes or Reid too but I know who I would rather have in the squad. I just dont think that you should be automatic just because you are in PL
Hogan scored again today
I wonder why kenny doesn't like him. If troy had his record in the championship we would be demanding him to start
[QUOTE=Diggs246;2093876]I wonder why kenny doesn't like him. If troy had his record in the championship we would be demanding him to start[/QUOTE
It’s obvious that there are certain players that Kenny favours and some who will probably have to work miracles to get into the squad. Once a player has been overlooked, it becomes increasingly difficult for the manager to change their mind, which implies they may have been wrong. It’s been a trait with Irish managers over the years, but as a small nation we really can’t afford capricious and stubborn managers. There’s a parallel tendency to make completely random selections to demonstrate their superior judgement and discernment - Horgan being a case in point.
Hogan is ten years older than Troy, of course we would demanding for a 19yr old in his second season to start. But yes I think Scott Hogan should have been considered over James Collins. If you're looking for a big man that might get you a goal you've got Will Keane that's more versatile in attack than Collins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
Collins is out and O'Dowda is inQuote:
Originally Posted by JR89
Lightweight analysis of how Chelsea line up which seems a bit relevant to us with Barry's contribution in coaching coinciding with the increased use of the same formation.
https://www.football365.com/news/opi...k-myth-chelsea
https://www.the42.ie/analysing-all-2...95168-Nov2021/ review of kennys games
Looking like an extension which covers Euro qualifying is in the offing. Fair play to him for achieving that from where he once found himself and good luck to him also, delighted for him.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/...-40765401.html
"Achieving it" - You've gotta be joking. Literally the worst manager the FAI have ever employed.Quote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
Is there any significant downside to waiting until the end of June and see how he gets on with teams deemed our level ( nation's league 4 games). It seems strange to me. If he does well then great news but if he does poorly and we have him for the euros?.i could understand if they were worried they could lose him to a club..but that isn't going to happen in this case
Downside? I guess the constant buzz of speculation about his position would continue to distract from the games.
I agree it's a little premature though. I'd have probably extended his contract to the end of the nations league. If he gets trounced in that competition, there's going to be a very expensive sacking. I would have thought avoiding that should be a higher priority than minimising the risk of losing him.
It was my understanding in similar circumstances with McCarthy (though, per Champagne Football, there was an extra level of haphazardness to that whole process) and O'Neill that doing this sort of things with contracts was at least partially down to concerns the manager could get tapped by some club after a successful campaign, so you wanted to lock them down so you'd be at least due a payoff if that happened. Is that really a concern here?
For one his contract was not running to the end of the Nations League. We are still a squad in development so while results are very important in the NL we are still building towards the next qualifiers so there has to be an element of experimentation in the NL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
We have seen that the players are fully behind him, the vast majority of fans are fully behind him. We have seen the progress that has been made in the 2nd half of this campaign.
We also have no clear candidate that people are crying out for to take over the position. With a new contract you are taking that distraction away and we can now just full focus on having a good NL campaign, which we've never done, and get ourselves in good order for the qualifiers.
It would be an absolutely crazy decision to keep Kenny unless it was guaranteed that Anthony Barry would remain also. This should form a main part of the negotiation process.
No joking here Weldy. Its a very serious business.Quote:
Originally Posted by weldoninhio
Exactly, common sense. Well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
It’s pretty easy to insert a clause saying that if we come 4th in the nation’s league that they have the right to a window where they can terminate the contract prior to the euro qualifiersQuote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
Anyone need a laugh here you go
https://m.independent.ie/sport/socce...-41151699.html
Kenny is pretty headstrong. If they gave him that deal I think he might just walk away after.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
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Originally Posted by Diggs246
I don't think so. He would be a failed manager and his options beyond LOI nil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin