It seems O'Shea and Fletcher came out for the second half without poppies. Maybe McClean had a word...
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It seems O'Shea and Fletcher came out for the second half without poppies. Maybe McClean had a word...
Also have read on Twitter (so far from confirmed) that O'Shea started the game with a poppy shirt and then came out second half with no poppy shirt. Could be balls, could be nothing - but more for the grinder anyhow.
EDIT - CD just beat me to it. Fletcher too is an interesting one. Be fascinating to see if many footballers opt out in the future.
I'm somewhat sheepishly relieved by this turn of events. I don't wear one either and James is the perfect fall guy to take the heat off me!
Was McClean getting any abuse during the game for it, does anyone know? Might have prompted a couple of other players to take theirs off in sympathy. Or maybe they just changed shirts, or the poppy was hanging off, or they weren't really that comfortable with it to begin with.
Either way, I'd be stunned if McClean made the decision himself. I'm sure his "mates" from Derry made sure he was in the dark about the real meaning and made it a simple "don't support the brits" situation. He's not the brightest is our James.
McClean might not be the brightest but growing up in Creggan means his feelings on poppies would be fairly well established without much prompting from anyone. He's also headstrong enough just to insist. If anything I could see friends such as Eugene Ferry trying to talk him down...Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Perhaps but do you think he knows it's to honour conscripted soldiers who had no choice in the matter and were sent to be slaughtered in vain to keep rich Englishmen happy? I really don't think he's the type who does nuance very well.
I'm not saying he was wrong to choose not to wear it, I just don't think he understands why.
I know youre probably being a bit tongue in cheek but If that's the type of stuff they're discussing at half-time, it's really no wonder they lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
There's a fine line between bravery and foolishness. I know what side of the line this falls on for me. Sorry, no offence intended. But know your audience and pick your battles, James...Quote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
This poppy nonsense was going to get to a critical level eventually - sorry to say but the UK PC brigade are disappearing up their own hole inch by inch year on year in this regard and others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Soon we'll be living in a Demolition Man society if we continue to follow these pencil pushers - RANT OVER:devil::devil::devil:
He might not understand your reasons but I'm sure he has his own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Anyway, why should anybody have to explain why they don't wear a Poppy, or Easter Lily, or not support St,V de P or Oxfam.
He doesn't seem the brightest chap going but I'm sure he knows what the British army did in his neighbourhood on bloody Sunday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
But, nuance, no, that doesn't seem to be in his game this year.
I understand what you're saying, but James wouldn't need prompting to come to that conclusion. That reasoning would be the general feeling in Creggan and large parts of Derry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Whether he understands fully or not the origin, I think he understands the stigma surrounding it and, for me, that's enough given how abstract the poppy's become.
Maybe he's looking to go into politics in a few years, it's only a matter of time before the Shinners are in government and they'll need pin up candidates.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
{This is my entry for off-topic post of the year}
Demolition Man is hilarious. I'll be rooting for plucky underdogs Supermacs when the Franchise Wars hit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grafter
Fair point but we'll respectively disagree on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Again Twitter talk, but apparently McClean wore a poppy on his post match suit. That matches him up with O'Neill so.
If he was smart he'd go on twitter and say that he'd planned to remember the war dead on National Day of Commemoration in July :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
anybody who draws a conclusion that what the poppy stood for and where the money goes and someone from derry wearing a poppy is more than a little naive and ignorant.
he chose to play in the premier league, he didnt join the marines.
Why would a foreigner wear something in commemoration of a foreign army which in the past fought against his country? Perhaps some wish to out of respect for the country they're playing in but there should be no pressure on them to do so, the british are really strange about this poppy business.
btw odriscoll didnt wear one in the rugby coverage and wood did?
any ideas why that was?i have one.
All very interesting this poppy wearing lark, wil be interesting to see if MOTD notices a non-poppy wears.
I notice Sir Alex had a rather ambiguous mini-poppy.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...=feeds-newsxml
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McClean still getting dog's abuse on the Sunderland forum, much of it explicitly anti-Irish in tone.
That doesn't mean anything. They sell the poppy lapel badges in the same boxes as the normal ones. Also, SIR Alex is a proud Brit.Quote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
he needs some big performances quickly.he is very lucky oneill is his manager.
maith an fear james.
One of the worst things when I was living in Britain was this poppy fascism, its mad. I could travel around large parts of west London and not see a poppy at all (Hounslow, West Drayton, and southhall) yet on the box everyone has to wear a poppy. Who cares, jeez
The UEFA site have him down as Scottish.Quote:
Originally Posted by boovidge
O'Driscoll and one of the other pundits (Rob Kearney?) didn't wear the poppy. Considering it appears that every other BBC presenter and guest wears the poppy, that it's (almost) official BBC policy to wear the poppy, was there any rumpus raised about that action? Did anybody ask them for their reasons? Is it assumed that because they can articulate themselves that we allow them the respect of their privacy?Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
I see the Roker Report carries a sane article on the issue.
The Only "PoppyCock" Is Those Who Abuse The Freedom To Choose
wood is contracted they are not. Unfortunately i find no co-relation between those sunderland fans and the irish rugby commentators on bbc for a match that took place in Dublin. I dount those fans even knew about the Irish game...
I wasn't remotely suggesting that Sunderland fans would take note of what happens on the BBC rugby show.
Why is it that certain players are targeted for abuse?
Today there's an article in the Guardian about Neil Lennon "he has been regularly caricatured in the Scottish press as an immature hothead and a loose cannon who was somehow partly responsible for the vicissitudes he has encountered. One former Scotland international, writing in a Sunday newspaper, even suggested Lennon had brought the death threats upon himself because of his edgy demeanor. As they flock to praise him now they adopt a supercilious tone in the manner of a headmaster handing over the best-pupil prize to a classroom miscreant who has changed his ways."
Here we have similar opinions expressed about McClean not just from the press but from Irish fans as well.
More or less that he should shut up, he should wear the poppy, he hasn't the brains to have an conscious rational objection to not wearing the poppy, he brings all this vicissitude upon himself, he is a moron.
In the same way that every Brit's profile has the flag of their constituent part of the UK?Quote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
Whatever the poppy stood for in the past has been long on the wane.
Sadly now it's been exploited by the Brit.establishment purely for propaganda reasons.
Not that there's any logic now in commemorating any of their forces who've died since 1945 anyway...
Interesting article which I came across on twitter
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...d-6257416.html
Yeah Im sure thats why he wasnt wearing it, he is clearly a keen student of modern history!Quote:
Originally Posted by JGKyne
Look he doesnt have to wear one at home but hes playing in England, happy to take the money so he should adopt local practices.
By doing this he has made a very active specific point that he has an issue with the vast majority of the people in the country where he works. If this is his view he needs to move back to Ireland or to another country.
But he is a moron.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Your opinion CD.
He may think likewise?
;)
Complete nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by cavan_fan
Besides the fact that everyone in Britain has the freedom of choice on this matter, including many British/English people who don't wear one or fall for this propaganda, it's not as if every ethnic group adapts local practices of their host countries in very many instances...
But that's nonsense. Walk around the streets of London, see how many are wearing poppies - maybe 50 per cent. Walk around Liverpool - even less. Regardless of where he works, he doesn't have to adopt anything he doesn't feel comfortable with. Poppy wearing is, and should be voluntary. That 'happy to take the money' point is crazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by cavan_fan
If he's happy enough to take their money then he should be happy enough to speak in an English accent. Sick of people moving and not adopting the local practices.
More of that military poppy crap before today's games. Some old soldiers in uniform shaking hands with the players before kickoff.
I'm sure that the soldier shaking John Terry's hand was thinking that paying a scumbag racist hundreds of thousands of pounds to kick a ball around was the kind of future he and his mates fought and often died for.
At its heart hes not wearing one because he doesnt like the British. I dont object to this but if he feels like that he should live somewhere else. This is not a personal thing, he wasnt walking around the streets. He was as far as I am aware the only premiership player yesterday who decided to do this (including Ashkan Dejagah from Iran). In conjunction with his previous statements its hard to avoid the idea that he just doesnt like Britain. Thats not an issue but its a bit rich to then work there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Hears an idea, dont watch English football on an English TV channel then.