Eligibility proposal

Is a Fleming less than 100% Flemish because he is also Dutch?

Blanche, I assume you meant Belgian rather than Dutch?

Talking of which, the GAWA have a mini-trip over there before Xmas. U-23/ Irish League selection, in Tournai on Tuesday 11 December. Our hosts here set the early pace with a win over Slovakia earlier this month.

the Winsdor faithful who have an anthem which is the same as England

Er, no. It's the same as Britain. OK, so England (sometimes) share it. I'm no fan of it, but you're wrong to suggest anthems aren't shared (see Liechtenstein referred above). Deutschland uber alles is a Croat folk song and all.

we should promote where possible the use of the language

Agreed. We do, actually.

it was restricted from this country by force many many moon's ago

Aye, centuries ago. We've moved on since (a lot in the last generation, Irish educationalists and government arguably didn't do a great job boosting the language before that). Not a party political point- they all meant well, but most 17-18 years I met at Uni in Dublin could barely speak a sentence.

Personally and its only IMO, i would hate to have the same national anthem as another country, but anyway each to their own. If it is for Britian then why do the Scots and Welsh not sing it?

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Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er

Scotland is in Britain. Northern Ireland is not as you've already agreed.

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Not all of it is. The Shetland Islands aren't, for example.

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Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er

And frankly his comment about the Irish language was purely cultural and not in the least political, it's your response that's repugnant and quite surprising to me to be honest.

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It is unacceptable to place people on a scale of Irishness because of their "cultural" views just as it is because of their "political" views.

I find it bizarre that you think it repugnant for someone to object to being placed on such a scale for his political/cultural views!

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Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er

Which may be more apt given the Queen's bloodline! :D

Your comments around the language are much appreciated and put Blanchflower to shame.

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Gather around

Ditto what Drumcondra 69er says.

Best explanation I've heard about this whole identity thing was from Trevor Ringland when asked about how he reconciled being British and playing for an 'Ireland' team.

He said something to the effect that when in Dublin with the Irish team he felt part of the Irish nation and when in Belfast going about his everyday life he felt part of the British nation. Simple!

Gibson probably just does not feel part of the British nation when in Belfast and that should be respected.

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Originally Posted by janeymac

Only chauvinistic and nasty if you can't answer the question.

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No - the question itself is chauvinistic and nasty if it is to be used to place someone on a scale of Irishness: "he's more Irish than she is because of his views about the Irish language; he's not Irish at all because of his views on the Irish language".

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Originally Posted by janeymac

Personally, I'm no Irish language fanatic and barely speak it, but I do respect the fact that it is an important aspect of Irish cultural heritage.

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So do I, but that does not make me any more Irish than someone who disagrees.

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Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er

Your comments around the language are much appreciated and put Blanchflower to shame.

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And why do gather round's comments on the Irish language put me to shame?

Because of your prejudiced assumptions as to my own views about the Irish language?

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Originally Posted by Gather round

Blanche, I assume you meant Belgian rather than Dutch?

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Indeed I did!:o

If it is for Britian then why do the Scots and Welsh not sing it?

They don't like it?

I mean, I think it's on the way out. Many in England don't like it either.

Your comments around the language are much appreciated and put Blanchflower to shame

Thanks- I don't see how Blanche is shamed, though no doubt he'll answer for himself ;)

Best explanation I've heard about this whole identity thing was from Trevor Ringland when asked about how he reconciled being British and playing for an 'Ireland' team. He said something to the effect that when in Dublin with the Irish team he felt part of the Irish nation and when in Belfast going about his everyday life he felt part of the British nation. Simple!

Simple (because he agrees with you), but not exclusive. When I lived in Dublin I didn't feel any less part of the British nation or more Irish. I have always been 100% Irish, as I said.

Gibson probably just does not feel part of the British nation when in Belfast and that should be respected

Who?

Sure, unlike some of the NI fans above I agree, let him go.

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Originally Posted by geysir

Blanchflower you were just dying with an intolerable itch to get all this stuff out of your system, given no provocation you go and create offence and invent slurs.
Your posts are cheap and nasty.

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I am not suggesting that someones's Irishness is determined by his or her political views. That is what you have done, and that is what janeymac was alluding to, and that is what any reasonable person should object to. The dangers of such attitudes should be apparent.

It is not "cheap and nasty" to object to that - it is the attitude behind the suggestions being objected to which are "cheap and nasty". You are attempting to divert attention away from the exposure of this attitude.

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Originally Posted by janeymac

Gather around

Ditto what Drumcondra 69er says.

Best explanation I've heard about this whole identity thing was from Trevor Ringland when asked about how he reconciled being British and playing for an 'Ireland' team.

He said something to the effect that when in Dublin with the Irish team he felt part of the Irish nation and when in Belfast going about his everyday life he felt part of the British nation. Simple!

Gibson probably just does not feel part of the British nation when in Belfast and that should be respected.

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That's a weirdo ffs, in Dublin he feels Irish then after a drive up the road 100miles he then feels British, you me and Irene ffs.

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Originally Posted by EalingGreen

..... I can only conclude that Lopez is desperate to compensate for the nagging fear that his having been born and brought up amongst all these Cockernees means that he is in reality somewhat less of an Irishman than those of us privileged and lucky enough to have been born and brought up in Ireland itself, in circumstances where we were free to choose our own identity, Nationality and politics, entirely as it suited us. Sad.

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Well Lopez has seems to have inherited one very strong Irish (nationalist) characteristic - and that is the patience to wear people down.:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by antrimgreen

What right thinking country has the same national athem as another country, IMO that is bloody stupid.

On the irish language chat, we should promote where possible the use of the language as it was restricted from this country by force many many moon's ago.

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Do you really believe that England is not a "right thinking country", or "bloody stupid" because they have the same National Anthem as another country? And if so, which "other country" do you mean? Northern Ireland? Liechtenstein?

Personally, I would like to see GSTQ replaced by someting peculiarly "Norn Iron", but when I was on the Kop on Saturday evening, the time it took to pipe GSTQ over the tannoy was unquestionably the only boring 90 seconds during what was otherwise the most enjoyable and exciting two hours I can remember for ages.

It didn't put me off; more to the point, it didn't put off any of the players, most notably Super Sammy Clingan - everyones Man of The Match, for his 100% effort and commitment.

As for your Irish language query, whilst interesting in its own right, I fail entirely to see what it has to do with Eligibility to represent either Irish Association (or football in general, for that matter) :confused:

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Originally Posted by Blanchflower

And why to gather round's comments on the Irish language put me to shame?

Because of your prejudiced assumptions as to my own views about the Irish language?

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Because you called a legitimite comment about the cultural relevance of the Irish language 'cheap and nasty' and part of a 'repugnant game' when it clearly wasn't.

Gather Round clearly saw the comment for what it was and responded accordingly.

I make no assumptions, prejiduced or otherwise, to your views in the real world on the Irish language and am simply responding to what you said on an internet message board.

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Originally Posted by EalingGreen

Do you really believe that England is not a "right thinking country", or "bloody stupid" because they have the same National Anthem as another country? And if so, which "other country" do you mean? Northern Ireland? Liechtenstein?

Personally, I would like to see GSTQ replaced by someting peculiarly "Norn Iron", but when I was on the Kop on Saturday evening, the time it took to pipe GSTQ over the tannoy was unquestionably the only boring 90 seconds during what was otherwise the most enjoyable and exciting two hours I can remember for ages.

It didn't put me off; more to the point, it didn't put off any of the players, most notably Super Sammy Clingan - everyones Man of The Match, for his 100% effort and commitment.

As for your Irish language query, whilst interesting in its own right, I fail entirely to see what it has to do with Eligibility to represent either Irish Association (or football in general, for that matter) :confused:

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The daily mirror gave man of the match to Healy, Clingan was definitely man of the match especially after that wonder save in the dying minutes

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Originally Posted by antrimgreen

That's a weirdo ffs, in Dublin he feels Irish then after a drive up the road 100miles he then feels British, you me and Irene ffs.

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Don't take it too literal. He was actually playing rugby for a team called Ireland, surrounded by a load of nationalists with AnaB, tricolour etc., all over the place. Politically he is a member of the UUP.

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Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er

Because you called a legitimite comment about the cultural relevance of the Irish language 'cheap and nasty' and part of a 'repugnant game' when it clearly wasn't.

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Janeymac suggested that a question about someone's political views (i.e. views on the Irish language) might help figure out how "Irish" they are. The implications were clear - holding certain views on the language will mean that you are "more" or "less" Irish than someone with different views. Just as lopez has claimed that someone who is an Irish nationalist is "more" Irish than someone who is not. I make no apology for objecting to the subtext of that question which is, indeed, far from being "legitimate", chauvinistic and nasty.

I did not answer the question because I objected to its premise.

Gather Round clearly saw the comment for what it was and responded accordingly

I saw it as a loaded question actually. Same as Blanche.

Going to Spain, Gather round?

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Originally Posted by antrimgreen

The daily mirror gave man of the match to Healy, Clingan was definitely man of the match especially after that wonder save in the dying minutes

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The Daily Mirror is just a populist rag. Most I spoke to agree Sammy was MOTM, as was backed up by the Poll on OWC.

As it happens, Craigan or Feeney were most peoples alternative choice.

As for Healy, whilst he tried as hard as ever, he wasn't getting too much change from the big Danish defenders, who were very physical, and certainly wasn't helped by the atrocious conditions, until he produced a typical piece of magic that was quite simply unstoppable.

Going to Spain, Gather round?

Alas not. But while my effective semi-retirement from watching us coincides with excellent results, I ain't complaining ;)

My representative, Ulster Seamus reports an excellent turnout in Las Palmas where he is currently working on a suntan. The bsatard.