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Fleck? Good to see you are not basing your opinion on tabloid sensationalism.
Whats he had about 10 - 20 appearances with a couple of goals over the last couple of seasons?
But obviously he can make it a higher level.:confused:
That made me laugh....
Obviously the lack of finances in the Scottish game is manifesting itself in the quality on the pitch.
fleck has very good potential
The guy's pedigree is second to none. I remember Anto when he was 15 and was honestly one of the most sought after young players in Europe. One Christmas holidays he had Arsene Wenger and Alex Ferguson both come over to Dublin to have dinner in his house as they tried to get his signature. His quality is unquestionable, its just the fact he's an absolute pr*ck thats held him back and ruined his development as a player. Then again you can't completely blame a 16 year old kid for acting the maggot and growing up how he did, a lot of that must go down to how he was brought up by his father/agent. His return to form at Hibs suggests that he's beginning to grow up, and crucially is getting away from his father. I still think he'll go on to be a great Irish player and be Robbie's eventual successor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Junior
EDIT - whoops, were you referring to Fleck in your OP? :o
Yeah I was. I pretty much agree with the rest of your post. Stokes has been the most exciting thing in the SPL this season for me, definitely expect to see much more of him in the Irish fold in the coming months.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jicked
He may have, or he may just be another young Scot who the Sottish media pray becomes something. I just thought it was amusing that he was stuck in that post in the company of Larsson, Moravcik, Laudrup and Gascoigne, as one of the only current players in the SPL who could do something in a higher league? Based on what? a handful of good to mediocre performances and some lovely headlines.Quote:
Originally Posted by Acornvilla
You should probably re-read my post Junior, I made it quite clear "perhaps young Fleck" also the entire point of the post was to highlight the difference between the quality that was once in the SPL and what is there now. I take it that you believe McGeady and Stokes are both comparable to Brian Laudrup? If so you are posting on a subject you know nothing about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Junior
Fleck has undoubted "potential" look the word up. He has been capped at every level up to u-21 and captained the u-16 and 17 sides and he is still only 18 so to answer your question, its based on what people more qualified than you and I think of him and how much faith they have in him and also the fact that he is a regular squad member at what is one of the biggest 2 clubs in the SPL.
As for Stokes, yes it is excellent to see him doing well as he also still has enormous potential, I just hope he does not follow McGeadys example and stay in Scotland too long.
I apologise.Quote:
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OK, I apologise, Felck was obviously not the main part of your post. Of course I could see the point you are making with regards to the drop in standard of the SPL since the mid to late nineties. I could also understand why you would throw in Boruc, McGeady and Boyd as perhaps the benchmark of players who could still do better. Arguably these 3 players would fetch the best transfer fees in the SPL if sold.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkCut
I just thought it was amusing that Fleck was thrown in there. I have read more tabloid euphoria on this guy than Ive ever seen him deliver on the pitch. The league is littered with Scottish U16's, U18's, U21's - so what? Rangers have not spent money in the last 3 transfer windows, offloading anyone worth a few bob in the meantime, so it doesnt take a rocket scentist to see why one or 2 or maybe even 3 youngsters will be brought through to warm the bench or even get the odd cameo role.
Im well aware what the word 'potential' means. Perhaps in this instance it could mean 'currently not of the standard required'? and then we are back to the starting point and the drop in quality.
gets another against Ross County in the Scottish Cup
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Anthony Stokes grabs a headed goal from close range.
Scored one today to make it 16 goals in 29 league games. Not much of a description of the goal on BBC anyway:
"Anthony Stokes then shot home via a deflection"
Good to see Stokes score again, sadly Liam Miller hasn't the strength of character to make it the upper levels of football and this is as good as it gets for him.
I find it a bit strange that u continue to sing Stokes praises (rightfully) but yet u dont rate Robbie Keane, even though Robbie has gone to the same league as Stokes and has 11 goals in 11 games nowQuote:
Originally Posted by yapster
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Never said that I didn't rate Keane, I said that he doesn't produce at top clubs and will miss important sitters. Stokes has great potential and will do a job for Ireland I hope.
hes got good potential but he will never be as good as Robbie or get near Robbies goal recordQuote:
Originally Posted by yapster
Stokes won't even get close to Robbie's record. Stokes is 21 now, by the time Keane was the same age, he had six goals for his country.
we don't know yet whether he will be as good as keane or not, maybe he won't beat keane record but as long as he doesn't miss the easy important chances he will be fine....
People speculating about someone like Stokes getting near Robbie's record are just being silly. His goal record is superb relative to many of the top players in the world, never mind top Irish players (for which he has almost double the next nearest goal tally). He has more goals than the record scorers for countries like Italy and Holland who routinely produce some of the best players in the world. His record will stand for a very, very long time and someone like Anthony Stokes sure as hell isn't going to be the man to break it.
what does that even mean? "doesn't miss the easy important chances"? So if he doesn't miss the difficult important chances what will he be? Or if he misses the difficult insignificant chances then what?Quote:
Originally Posted by yapster
We know Stokes can score goals at this level. The big question is can he carry that goal scoring form to higher levels.
Can Robbie return to scoring goals at a higher level than this.
I sincerely hope that both can.
lads stokes could score 5 against andorra :) as could any of the forwards
I love this topic. I don't even see Stokes being in the squad this time next year.
writing him off like McCarthy yeah :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Colbert Report
[QUOTE=tetsujin1979;1339631]what does that even mean? "doesn't miss the easy important chances"? So if he doesn't miss the difficult important chances what will he be? Or if he misses the difficult insignificant chances then what?[/QUOTE
Go figure...
I figure that you honestly have no idea of what you're talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by yapsterGo figure...Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
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I figure you are wrong son...
stop calling people son its very patronizingQuote:
Originally Posted by yapster
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it's just a word I use a lot without any offence, just a habit.
18 goals in 31 games now this season. Got a consolation tonight off the bench.
I'd like to see how Stokes would get on with a League One club. Would twenty from forty six matches be too much to expect?
He's had a few spells with Championship sides and failed miserably.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colbert Report
True but you can't map his career based on a couple of loan spells in his teens (playing wide midfeild also). There was a time when Dave Connolly was keeping out Kevin Phillips in a Watford side at that level. But who went on to have a good career in the top flight. I've no love for Stokes if I'm honest but I wouldn't right him off as an option just yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by drummerboy
How can anyone write him off at 21 yrs of age is beyond me. Its be a great season for him, despite current standards in the SPL. Confidence should be very high, hopefully he kicks on and perhaps has another good season with Hibs and perhaps a move up the ladder after that. If he continues this form he will undoubtedly be at least a squad member for the forthcoming campaign.
A mention for Jon Daly as well who scored in the same game. I think thats 10 league goals in 19 league appearances for him this season. Playing really well in a Dundee Utd side that will more than likely finish 3rd. I appreciate at 27 he probably wont step up to anything like international standard but nonetheless good to see him performing well.
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Really? Really?Quote:
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Haha thats bad!! ill blame the Dr I must have copied him!!!!
I presume you've never made a typo..........
It's an ill doc that blows no good.Quote:
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That missing apostrophe is doing my head in, can't you fix that Junior?
Six goals is not a great amount over a playing career, one extra goal a year would be enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
The real reason he won't get close to the record is that he is not playing or indeed in the squad!!
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Originally Posted by tricky_colour
spot on...
Another goal from Stokes today.
Albeit from the spot, what I saw of the goal, wasnt a great standard. Having said that the lad deserves to be in the squad on his season form.Quote:
Originally Posted by yapster
Decent spot kick, nestled in the corner. You cant ask for much more than that.
I only seen the highlights so can't comment on his overall performance.
He did commit a horrible 2 footed challenge later in the game though. Had the referee seen it, it would surely have been a red card. Its not the first time Ive seen him showing 'attitude' on the pitch, if he can keep it in check then the fiestiness will be a great asset to his game, however its the keeping it in check that might prove troublesome!
Incidentally, Jon Daly scored a brace at the weekend. First was a keepers error that rebounded in off him (The SPL's 7000th goal). The second was a well taken right footed volley straight off a corner. I reckon he deserves his own thread at this stage:p
Stokes goal VS Rangers wins the goal of the season award in Scotland: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/scotland/8632622.stm
It's beginning to look like he's too good for the SPL, but a year or two at Celtic before moving down south would probably do him a lot of good.