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This is about the English FA but you can replace it with FAI and Mourinhio with Hodgson or Coppell or whoever.
Jose Mourinho may or may not be bluffing about his interest in taking over as England coach - but there is one simple way to find out.
The Football Association should call Mourinho's bluff. Today.
Mourinho is far and away the outstanding candidate to succeed Steve McClaren. He is also available.
And yet we have the farce of the FA canvassing luminaries such as John Toshack, Michel Platini, Franz Beckenbauer and Sir Alex Ferguson before making its move.
This is utter nonsense. Never mind "the process", just get on the phone.
No-one with a basic working knowledge of football should need to consult anyone, let alone a man who has underwhelmed with Wales, to get the gist of Mourinho's ability and achievements.
And the same applies to Fabio Capello and Martin O'Neill, who would also be excellent choices.
The FA will not be criticised if Mourinho is asked and says no.
But chief executive Brian Barwick and his cohorts will be destroyed if Mourinho is not even asked the question because they are waiting on big Tosh's carefully-crafted opinion, or there is some other inexplicable hesitation.
Mourinho has teased England about his interest, leading to understandable claims that he is using potential FA interest to land the big one at Real Madrid, Barcelona or AC Milan.
So pick up the phone or better still get on a plane.
If a journalist can find the gates to his Portuguese home, the task should not be beyond the Football Association's finest.
If Mourinho is asked and turns the offer down, the FA can move on.
If he agrees, and his huge ego might just tempt him, almost all of the FA's sins will be forgiven.
But ask him. Now.
You might have gathered from this that I would happily lead the public campaign for Mourinho to succeed McClaren. From the ridiculous to the sublime.
Mourinho is charismatic, successful and might just frighten the life out of some of the grey men we saw announcing McClaren's departure - another reason to appoint him.
He is, above all, a proven coach with or without money.
Mourinho's achievements in winning the Uefa Cup and Champions League with Porto arguably carry more weight for him to be the next England coach than his achievements with Chelsea.
And world-class players speak in awe of Mourinho as a man manager able to get big performances from his players - another perfect quality for the hit-and-run nature of international football.
Now we come to the part of the equation that will have them shaking in their suits at Soho Square.
Namely Jose's combustible personality.
In short - who cares?
What does the FA want? A Mr Nice Guy who will never ruffle feathers inside or outside Soho Square or anywhere else, or a man who might upset some along the way but offers them the best chance of success?
I know which one I would pick. And I'd bet a huge majority of the English football public agree.
The FA can stop the speculation about Mourinho's intentions, or otherwise, by simply offering him the job.
He will either take it or it will flush out his true intentions.
Mourinho would be a brilliant choice. The FA would be negligent not to make the approach.
And it should be made now.
does mourinho live back in portugal? i thought he was still in London....
in fairness chelsea are playing better and more attractive football than they have under mourinho in the last 18 months.
Yeah Mourinho lives in Portugal, some sky reporter went to his home there to interview him.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
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Originally Posted by paul_oshea
er, they're not. That's an invention of anti Mournihoites. They're playing the exact bloody same - the only time Chelsea really play top class stuf is when they're losing or they have they're very best 11 on the pitch. neither happens too often.
replace "interview him" with "beg him to be the next england manager" and you're on the money :DQuote:
Originally Posted by irishfan86
Just scanned today's Herald and foot.ie gets a dubious mention in Paul Hylands column.
Don't have direct quotes but the sites been cast among a motley crew that comprises the anti-Venebles brigade in his eyes.
Howard Kendall has applied for the job apparently and he's sounded out Peter Beardsley as his assistant.
Must be doing something right if we're in the opposite camp to that gobsh1te!Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfie
So Venables now has some competition amongst washed out has beens? I'd prefer Venables tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maroon 7
Call me cynical but is Kendall's 'interest' a way to make the 'Barrow Boy' more acceptable?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Yeah, I'd thought of that.
It's like when Ian Hislop said of Anne Widdecombe's book "totally crap, but compared to Edwina Currie's drivel it was a joy to read". The next edition had ""a joy to read" - Ian Hislop" on the cover!
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Originally Posted by soccerc
Yeah!! Expect to see Glenn Roeder, Steve Wigley and Chris Hutchins get linked to the post over the coming days!!!!!
Yeah - to create a "Beggars can't be choosers" scenario as Ealing Green might say.Quote:
Originally Posted by soccerc
Possibly. Funny thing is he's won at least twice as many trophies as Vanables and his success was in the same era. So how can the Vanables apologists in the media dismiss Kendall as a has been (which he is) while still championing their hero?Quote:
Originally Posted by soccerc
From football365.comOffer him the job NOW! Like right now... whatever the price!Quote:
Holland coach Marco van Basten has announced he will step down from the role after Euro 2008
(Think he'll probably end up at Barcelona though:()
he'd probably drop doyle and call up roy o'donovan
There was an article in one of the Swedish newspapers at the weekend ranking the wages each of the EURO 2008 coaches are paid.
Van Basten is on 1 million euros a year, Hiddink is on 1.4 million euros a year, Reinhagel is around 1 million euros a year, and Beenhakker is around 700,000 euros a year.
If Stan's annual wage of approx. 400,000 euros is used as a benchmark for what the FAI can afford, they can afford to employ the services of France's, Romania's, Switzerland's, Austra's, Croatia's, Sweden's and the Czech Republic's coach. All of these boys (perhaps not Domenech as his salary is performance related) are currently paid less that what Stan was getting.
the fai told the selectors that the minimun salary for ireland boss is 1 million euros.
i can see why van basten is quitting now
Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by eekers
I think the FAI have already made their appointment. They put in place a selection committee for cosmetic purposes only.
i got it from http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer...story49237.aspQuote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
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They are also likely to be told that a minimum annual salary of €1m will be on offer to the boss.
The Irish Times are reporting that the Korean FA have said their next manager will be Mick McCarty or Houllier.
Even if neither of them would be your choice for Ireland manager the longer the FAI delay the process the smaller the pool of potential managers becomes. They need to get their finger out unless it's already a done deal with TV:mad:
I actually dont believe that to be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
For me it has to be Kenny Dalglish.
Get him!
The FAI do love a game of charades.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
Names are coming and names are going. One name persits.
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Originally Posted by Deckydee
i really hope that comment is laced with sarcasm...
be careful what you say about dagleish he might get one of gangster mates after youQuote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Ogba
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/focus...329327,00.html
as dodgy as tel he is and hasnt done anything in football of note since the mid 90s either
FAI chief embraces Houghton
Wednesday, 5 December 2007 22:57
Football Association of Ireland chief executive John Delaney has welcomed Ray Houghton as the third member of the three-man committee tasked with selecting Steve Staunton's successor.
Delaney also insists Terry Venables has not been consulted over the vacant manager's job.
Houghton joins Under-21 boss Don Givens and former Arsenal coach Don Howe.
The trio will recommend the next manager and Delaney hopes to have his man in place before the friendly with Brazil in Croke Park on 6 February.
'I'm pleased about it. I'm pleased with Don Givens and Don Howe and I'm pleased that Ray has joined that team,' Delaney said in Dublin at the official launch of the FAI's new headquarters at the National Sports Campus.
'I'm very pleased about it and the process has now moved on. The guys will go about interviewing whoever is in their plans and their sights and I'm sure they will get about that over the coming weeks.
'I am pretty certain in my own mind that they will come back with one name. It's a matter of the chairperson of the committee of three explaining the decision behind the person they are going to recommend and I couldn't see a circumstance where that couldn't be ratified.
'It's preferable for me as chief executive that we would have a manager in place for the Brazil game, that's preferable, but I think everybody understands this time round we have got to get the right appointment and I think everyone understands that.'
Delaney was happy to speak out on the speculation that has occurred over the past month since the process began.
'I think there has been a lot of speculation and there also has been a lot of inaccuracies, it has to be accepted, over the last period,' he said.
'We've tried to go about it quietly and privately. We've met a number of people and I'm pleased that the team is now the one that we set out to put in place the night that Stephen Staunton was no longer manager of Ireland.
'We set out a process. The process is in place and we never deviated from it. There was a lot of inaccuracies and I can speak about it now because I've handed over the process if you like.
'There was never an intention to meet anyone down in South Africa and there was never any intention to meet anyone in relation to the vacant manager's job. Terry Venables was never spoken to by the FAI or by myself.'
Where is Terry Venables on the poll ?
It's ridiculous to exclude him & undermines the results.
the poll dates back to october and is irrelevantQuote:
Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia
the only way to have an accurate poll is to do a new one every week as candidates emerge and others fall by the wayside
Ok, fair enoughQuote:
Originally Posted by eekers
Come on outta that. Do you really think the advisers would play any part if the someone was picked for the job already. Thats one big charade!Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
McDonnell again in today's Indo: http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...q-1239003.html
One thing that would strike me about McDonnell's articles is that he's so vested in making sure Venables does not get the job (no bad thing) is that he's written very little about the other candidates.Quote:
The problem for Delaney is that there are certain candidates who he will be inextricably linked with if appointed and that could pose difficulties for him should they prove to be the wrong choice. And yes, that means Terry Venables
the fai are going about this in exactly the right way.Quote:
Originally Posted by bohsRap
people are having to come up with more and more left of field ways to discredit the fai. "the selectors are just pawns" "my mate in the fai told me venables has the job already" "thats not delaneys real hair"
Lets look at all our recent previous managers. Big Jack aside, how many of them had done anything before they came to us? And what have many of them done since they left us? Why, all of a sudden, do we think we should be getting someone "World Class".
Roy Hodgson does seem to be the best of what's been talked about, but I have just one question about him. Someone mentioned that his last three management jobs have been Finland, UAE and some team in Norway. Why, if he is such a great manager/coach, are these the teams he has managed. Why has he never managed the English team? If he was such a great manager/coach, why did he not get the England job ahead of Steve McClaren? Why has he never managed one of the other "bigger nations". And, when manager of Blackburn, he made a bit of a balls at that.
Anyhow, look where all our previous managers have come from:
Eoin Hand - combined the role of International Manager with that of managing Limerick.
Jack Charlton - had limit success with quite a number of teams in England, and he wasn't even the FAI's first choice. Both Bob Paisley and John Giles were favourites ahead of Jack, but they made a balls of the selection process.
Mick McCarthy - only job prior to the Ireland one was Millwall in what is now known as the Championship. Joe Kinnear was favourite to get the job at the time and McCarthy received the job on a split decision.
Brian Kerr - From the FAI's youth ranks, via St. Pat's. Again, got it on a split decision with John Delaney voting against him in favour of Bryan Robson.
Stephen Staunton - Bottle carrier with Walsall was his only experience of the dugout outside of playing.
So, in the past, our managers haven't exactly had a great track record or a great CV. What's to make people think that it will be any different this time.
Would O'Leary not be better than any/most of the above. At least he done something of note at both Leeds and Villa. Or what about Venables. At least he was managing / coaching at some capacity at International level in the last ten years. The same with Hodgson - he has been managing at International level at some level up until recently. Or Dalglish. He hasn't been doing much for the past ten years, but at least he has a CV that is better than most if not all of our previous six managers.
I don't know who we'll end up with, but if the past six appointments are anything to go by, god only knows who we could get. To tell you the truth, I'd take any one from O'Leary, Venables, Hodgson or Dalglish at this stage. But we'll probably end up with someone like Kenny Cunningham or Bryan Robson!!
The three 'kingmakers' are now likely to meet tomorrow to discuss the logistics of the interview process.
Givens expects to meet between 12 and 16 candidates but denied their was a cut-off time with which potential candidates must signal their interest.
"Well if it gets near the end of January and Jose Mourinho phones then we'll have to see him," he joked.
"But we'll start with the people who have expressed an interest in the job."
When asked if the panel would be in sole charge of the selection process, Givens was less emphatic than Delaney but suggested the FAI would ultimately ratify their candidate.
"I cant speak for the FAI but having gone off an interviewed everyone I'd be surprised if they say 'no, we don't want that'," he said.
Starting with people who have expressed an interest? That's not headhunting, that's just interviewing.
Would that include Coppell or Hodgson?
Will they approach people to see if they're interested?
The problem with a panel is that the need for consensus will drive a conservative decision. Much less likely to get a bold, imaginative appointment.
Ideally leave to one person, as long as its not whoever choose Stan.
But who chooses that person, it really is a no win situation with these things unless you get the right man, there is no perfect process and to be honest there has been an awful lot of speculation in relation to this and an awful lot of bull****. The standard fo journalism has been terrible. Only Malone, McDonnell Mackey have been pretty good on this. Not too much hyperbole and good rational debate. The Sunday papers are really terrible.
The real problem of course is that whenever someone eventually is appointed by whatever process, there will be those on here and elsewhere who won't agree with the choice or the method of selection.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia
Delaney will be criticised for either getting involved or not getting involved. The Board of Management will be criticised for either accepting or not accepting the recommendation of the selection panel or for being too easily influenced by Delaney and if in 2 years time we have not qualified to the WCF the 'I told you so' brigade will be out in force, regardless of who is appointed.
I agree, the more I read the more nervous I get!
For the Irish fan ignorance is bliss. However bad your imagination can be, I'm sure it's not as bad as the speculation we have been subjected to.