Interviewing for the Ireland job I hear.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
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Interviewing for the Ireland job I hear.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
The Good News is that he's in a gold mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
Unfortunately the Bad News is that it's an old, abandoned gold mine...
Take off Anthony Barry's mask to reveal Noel King.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
He's been through some stuffQuote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
https://i.pinimg.com/474x/8a/5d/77/8...apocalypse.jpg
Can I offer a spin on this metaphor? The FAI is the guy at the bar of the Shelbourne, looking at all the top shelf stuff and whinging that he can't afford a good Bordeaux these days. Granted, he's just been burned when he paid through the nose for a pruno that gave him the ****s, but he's maybe not looking hard enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by weldoninhio
I think Scrappy might be a better fit for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
https://i.imgur.com/5PLRMCf.png
I wondered if Scooby would be a good fit. For copyright reasons, I had to prompt with a description of the gang, which the model has interpreted a bit oddly. It seems Velma is defecating on the bench with her skirt around her ankles. Fred has aged rapidly, perhaps from watching us play in perparation for coming on as Scooby's assistant. I also don't know what's going on anotomically there: he seems to be sitting inside the bench, and his legs are disproprotionate. Daphne has come with her boots, perhaps arguing that she's the solution we're looking for at left back. And it's still better than Lennon getting the job.
Lovin the kit though (ignoring the crest obviously).
Ah glad to see Conor McGregor got a new gig!Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
If you're struggling for pints money just have another kid and your dole money will go upQuote:
Originally Posted by weldoninhio
Just stick it on the 0% interest credit card like I do.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by weldoninhio
The FAI can up the budget if they want to. This is a crucial appointment because whoever is hired should be managing us at a home Euros if they're any way remotely competent.
Attendances were mostly OK during Kenny's term, mainly out of a blind loyalty to him from a large section of the support. But even then they tailed off badly at the end. Put in an unpopular appointment on the cheap and if he doesn't get off to a flyer they'll be struggling to get 20k in there within a year.
The FAI having more money than we think is certainly a different take.
What would you propose cutting to increase the senior mgmt team budget? Maybe they could stop paying their staff.....oh wait....
They were almost liquidated. There isn't a cushion they haven't looked under. Gambling the existence of the governing body and more importantly the livelihoods of real football people in the country on tournament qualification and sponsorship deals with the squad we have....nah, not for me to be honest.
Maybe Rte would be able to give a leg up ~ ~ Plenty of money sloshing about in Rte ! ! !
Rte / FAI ~ ~ The Musical !
Add in the phone in team selection and we've got a reality tv show that would sort everything.
I think the fair point Eirrambler is making is that a good appointment, lets assume Lee Carsley, if he brings in an extra 5,000 punters a game, then that equates to over €1m in additional revenue per year. So being stingy to the point where you can't attract a good candidate does, in the end, cost the association more money. And if you're budgeting, you can factor in the increased wages or increased cost of the backroom staff with what you expect to earn from match days...Quote:
Originally Posted by ontheotherhand
The big cash cow is of course if you can get a manager capable of qualifying you for a tournament. A single unexpected tournament qualification would be enough to stabilise the FAI finances for the foreseeable future... That's why Uruguay (a country similar in size to ourselves) are prepared to pay Bielsa $4m a year (a Trappatoni type wage)
I was very critical of Stephen Kenny and regard him as little more than an amateur, but let's be realistic here. We could bring Jurgen Klopp in and he wouldn't be able to make much with our current crop. Nobody is going to pay money to watch a manager, and I doubt even Lee Carsley will be capable of getting much out of the squad.
I love this line. Comes up everytime we are looking for new manager...."sure we are crap anyway, what difference does the manager make."Quote:
Originally Posted by Colbert Report
Usually that line is said by dopes who could hardly name 5 Irish players because the dont play for Liverpool or Man Utd, but these same dopes are the first to get pi$$ed and coked up traveling to a tournament when we qualify.
Colbert, no one is saying that people pay to watch a manager, but the manager makes a big impact in how the fans support the team which in turn generates money. At the end of the O'Neill era attendances were way down in the stadium.
People forget why Kenny got his chance. We were going nowhere and we needed a reset. We could hardly even score goals at one point. Wasnt there a season where the FAI didnt have a goal of the year competition because we didnt score a goal all year. Our only way of scoring seemed to be from a set piece. Kenny didnt really lose the support of the match going fans until the very end, because most remembered how bad it had gotten before him. Our results were poor under Kenny but by bringing in young players it at least felt like we were trying something different, and we did start scoring goals in games. Towards the end he lost his bottle with that and brought back in the likes of Duffy while still trying to play out from the back and it was all just crap. Kenny had the right ideas but wasnt capable of implementing the ideas.... but the right new manager has a base to work with. An extremely young squad that has a decent amount of caps.
I know you live in Southern California, like myself, so I dont know if you have ever gone to Lansdowne. The fans have always supported a manager trying to do the right thing. They dont respond well to the likes of Trap and O'Neill saying things like "we dont have the players". Thats why towards the end of their tenures attendances were way down, in a way that never happened under Kenny. With this crop of young players we have its extremely important that the right man is appointed to help them take the steps forward we need.
If you genuinely think that we are just crap no matter who is appointed, you should probably just stick to watching Softball.
Flip side of that is how many football clubs down the years have budgeted for success and then found themselves up the creek without a paddle when it hasn't happened?Quote:
Originally Posted by elatedscum
And given we're already well down that creek thanks to Delaney, I think we have to be cautious when it comes to a budget. We have what we have. As noted, the crowds are decent anyway (the New Zealand friendly aside); a new manager won't have a huge uplift there.
I'm going out on a limb here, but Uruguay have a better chance of qualifying for tournaments than us. That ain't the same gamble at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by elatedscum
As you said "a single, unexpected tournament qualification" solves a lot. The problem there is chasing the unlikely with money we don't have. Is the risk worth the reward? Not for me. We are arguably already pushing the budget out and have been for a while. The Carlsey saga tells me we are probably already banking an attendance increases at a minimum. It fell apart due to backroom staff wage needs? IF that's true then I'd say we were in risky territory to begin with.
McCarthy would cost probably double or triple what we are rumoured to have. Does he get us to a tournament? Who else goes unpaid while we wait for it?
Pragmatism was dumped. Limited squad, historically inept manager, ridiculously naive fanbase. Klopp? His Videogate would have been very interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colbert Report
And if that "good" appointment flops, plays dirt football, is worse than Kenny results wise (probably not possible, but anything can happen), and they lose 10-15k supporters per game? Thats 3m less by your calculations. What then?Quote:
Originally Posted by elatedscum
I'm sure the FAI would be happy to offer $4m Uruguayan dollars a year to the right manager too, it's about €95k a year.
Some posters expect us to do a Leeds/Portsmouth/Rangers, and hope that it works out for us unlike how it turned out for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by ontheotherhand
Yeah, in our current situation, performance-related pay has to be a given. Offer someone ambitious a chance at good money, but only if the results are there. And yes, good candidates would snub that. We can't afford them.
Hill and FAI getting a grilling at an Oireachtas Committee this morning:: https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/oireachtas-tv/cr3-live/
I reckon the new manager will be on minimum wage, given that the suits' holiday expenses have to be paid first.
You mean "holiday pay" that's a legal requirement for every worker in the country??Quote:
Originally Posted by texidub
That'd be the one. I should have said 'the suits need to be taken care of first.' As an aside, I hate it when privileged professionals hide behind 'worker' language. Despite being meaningful in a legal sense --they do 'work'-- it's quite disingenuous, IMO. Holiday pay requirements weren't brought in to protect people on 250K+ a year...Quote:
Originally Posted by weldoninhio
I don't think there's a statutory requirement to pay untaken annual leave to an employee still in service though, which is what happened here so far as I can see.Quote:
Originally Posted by weldoninhio
If you leave employment, you get paid for untaken holidays. But if you carry forward days, then statutorily you either use them within six months of year-end or you lose them (see here). You can agree otherwise with your employer of course - which seems to be what happened here - but there's no legal requirement to pay staff still in employment for leave they haven't taken. Indeed, a company should be trying to ensure staff take their leave in full (or at least the statutory leave).
If I don't take my full holiday allocation I don't get paid for the left over days and, as far as I know, my employer is perfectly legally entitled to hold that position.Quote:
Originally Posted by weldoninhio
I’m not saying that but there’s got to be some sense in reality as to what the market expects. Someone posted the IFA’s pay of Michael O’Neill (wasn’t it £/€1.2m?) - I know his previous IFA contract was £800k a year and his Stoke contract was £1.6m a year. The fact Lee Carsley was getting as much for being a u21 manager speaks volumes… And if an extra £200-300k gets you a much better manager, it’s money you need to find…Quote:
Originally Posted by weldoninhio
What was the old phrase… if you pay peanuts, you get Peter Reid…
Which is what a lot of FAI employees are annoyed with because in their employment handbook it states that employees can't be paid in lieu for holidays not taken.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
Uruguay are paying €95k and got Bielsa.Quote:
Originally Posted by elatedscum
assuming you're joking but he's paid $4m (US dollars)Quote:
Originally Posted by weldoninhio
There being no such thing as an Uruguayan dollar...
This 'find a manager' saga - and I think the process has gone on long enough to merit that term - is a national embarrassment. Transfermarkt have a long list of available coaches. Some of them are unemployed because they aren't much good, some have never managed at a high level, some are getting rather long in the tooth. It is depressing to think that no-one vaguely suitable has approached the FAI. If it's a perception that the squad available is of poor quality, that too is depressing, but there's not a lot can be done about that in the short term. If it's because the money on offer is too little to attract decent managers, it is depressing that no organisation or company has offered to top it up. One would have thought that Ticketmaster, for example, who make money out of every international ticket sold, could contribute something. I am reminded of the proverb: 'Success has many fathers, failure is an orphan'.
Time for a national whip-round? It saved Dublin Zoo!
It's not really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demesne Lad
The FAI was Delaney's Circus ~ ~ Maybe , It's still a circus !Quote:
Originally Posted by Demesne Lad
It's unusual I guess to be without a senior manager for a long stretch, but when you consider there are no competitive fixtures til September perhaps it makes sense to wait. You would kind of think though that the later the appointment the more they can offer as they are saving x months of salary... assuming Kenny had no pay off (surely be to god he didn't) then it's been 3 months without his 550k salary and whatever his team was on. That's about 135k savings on the manager role alone.
I don't know the lengths exactly, but I've read that the searches for both Trap and MON took longerQuote:
Originally Posted by Demesne Lad
Staunton was removed from the job in October 2007, Trapattoni's first game was in May 2008, although the appointment was announced the previous February.
IMO, if the right person is appointed, then the wait to appoint them is justified. If, however, it's someone completely uninspiring, then it'll have been a waste of everyone's time
Having seen the goings on today it's hard not to think they've spent more time prepping for evasion and covering their ar$es at the Government hearing than getting on with the job of finding manager.