Reportedly it affected John Paul Kelly, if you remember that name, really badly at Liverpool
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Reportedly it affected John Paul Kelly, if you remember that name, really badly at Liverpool
Joxer was incredibly talented, potentially a generational player, but the stuff he was up to before leaving and after coming home, I don’t think any pathway was likely to save him.
Got sent home early from two trials for joyriding at United (also in the car is an ex Ireland international who I think is currently in prison) and punching a big academy star at Spurs.
At Liverpool, he got suspended for being found with serious contraband in his room in diggs. He decided to go home and not come back, despite both Rafa and Steven Gerrard intervening to try convince him to come back.
Had to wait a good while to sort his contract situation with Liverpool, then signs for Bohs at 18. Plays there from 18-21, not sure why he left but at 21, he signed for Drogheda and the manager catches him smoking weed in his car before training and his contract is cancelled.
Retires at 21 and last I heard, was driving a taxi.
Some lads take the way out of " If only the, drink / drugs / other, hadn't got me then sure maybe I could have made it "Quote:
Originally Posted by elatedscum
Anyway it's a very tough competitive " game / business " ~ ~ How many people could actually handle the pressure of it ~ ~ The dreams of yourself and maybe some of your family ~ ~ The injuries ~ ~ And then what are the actual % chances of making it, even if you have everything going for you ? !
The irony of the poster you're replying to (essentially) is possibly not lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Joxer was one of my favourite players - an incredible talent. Anyone who grew up in the part of Dublin he's from and was remotely interested in football knew the rumours, the associations he allegedly had and the consequences for those.
A waste no doubt, but even for all that, still fondly remembered.
Its not a one size fits all. It suits some to stay in LOI but that isn't necessarily the same for everyone
Roma leading chase for Ferguson ahead of Fiorentina, according to usually reliable Mike McGrath of the Telegraph. Bournemouth and Ipswich both interested too. Sounds like a few decent options there anyway for Ferguson.
i think exactly this. there are clubs better and worse for developing players in every country including Ireland. Different positions may progress better at home (centre backs and big centre forwards might be able to play first team football earlier in Ireland as opposed to your smaller players), equally different leagues abroad suit different types of players and different positions. Who is the last midfielder we have produced at an international level from LOI?Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
Also, maybe sometimes a player's natural attributes are enough to carry him one way or another. If you compare Nathan Collins and Jake O'Brien. Born 2 weeks apart, Nathan moved as 14 year old across to Stoke. He made his debut in the championship at age 17 and captianed the side at 18. Age 20, he signs for Burnley to play in the premier league for £12m. After a season at Burnley, he signs for Wolves at age 21 for just over £20m. A season later, he signs for Brentford for a club record of £23m. Nathan plays every minute for Brentford last season.
Meanwhile Jake breaks into the Cork team aged 19, he plays 9 LOI games before moving on loan to Crystal Palace (age 19). At age 20, Palace make the deal permanent. Later that season, he goes on loan to Swindon in League 2 and age 21, he goes on loan to the belgian second division. Age 22, he signs for Lyon for £1m and really succeeds there before signing for Everton age 23 for £17m raising to £22m. Jake breaks into Everton once Moyes takes over and starts 17 of the last 18 premier league games.
Both have ended up at good premier league teams, playing really well. I wonder if you'd flipped their roles around, and if Nathan stayed at home and Jake left early, if it all would have worked out the same...
He was worth the price of admission into Dalyer alone during that period. Generational talent. Far too good for the league back then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingdom
That's a really good sign if they're willing to take that much of a 'risk'. Great news all around imo
Ipswich apparently on the wings if the Roma deal doesn't work out. I'd like to see what McKenna could do for his confidence
That would be quite the downgrade from RomaQuote:
Originally Posted by rebelmusic
I still find it odd that clubs like Bournemouth and Brentford are seen as more desirable options for players these days than Lazio and Roma, but that's where we are.
Premiership money innit bruvQuote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
Done deal to Roma. Loan with option to buy for 40 Million
Will Bohemians get a cut of that transfer, when it goes through?
Option....
Was just wondering this. If so, it’ll be a nice few bob I imagineQuote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Oh it’s only a loan. Hopefully he does well and they buy him
It’s 10%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fixer82
50% to St Kevin's apparently...if he does well he would be a cheap 21 year old striker...
Pretty standard these days. Pretty much exactly the same deal as Rashford to Barcelona. If it goes well Roma will have got a bargain, if not they don't have to buy any we'll know a bit more about FergusonQuote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
In which case it sounds like Brighton have been the loser in the negotiation. If he's a success playing for a big club in a top European league, they sell him at the end of the season for less than what his value will be at that point. If he's a failure he ends up back with them with his transfer value further reduced.
If he fails he'd still only be 21. Liverpool paying 95 million for Ekitike who was crap until last season at age 23
Roma fans doing the flightradar tracking thing with his plane, which has apparently just landed in Rome Ciampino airport.
Could Evan Ferguson double-up, and do a job as Vice-Pope while he is out there !
Why don't we have a Vice-Pope anyway ? !
Because publicly, at least, the Vatican doesn't like to be seen promoting vice.
I am not even good at taking good advice !
Fantastic for Evan. Brighton really cleaning house in their attack Pedro, adingra and ferguson all goneQuote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
Got a heroes welcome in Rome. Hopefully that's a big confidence booster for him
https://m.independent.ie/sport/socce...355110169.html
Should get sponsored by Evan Water !Quote:
Originally Posted by rebelmusic
yes seems to a lot riding on the two greek teenagers they signed, unless they buy someone else. Welbeck will need to stay fit. Would enjoy watching Brighton in a relegation battle.Quote:
Originally Posted by liamoo11
Well it's pretty clear that they have gone all in on Hurzeler - its his team now. Bloom generally makes good decisions - he hit the nail on the head with Houghton - got use from Potter before he got found out (and managed to get compo from Chelsea in the process) - DeZerbi was good while he was there - but I am not convinced about Hurzeler, I think opposition coaches were figuring him out in the second half of the season. It will be interesting to see what happens next season at the club.Quote:
Originally Posted by liamoo11
Brighton have sold a lot of their players this summer for what seems like under market value. Adingra was incredibly cheap. He is a really talented and exciting winger who was excellent during Afcon and has been really impressive for Brighton. Sold for about £21m. Barco looked very good during his brief stint in the Brighton team before being sent out on loan. He was sold this summer for the same amount that they paid for him from Boca juniors. Estupinan has just agreed to join AC Milan for €17m, when you look at what Liverpool paid for Kerkez and what City paid for Ait Nouri, it seems very low for someone who was one of the better left backs in the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolly Red Giant
All a bit strange
odd alright. estupian was something of an FPL legend. i wouldn't have thought there is a FFP type reason with all the money they've made with player sales.Quote:
Originally Posted by elatedscum
Encouraged with the move after listening to James Horncastle talking about it on second captains. Thinks he will get good opportunities in an attacking team with a manger who generally gets the best out of his forwards.
Presumably this move will be announced today. I think yesterday was some kind of anniversary celebration day for Roma which is possibly why it has been held over for a day.
RTÉ morning news confirming it.
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Hints of an O'Neills Ireland jersey off the new Roma 3rd kit... nice timing with Fergusons move
Reports are that Roma are paying Ferguson's wages and €3million loan fee with an option to buy for a further €37m at the end of the season.
This an unbelievable deal for Roma. If he doesn't perform, they can send him back, if Gasperini can get him back to what he looked like he was going to be a few years ago, they'll at least double their money. At West Ham he was brought in just to give them options from the bench while with this deal, it's in Roma's interest to actually develop him. Gasperini has form for getting the best out of forward playes so hopefully this goes well for EvanQuote:
Originally Posted by Jolly Red Giant