Everton and Liverpool discussion

I really don't get why people go on about only beating the poor teams - I thought we had already had this argument during the season. There are 4 excellent teams in the Premiership and 16 others.

You'll go much further winning against the 16 than against the four. It's why Chelsea will win the league for the Abramovich years because they don't need a good manager or good tactics or impressive form to win the league. They can just steam roll over Charlton, Tottenham, West Brom at a canter over 38 games.

Against Liverpool in the CL this season and last they failed when it was put to them, against Barcelona they failed miserably and feebly when it was put to them, Charlton offered some resistance in the manner of just good form in the Carling Cup, Chelsea go out. The master tactician Mourinho put on all three subs against Newcastle and go out of the FA Cup last year. Fulham put resistance to them, Chelsea don't know how to deal with it and turn to a rabble of Terry upfront and desperate.

Yet they'll still canter to the league because over 38 games, because they'll whittle the Birminghams etc. over more often than not.

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

I think liverpool have been very good this season against the average and lowly clubs but when they have come up against the top teams they have failed. 2 defeats to Chelsea in the League. One point from Man Utd. 3 points from Liverpool.

There last 3 games have been handy games and that is why the up turn in their form. It was the same before and just after x mas that they went on a great run due to the fact that they had no hard games. The minute they had to play the top teams they went out of the Champions League and lost to Arsenal Chelsea and Man Utd.

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You see Neil, that when I point this out, I get all kinds of abuse. But I guess it's ok for you to do it, especially as you're also right.

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Originally Posted by mypost

You see Neil, that when I point this out, I get all kinds of abuse. But I guess it's ok for you to do it, especially as you're also right.

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Ermm, I've just argued it.................................AGAIN. I am sick of arguing it again and again and again - I'm sure I'm not the only one... :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by mypost

You see Neil, that when I point this out, I get all kinds of abuse. But I guess it's ok for you to do it, especially as you're also right.

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well he wasnt right....either are you so where is the problem? :D

Gerrard and Beattie will be wearing the numbers 08 on their backs tomor as both clubs back the city of culture 2008 .

Gerrard gone after mins. 1st yellow for dissent, 2nd a min later for foul on Kilbane.

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Originally Posted by Kingdom

Gerrard gone after mins. 1st yellow for dissent, 2nd a min later for foul on Kilbane.

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Tis great ha?:D. The tackle on Kilbane should have been a straight red, never mind a second yellow! Two footed tackle, nowhere near the ball.

Ah yes the bluesh*te live up to their name as usual and get spanked by a 10 men super red team!!!:D :D

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Originally Posted by sligoman

Tis great ha?:D. The tackle on Kilbane should have been a straight red, never mind a second yellow! Two footed tackle, nowhere near the ball.

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What is great? like every other scum fan you seem to comment more on a liverpool thread than on your own team :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by jockser

What is great? like every other scum fan you seem to comment more on a liverpool thread than on your own team :rolleyes:

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Cos Man U fans don't crave attention:p.

Everton had 10 men too, you failed to mention that;).

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Originally Posted by sligoman

Cos Man U fans don't crave attention

Everton had 10 men too, you failed to mention that.

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You dont crave attention yet you always comment on a liverpool everton thread!?!?:D
Everton go 2-0 down to 10 men super reds.....at one point possession was 75% to liverpool....and all before everton had some usless git sent off :D
Aonther boring liverpool game :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Dillo

It just keeps getting better and better!

Should maintain the winning streak on saturday too.

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Yes, it does keep getting better, and better. :D :) :p

Merseyside remains Merseyside.

thats 18 goals in 4 games mypost!

and how class was Alonso today!!!
Now he is a player who you can truely say is a CLASS player

Phil Neville and James Beattie in the England team, eh....?



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Form seems to remain temporary afterall..:cool:

well thats that game out of the way , it was going to be tough with out artetta on the pitch and kilbane starting ( it s like starting with 10 men ), then liverpools tactics of kick everton off the pitch coupled with hoof long balls at crouch all day plus the cheating to try to get everton players booked and sent off worked a treat ( and liverpool fans slag chelsea about being cheats and playing long balls FFS :rolleyes: )

gerrards tackle should have been a straight red same with alonso 's one when he went in with his studs up on neville . the first goal was clearly out of play from the corner allthough nevilles header was a joke . wright was totally at fault for the second made an easy chance into a simple chance by rushing out .

everton let themselves down the way they have being playing lately they should have passed them off the pitch .

the VDM red card was a joke ,again liverpool players hassling the ref and looking for a red card for a nothing clash between 2 players going for a header , there was a much worse one in the bolton game yesterday not even a free kick .

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Originally Posted by anto1208

the VDM red card was a joke ,again liverpool players hassling the ref and looking for a red card for a nothing clash between 2 players going for a header , there was a much worse one in the bolton game yesterday not even a free kick .

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there was a much worse one in the first half from garcia!

overall, as a neutral, thought liverpool easily deserved the win. everton were the better team until gerrard's stupidity. as soon as liverpool had ten men, everton didn't seem to know what to do. liverpool's defence was immense, the amount of high balls, long throws, corners etc into their box - hypia and caragher cleaned up everything.

the most annoying thing for everton fans must be that it was their mistakes that won the game for liverpool though.

ref was clueless. didn't need to book cahill for his foul, and then seemed to deciede that each and every foul deserved a card.

poor game, though kewells goal was great.

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Originally Posted by jockser

well he wasnt right....either are you so where is the problem? :D

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Well it depends on what standards Liverpool fans want. Remember this is a club that has won 18 League championships but has not won one since 1990. That is 16 years and counting. If they want to win the league they need to get more points from playing the top teams. My point was thas Liverpools problems last season were they could not get points against the average teams and played well in the big games. This season it is the opposite. Liverpools strikers have no problem scoring against very poor defences but it is against the top teams they struggle. Also Benfica beat Liverpool fair and square and won 3-0 on aggregate which is a bit of a hammering in European terms.

Again Everton felt the need to make up for lack of ability by being over physical. Crouch got battered all day pushed, shoved dragged and kicked.No complaints with the red card for Gerrard, Cahills tackle had its desired affect and was obviously a ploy to rile him early on, it worked.
Fair play to Kilbane just got up and got on with it.
I did think Van der Meydes one was harsh, maybe worthy of a yellow.
Alonso was immense and I think the 10 men helped rather than hindered Liverpool.
The better team won in the end and Moyes was right, the ref was over fussy. The Stubbs-Kewell bookings being a point in case.

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Originally Posted by anto1208

well thats that game out of the way , it was going to be tough with out artetta on the pitch and kilbane starting ( it s like starting with 10 men ), then liverpools tactics of kick everton off the pitch coupled with hoof long balls at crouch all day plus the cheating to try to get everton players booked and sent off worked a treat ( and liverpool fans slag chelsea about being cheats and playing long balls FFS )

gerrards tackle should have been a straight red same with alonso 's one when he went in with his studs up on neville . the first goal was clearly out of play from the corner allthough nevilles header was a joke . wright was totally at fault for the second made an easy chance into a simple chance by rushing out .

everton let themselves down the way they have being playing lately they should have passed them off the pitch .

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I am not going to rise to that terrible terrible post, but I would like to add that the grass was the wrong type of colour green so how could anyone expect Everton and their far superior players to win..?:eek:

I mean to break 10 men down and pass them off the pitch with substitutes like Big Dunc's silky skills, you can't have the colour of the grass go against you as well...

So many excuses made up - the way you go on about the game being over with like you have bigger fish to fry is delusional beyond usual Everton levels.

Of course you can pass through Liverpool with the likes of Ferguson, Weir, Naysmith, Hibbert and Stubbs at the heart of the Brazilian football that Everton love...whereas the likes of cheap imports such as Alonso, Kewell, Garcia, Finnan, Riise just resort to the high hoof. Of course you'd think Everton would be perfectly suited to defending against the high hoof. Even moreso, we still haven't beaten Everton 11 against 11 under Benitez so really none of the three victories out of four can really be regarded as wins.

The perfect quoite I heard from an Everton fan second hand is thus: "The Gerrard red card was terrible news for us - we had to change our gameplan"

And changing the gameplan of sitting back and sneaking it 0-1 was a bit too far for the Everton side yesterday. Even Moyes admitted that after the red card he was happy to ge this players in at half time at 0-0 because it was their "worst period" of the match...they couldn't cope with trying to be defensive and rough and having to attack at 10 men.

Oh and as for the cards issue, I think 8 yellows and 1 red compared to three yellows and one red is a bit too much of a gap to say that Liverpool kicked anything that moved and Everton were just the innocent victim of the referee.....9 cards to four - over double the amount of cards, but Everton were hard done by of course....;)


Oh well, go back to 'sneaking a European spot' - Beware though of Barcelona robbing all your silky stars - they need a left back and Naysmith surely fits the bill, Stubbs would be a perfect foil for Puyol and who needs Henry for millions when you can have big Dunc.

But please leave us hoofing and cheating teams to buy cheap imports and sell them a few months later (having not played) and go about finishing well above you.:)

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Originally Posted by razor

The better team won in the end and Moyes was right, the ref was over fussy. The Stubbs-Kewell bookings being a point in case.

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the ref was a joke there was something like 40 free kicks , i know the derby's are hard games but rarely do they spill out of controll ala utd arsenal . but the game was so start stop id be furious if id spent money to go to watch it which ever side i supported .the ref ruined what could have been a decend derby game .

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Originally Posted by anto1208

well thats that game out of the way , it was going to be tough with out artetta on the pitch and kilbane starting ( it s like starting with 10 men ), then liverpools tactics of kick everton off the pitch coupled with hoof long balls at crouch all day plus the cheating to try to get everton players booked and sent off worked a treat ( and liverpool fans slag chelsea about being cheats and playing long balls FFS :rolleyes: )

gerrards tackle should have been a straight red same with alonso 's one when he went in with his studs up on neville . the first goal was clearly out of play from the corner allthough nevilles header was a joke . wright was totally at fault for the second made an easy chance into a simple chance by rushing out .

everton let themselves down the way they have being playing lately they should have passed them off the pitch .

the VDM red card was a joke ,again liverpool players hassling the ref and looking for a red card for a nothing clash between 2 players going for a header , there was a much worse one in the bolton game yesterday not even a free kick .

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I love it :D the perfect anyalysis of the game !!!
what a load of (blue)scheite LOL

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Originally Posted by d f x-

I am not going to rise to that terrible terrible post, but I would like to add that the grass was the wrong type of colour green so how could anyone expect Everton and their far superior players to win..?:eek:

I mean to break 10 men down and pass them off the pitch with substitutes like Big Dunc's silky skills, you can't have the colour of the grass go against you as well...

So many excuses made up - the way you go on about the game being over with like you have bigger fish to fry is delusional beyond usual Everton levels.

Of course you can pass through Liverpool with the likes of Ferguson, Weir, Naysmith, Hibbert and Stubbs at the heart of the Brazilian football that Everton love...whereas the likes of cheap imports such as Alonso, Kewell, Garcia, Finnan, Riise just resort to the high hoof. Of course you'd think Everton would be perfectly suited to defending against the high hoof. Even moreso, we still haven't beaten Everton 11 against 11 under Benitez so really none of the three victories out of four can really be regarded as wins.

The perfect quoite I heard from an Everton fan second hand is thus: "The Gerrard red card was terrible news for us - we had to change our gameplan"

And changing the gameplan of sitting back and sneaking it 0-1 was a bit too far for the Everton side yesterday. Even Moyes admitted that after the red card he was happy to ge this players in at half time at 0-0 because it was their "worst period" of the match...they couldn't cope with trying to be defensive and rough and having to attack at 10 men.

Oh and as for the cards issue, I think 8 yellows and 1 red compared to three yellows and one red is a bit too much of a gap to say that Liverpool kicked anything that moved and Everton were just the innocent victim of the referee.....9 cards to four - over double the amount of cards, but Everton were hard done by of course...


Oh well, go back to 'sneaking a European spot' - Beware though of Barcelona robbing all your silky stars - they need a left back and Naysmith surely fits the bill, Stubbs would be a perfect foil for Puyol and who needs Henry for millions when you can have big Dunc.

But please leave us hoofing and cheating teams to buy cheap imports and sell them a few months later (having not played) and go about finishing well above you.

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this is very typical , liverpool hoof long balls all day at crouch tthen you slag duncs "silky skill":rolleyes:

i dont know where your going comparing dunc naysmith etc to barca players and henry , your talking about 3 second choice defenders 2 of which are over 34 , and a striker playing at 50 % fitness .

at least your starting to admitt ye are a long ball team there is some hope for you .

A longball team that are the current European Champions, and after disposing of a below average Everton side, they took their tally to 18 goals in 4 games. I'm amazed Wimbledon aren't still a premier league outfit.

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Originally Posted by anto1208

this is very typical , liverpool hoof long balls all day at crouch tthen you slag duncs "silky skill":rolleyes:

i dont know where your going comparing dunc naysmith etc to barca players and henry , your talking about 3 second choice defenders 2 of which are over 34 , and a striker playing at 50 % fitness .
at least your starting to admitt ye are a long ball team there is some hope for you .

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It was sarcasm mate. Have another look and see can you spot it.:eek:

You really are clutching at straws anto trying to play down the significance of the defeat for Everton. Playing against 10 men for just under an hour and you still couldn't compete. Liverpool, who are often labelled a 'one man team', played without that 'one man' and still managed to dominate against a team who have played 13 games less so far this season.

Your the first person to attempt to claim that Alonso's corner that led to Neville's og was out of play. Brilliant anto! Keep trying to deflect attention away from your own inadequacies and all will fall into place sooner rather than later:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by anto1208

well thats that game out of the way , it was going to be tough with out artetta on the pitch and kilbane starting ( it s like starting with 10 men ), then liverpools tactics of kick everton off the pitch coupled with hoof long balls at crouch all day plus the cheating to try to get everton players booked and sent off worked a treat ( and liverpool fans slag chelsea about being cheats and playing long balls FFS :rolleyes: )
gerrards tackle should have been a straight red same with alonso 's one when he went in with his studs up on neville . the first goal was clearly out of play from the corner allthough nevilles header was a joke . wright was totally at fault for the second made an easy chance into a simple chance by rushing out .
everton let themselves down the way they have being playing lately they should have passed them off the pitch .
the VDM red card was a joke ,again liverpool players hassling the ref and looking for a red card for a nothing clash between 2 players going for a header , there was a much worse one in the bolton game yesterday not even a free kick .

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You're spot on as usual Anto. Arteta was a major loss on the day but I think it was just one of those days where nothing really went right. The corner clearly went over the line that led to Neville's horrific own goal. I don't know what Wright was thinking for the second. It must be pointed out that both of those goals came at crucial stages of the game (just before and after half time) and that really knocked the stuffing out of the toffees. Gerard's tackle was a disgrace. The ref of course felt obliged to send off VDM and get the anfield crowd off his back. He was only waiting for his chance to make it ten against ten and make his job easier. A meticulous pr!ck.

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Originally Posted by Dillo

The corner clearly went over the line that led to Neville's horrific own goal.

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:D Joke of the month winner :D

i have to agree with you there mypost :eek:
the bluescheite will clutch too any excuse they can for their pathetic performance. They forget to mention samis wrongly disallowed goal, Alonso struck the bar with a free-kick, Stubbs made a goal-saving challenge on Garcia and Kewell drew a good save from Wright.
It should have been another 5 goals last weekend!!!

clearly over the line....:D :D

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Originally Posted by jockser

i have to agree with you there mypost :eek:
the bluescheite will clutch too any excuse they can for their pathetic performance. They forget to mention samis wrongly disallowed goal, Alonso struck the bar with a free-kick, Stubbs made a goal-saving challenge on Garcia and Kewell drew a good save from Wright.
It should have been another 5 goals last weekend!!!

clearly over the line....:

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ive admitted it was a rubbish performance we should have played that liverpool team off the pitch and they didnt

Thats class , i forgot to mention a defender making a challenge or a keeper making a save !!! well i guess it would have been 5 or 6 if they keeper or defenders didnt keep getting in the way ....what are they thinking of oh those pesky defenders :D

it wasnt me that said the ball was out of play it was proven on skysports afterwards .

simple facts it was a own goal just before half time knocked the stuffing out of everton the second ( in which crouch was offside from the LONG BALL he flicked on ) killed them off . even then they fought there way back into it untill the ref sent off a player for a foul no worse than garcia's elbow on kilbane. due to liverpool players putting pressure on the ref looking for the red cards .

[QUOTE=JoeSemi]You really are clutching at straws anto trying to play down the significance of the defeat for Everton. QUOTE]

its not that its just been put into perspective with little kayley keir being taking back into Alder hay hospital , she's an 10 year old everton mascot she had a heart and lung transplant and was getting better she led the teams out v fulham a few weeks ago but had a relapse at the weekend . so the score in ca crappy match no matter how important to ye isnt a big deal to us we ve much more important things to worry about .

( she's the girl who when liverpool players where visiting the hospital she struggled into her everton kit and made the nurse's put up all her everton posters and scarfs . told gerrard he could only come in to visit her if he put on an everton top !!):D

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Originally Posted by anto1208

ive admitted it was a rubbish performance we should have played that liverpool team off the pitch and they didnt

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No you shouldn't have, 11 grafters will not play anyone but the pl dross off the park, as Everton had done up until Saturday. Its amazing what a couple of wins will do to people's imaginations. This season, Everton against Liverpool, 2 played 2 lost 2 for 6 against. The woodentops will grasp at anything these days.

he just gets better and better each time i see him play .he has everything just like rooney only better close ball controll , won liverpool young sports personality last year at only 15 same as rooney .we should start to see him from next season on now he has turned 16 and can play for the full team .its about time iv been raving about him for the last 3 years

http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0...name_page.html

cut from article :
"The star of the show for the Toffees on a wet and windy night at SportCity was 16-year-old John-Paul Kissock.

The England Under-18 international fired in a stunning drive to level the game at 2-2four minutes into the second half.Kissock's performance was a major boost for the visitors."

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Originally Posted by anto1208

he just gets better and better each time i see him play .he has everything just like rooney only better close ball controll , won liverpool young sports personality last year at only 15 same as rooney .we should start to see him from next season on now he has turned 16 and can play for the full team .its about time iv been raving about him for the last 3 years

http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0...name_page.html

cut from article :
"The star of the show for the Toffees on a wet and windy night at SportCity was 16-year-old John-Paul Kissock.

The England Under-18 international fired in a stunning drive to level the game at 2-2four minutes into the second half.Kissock's performance was a major boost for the visitors."

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so he will be playing in some shade of red soon then :D

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Originally Posted by jockser

so he will be playing in some shade of red soon then :D

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probibly , hopefully not though , if he does they better get a proper deal not like the rooney one , 20 mill for the best europeen player fergie should wear a stripey jumper and a mask :D

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Originally Posted by anto1208

probibly , hopefully not though , if he does they better get a proper deal not like the rooney one , 20 mill for the best europeen player fergie should wear a stripey jumper and a mask :D

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sorry did you just say rooney is the best european player???:eek:

I would say he is the best young player in Europe . Probably the best u21 player in Europe. Maybe only Henry and Shevchenko are better than him as European players in my view.

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Originally Posted by jockser

sorry did you just say rooney is the best european player???:eek:

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name one thats better when you consider his stock v the rest , as mentioned henry and shevchenko are both pushing on now , id prefere rooney than either of those 2 anyway . henry only started playing really well 5 years ago before that and even when he arrived at highbury first he wasnt great ,rooney at 16 was an outstanding player at 20 he is one of the top in the world when he is 23 or 24 + he ll be unstoppable

the only player id buy before rooney would be ronaldino but he isnt europeen so he doesnt count

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Originally Posted by anto1208

he just gets better and better each time i see him play .he has everything just like rooney only better close ball controll , won liverpool young sports personality last year at only 15 same as rooney .we should start to see him from next season on now he has turned 16 and can play for the full team .its about time iv been raving about him for the last 3 years

http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0...name_page.html

cut from article :
"The star of the show for the Toffees on a wet and windy night at SportCity was 16-year-old John-Paul Kissock.

The England Under-18 international fired in a stunning drive to level the game at 2-2four minutes into the second half.Kissock's performance was a major boost for the visitors."

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ha ha..talk about changing the subject quickly....

funniest thing is when everton sent on tampon. desperation from the desperate.

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Originally Posted by declan hide

ha ha..talk about changing the subject quickly....

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we're just going to go around in circles other wise , everton fans with blue tinted glasses talked to liverpool fans with the red blinkers on . its going no where fast .and is just going to decend into a slagging match .

who is tampon. I know some people call some D4 girls tampons as they are stuck up c*nts but which Everton player has this name.