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Some of us were quite happy about that...
Without wanting to cause too much offence to Fingal fans I'm inwardly delighted at what has happened to to them.
They came in at the expense of my little club. Kilkenny were only small time but so were their debts & I believe a way to manage them could have been found if the FAI weren't in such a rush to fast-track this franchise that had arrived in the A championship. The FAI were so blinded by Fingal's money they were happy to push through a side that only existed a mere months instead of a club who tried to live by their budget constraints.
I know we were only small & had low attendances but we were not reckless & given time may have been able to build something again as we had in the past, but instead we were pushed over the edge to accommodate the short term thinking of Sporting Fingal.
Despite this rant I do feel for the Fingal fans because it's just not the same when you lose your own team
Bunny, my understanding is that Kilkenny lost their main organiser, and that's what really did them in rather than the debts.
Appreciate the support for the fans and thanks, but was it not kilkenny themselves who decided to call it quits. They decided they could no longer run a club in the LOI if memory serves me well. Our club was heading into the A championship without any problem. We where geared up for that league albeit with a decent squad at that level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunny Kelly
Really now, since when has reckless trading ever been a problem in LOI :confused: in legal sense I would imagine the defence would be that they expected income from UK sponsorship (figure of 500 K mentioned in Evening Herald) and had operated based on that . Very difficult to prove "reckless trading" in such a scenario unless perhaps they signed someone after deal colapsed. More likely legal route for players is our old friend "breach of contract" but as others pointed out there are limited assets to chase and players more likely to settle and move on.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
My understanding of the point of reckless trading is that the players could pursue the council and any other shareholders for the club's debts. I can imagine you're correct regarding how hard it is to prove though.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
Most or all of the players are going to get new contracts at other clubs. Fingal would only be liable for unearned income, i.e. lost earnings for the time between contracts and possibly the difference between old wage and new wage.Quote:
Originally Posted by total hoofball
Reckless trading would only apply if the club knew that it couldn't honour the contracts before they were signed, and even then it'd be hard to prove. Reckless trading action is usually only taken against companies that profit from work and then don't properly compensate the workers.
Fingal, Drogheda or Bohemians, Kildare, Kilkenny, Castlebar, Carlow, Tullamore, Cobh and Tralee. 9 clubs that need the A Championship to remain. First two if they fall and need a pathway back to the league. The next two if they ever look to rejoin the league. The remaining five are the sides who took part last year. Hopefully Castlebar will look to rejoin. Crazy to end the A Championship. It has a purpose.
if fingal County Council are shareholders it could be possible to chase them for breach of contract (much clearer case than reckless trading) and much the same thing for players - would be seeking contracts honoured. Would be interesting to see if Fingal CC have put some "firewalls" between themselves and any potential liabilitiesQuote:
Originally Posted by John83
I think you underestimate the costs of putting out an all-amateur team for starters, particularly in addition to the player debts outlined by total hoofball.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
In addition, I don't think there's anyone involved with the club who'd have the appetite for a struggling all-amateur team. The club always appeared to have been an all-or-nothing venture.
I can't see them getting a licence, and I can't see them being able to continue even if they do get a licence.
Agree PS its extremely unlikely (possibly 1% shot at best ?). I was just making the point that an all amatuer team would not preclude participation in Prem Division.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
As suggested most likely option is year out and back to the drawing board for SF to put together a ressurection plan (or fade away completely).
one cannot decide to unilaterily cancell a contract those players have been sacked, sporting are not in a position to apply for a licence.
Just wondering what club the 20 Fingal fans will choose to support now, or who would you like to see move into the Fingal area, Bohs or Shels?
Castlebar are going back to the Mayo league afaik.
Who would you have supported if SRFC had gone bust? I'd imagine like most of us you'd be completely disillunsioned and it would be too gutting to even consider supporting someone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave_SRFC
Yes, Fingal are only around a couple of years, but I know that 2 years into supporting City I certainly wouldnt have been able to become a Cobh fan if we'd gone bang.
The amount of fans is irrelevant really, I wouldn't wish this feeling on anyone, and even if it's only 1 person going through it I feel for them.
We were lucky, we've had the heartbreak, the being on the brink of extinction more than once, but we came back and we'll be stronger for it. I hope the Fingal fans can have the same. maybe start small, and build up slowly.
The club owners fecked up royally, but as someone who had TNB running my club for a year I certainly can't judge the fans on that basis.
Good luck to them.
It's disappointing it's a step they have had to take. They can't be blamed with the way the A Championship is going and almost gone. Maybe the best route for football in the county is a provincial pyramid structure from Junior leagues to Intermediate leagues?Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Army
they could support yourselves but then again dont remember sporting having any yobsQuote:
Originally Posted by Dave_SRFC
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Originally Posted by John83
Nick Leeson.
I saw in the papers today that there is talk of a eleven team first division what about the likes of cobh who lost the playoff? its sad to see SF go I know Alan Kirby was holdin out for a new club as he was concerned that fingal hasnt got back to him about a new deal and he understandably got nervous.. Its a total sham what happened to SF..They got too ambitious too soon...I wonder will SF end up in the A league or is this the end of SF?
Its fairly ironic that you have to point this out to a Bohs fanQuote:
Originally Posted by passerrby
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Originally Posted by Martinho II
Have the FAI anything to say about this latest farce at all? Three and a bit weeks to kick off and nobody knows who's playing where or when or who or how many times.
Or how many are going up/down.
Cobh lost home and away to Salthill remember. They may decide they're not ready for the step up. On the flip side, with Castlebar and Cobh out of the A League, there'd be less chance of them getting relegated from the First Division.
Fingal have/had more fans then a good wedge of the clubs in the First Division.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave_SRFC
In General, this whole thread is littered with people showering themselves in the glass of their own houses.
Cobhs team last year were only children from what I saw of them, I'm sure if they were facing into an actual full season of proper League Of Ireland they'd sign a few experienced local heads and be alright duking it out with Salthill, Mervue and the like.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
It would be a disgrace if the number of teams was reduced, clubs have budgeted for 33 games.
Cobh should get an invite or if someone else drops out, both divisions can have 10 clubs in each. It might just be the way forward...Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinho II
quick question.
What do you guys (particularly those who are happy about all this) think will or should happen to the Special Olympics team, the team for the Deaf, and the power soccer and futsal sides....?
If the Drog's or Boh's bow out, they can settle for 10 in division one as well and play 36 games like the Premier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
Can't really see them getting a licence, tbh. The futsal team's pitch would be way too short for starters.Quote:
Originally Posted by sparky12345678
maybe the club should've thought about them before offering their reserve keeper €700 a week. How ****ing dare you try to make this about the Special Olympics and the DeafQuote:
Originally Posted by sparky12345678
Its like black people calling each other nigg@Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
Only fans of clubs who are/have been/will in the ****s can slag them
Presumably the council will continue to fund them. That sort of stuff was why they were involved in the club, not looking for glory from the first team, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by sparky12345678
As far as i'm aware the community teams such as the Special Olympics and Powerchair teams will continue as normal. They operate on their own budgets and have their own volunteers so things won't change to much for them. The only difference is that they'll be the main teams of the club now and not the LOI Squad.
if nothing else these teams will be a positive legacy left behind by a club who really did try make a difference in the community. Having been on a programme run by their Community Trust I am grateful to what the club gave me and my family and will sorely miss them.
The situations in Cork and Derry were somewhat diferent but in each case it needed a group ready, willing and able to step up to the plate at short notice, in our case, a grand total of nine days! That whole episode was rough on a few other clubs, too.
Have a word Dodge, it was a genuine question he asked and no need for the over reaction .Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
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Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Great response as usual Stu.
I think they gave u a run for ur money loosing 2-1 u scoring on 93 minute whey cobh had 10 players.. The average age is 19 with some experience cobh loi player now . They finished loosing to salthill who were under pressure in the second half only for their goalkeeper they would have been in the Achampionship ..Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
I stand by my reaction. its disgusting to use the Special olympics team and the Deaf team when the problem is clearly only with the LOI team. As the LOI team was loss making, there is absolutely no reason why the others can't finction without it.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lep
pathetic to suggest so
If the league promote Drogheda as was mentioned and also Cobh been brought back into the league it would be very unfair on Cobh. They'd have very little time to organise a team fit for LOI. Only case would be to have no relegation play off this season in order to give Cobh a chance at least to organise for next season.
There will be no division to be relegated into after this year. I doubt there will be a play offQuote:
Originally Posted by Town Legend
well it was a genuine question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
i also mentioned the futsal team, i wasnt trying to make a point about teams for those with special needs just making a point that Sporting fingal genuinly had more going for it than just this franchise that people hate so much., that it had other teams representing the club in different leagues. My question was if it collapses and disappears as an entity would the associate teams also disappear.