Eligibility Rules, Okay

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Never mind this, what do DI & Fly (& our other Ulaidh correspondents) think of the alternative flegs that may be representing them one day, as per the last Paddy B.post...

Actually some of them are, interesting?

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Like Fly, the tricolour represents me fine. I enjoyed this submission though:

http://cdn2.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/i...342/flag31.jpg

And these two are kind of compelling, for some reason:

http://cdn2.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/i.../flag_2_15.png
"A white and golden cross of Saint Brigit's placed over a blue field of Saint Patrick." - Rodney Tyson Jr

http://cdn1.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/i.../flag_2_16.png
"A white and blue cross of Saint Bridget placed over a field of Irish green." - Rodney Tyson Jr

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Originally Posted by Crosby87

Its gethsemane. Its like a long emotianal speech that defines things. Go on you tube and watch "armisteads gethsemane" from the terrific ron maxwell film gettysburg. Its so you.
And what's a fleg? Do you have a samsung galaxy tablet too?

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Ah, "gethsemane", like the garden?... Doesn't that refer to a moment of suffering? Link me up, Crosby; I can't find the scene and I've never seen the movie.

A "fleg" is a flag in Belfast-speak.

And, no, I don't have a tablet, although I have a Galaxy S4, if that's of any consequence... :confused:

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Originally Posted by Gather round

http://i827.photobucket.com/albums/z...psa1440977.jpg

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'Spide-man'

Oh you!

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

Like Fly, the tricolour represents me fine. I enjoyed this submission though:

And these two are kind of compelling, for some reason:

http://cdn2.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/i.../flag_2_15.png
"A white and golden cross of Saint Brigit's placed over a blue field of Saint Patrick." - Rodney Tyson Jr

http://cdn1.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/i.../flag_2_16.png
"A white and blue cross of Saint Bridget placed over a field of Irish green." - Rodney Tyson Jr

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Given the descriptions, the thing I find most compelling about those is that they were submitted by someone called Rodney Tyson Jr.

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Originally Posted by Crosby87

Its gethsemane. Its like a long emotianal speech that defines things. Go on you tube and watch "armisteads gethsemane" from the terrific ron maxwell film gettysburg. Its so you.

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

Ah, "gethsemane", like the garden?... Doesn't that refer to a moment of suffering? Link me up, Crosby; I can't find the scene and I've never seen the movie.

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Good reference, Crosby - worth a thanks. It was all the more poignant for being Richard Jordan's (Armistead) last film.

Danny, you need to take four hours away from your keyboard and watch it (8 hours if you include the later prequel, Gods and Generals).

Am I allowed to say ha ha, Fly/DI??

As for GR...
:rolleyes:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U1xLCnzsvfw

Danny its a great scene. Armistead was a souther gnl whilst his best bud Winfield Scott Hancock,
Who survived the war and later ran for president, was a northern gnl who was in command of the union army that day... Tom Berringer is playing Lee's right hand man, Gnl James Longstreet.

Eminence I agree Richard Jordan was a great actor. He was also in red october...

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

I imagine he would have kept his head down, like many footballers from nationalist backgrounds similarly do when they represent NI, whilst possibly thinking the same in his head: "This isn't my anthem/flag." Such a thought would spire from the social reality quoted. That such a thought became verbalised was simply because the other boxer made some sort of enquiry.
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but I saw it as Barnes feeling a need to enlighten ignorance or possible misinterpretation.

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It was the history and social reality of the region bubbling to the surface, verbalised through an unwitting servant?

Sorry, I don't buy that. The thoughts may indeed have been in his head, but he chose to speak the words he spoke.

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

It might even have made you chuckle? :p

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No. I saw it as a silly, petty dig. Nothing to celebrate. Digs are insulting by design, so I can't agree that there was nothing to take offence about. I'd guess that your opinion of 'the symbolism concerned, no doubt, coloured [your] pleasantly-surprised reaction' as to how to offensive it was.

Shoot 'em all and let god sort them out. That's what I say.

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Originally Posted by The Fly

'Spide-man'

Oh you!

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Nothing to do with ye Fly or even GR, but that is the most unrepresentive fleg of the latter ever...

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Originally Posted by Gather round

http://i827.photobucket.com/albums/z...psa9c616a9.jpg

http://i827.photobucket.com/albums/z...ps223c6526.jpg

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What the hell are those? One's a map of Brazil, which is in, er, South America...and the other some sort of Blockbusters 'meme'?

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

What the hell are those? One's a map of Brazil, which is in, er, South America...and the other some sort of Blockbusters 'meme'?

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It's just a guess, but this may be related: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IFA_Pre...and_runners-up

It's a stylised map of NI election constituencies, showing the Nationalist vote percentage for each in 2010.

Hmm, surely a pie chart would have been more relevant...
;)

Not to mention the wrong colours! Or is this a more oblique comment on political leanings there.
Ironically which could help form 'eligibility', before anyone goes off on one.

Good grief Ardee, you really know how the suck the fun out of a simple joke.

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Originally Posted by Crosby87

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U1xLCnzsvfw

Danny its a great scene. Armistead was a souther gnl whilst his best bud Winfield Scott Hancock,
Who survived the war and later ran for president, was a northern gnl who was in command of the union army that day... Tom Berringer is playing Lee's right hand man, Gnl James Longstreet.

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Hehe, I'll have to get working on my beard!

And I'll be sure to set some time aside, EG. :o

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Originally Posted by osarusan

It was the history and social reality of the region bubbling to the surface, verbalised through an unwitting servant?

Sorry, I don't buy that. The thoughts may indeed have been in his head, but he chose to speak the words he spoke.

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He did choose to utter the words but, unlike you, I don't think he was explicitly intending or going out of his way to cause offence in verbalising his thought. Are you implying that the thought ("this isn't my anthem") is an offensive thought to hold?

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No. I saw it as a silly, petty dig. Nothing to celebrate. Digs are insulting by design, so I can't agree that there was nothing to take offence about.

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Just to be clear, because you keep using it as if to insinuate I was on the verge of popping champagne corks, I never used the word "celebrate". I saw humour in the incident and an allusion to a wider socio-cultural issue in which I happen to have an interest.

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I'd guess that your opinion of 'the symbolism concerned, no doubt, coloured [your] pleasantly-surprised reaction' as to how to offensive it was.

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There's no reason to guess; I've already outlined perfectly clearly as to how I came to a judgment regarding its potential (non-)offensiveness. Whilst challenging the possible presumption that nationalists might feel represented by such contentious and out-dated symbolism, it was harmless, trampled upon nobody's culture and was not a pre-meditated insult.

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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

Good grief Ardee, you really know how the suck the fun out of a simple joke.

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When, where, how??

And presumably you're being ironic...
;)

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

He did choose to utter the words but, unlike you, I don't think he was explicitly intending or going out of his way to cause offence in verbalising his thought.

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Fair enough, I'd say he was. Let's leave it there.

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

Are you implying that the thought ("this isn't my anthem") is an offensive thought to hold?

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No of course not. But even if that thought was on his mind, he did have the capacity not to say it.

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

Just to be clear, because you keep using it as if to insinuate I was on the verge of popping champagne corks, I never used the word "celebrate".

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Not 'celebrate' as in popping champagne corks, but 'celebrate' as in see as a positive thing.

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

it was harmless, trampled upon nobody's culture and was not a pre-meditated insult.

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I can see how some people might take offence. Again, let's just leave it there, shall we?

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Originally Posted by osarusan

Not 'celebrate' as in popping champagne corks, but 'celebrate' as in see as a positive thing.

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Well, if that is equivalent to being humoured by something and seeing a broader social implication in it...

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Again, let's just leave it there, shall we?

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C'mon, I'm sure we could get at least three more pages out of this! :p

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

What the hell are those? One's a map of Brazil, which is in, er, South America...and the other some sort of Blockbusters 'meme'?

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The former must be a reference to the old Windsor favourite 'We're Not Brazil...'.