Stan won't put him in his place though, he's made him captain (?) and has allied himself to Keane, in much the same way that Eriksson did with Beckham.
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Stan won't put him in his place though, he's made him captain (?) and has allied himself to Keane, in much the same way that Eriksson did with Beckham.
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Originally Posted by zenokelly
I sware lads, as Irish fans we're being painted as mindless tabloid readers by the FAI and even some former players to counter the recent poor performances of the team, manager and the Ascotiation.... But ridiculous comments like that give them credence!!
Keane is our best available forward.... But he should never be beyond getting subbed. End of!!
There is so much wrong with this post. Murph you are probably right in terms of where Keane would be effective minus a front man - attacking midfield , and you are definitly right in saying he plays well off a big man.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmurphyc
But to do the first option, you would have to change the system in some way shape or form. Either the wingers would have to be dropped, making a three man midfield with Keane advanced behind two strikers or, a three man functional midfield with two advance players off a man striker.
This was tried by Kerr and the players themselves said we should stick to what we know. Basically stop trying anything different and let us at 442. Also anytime we do play two off a striker, one of the 'two off' tend to be not suited to the position. A la Elliot against Croatia and Sweden. Why not play Duff and Keane behind Doyle? Or McGeady and Keane behind Long/Stokes?
And as for Alan Lee being tried in international football, don;t give me that. When we 'try' players in matches, its usually out of position or surrounded by other newbies who we're also trying out!
Doyle and Keane really should compliment each other quite well. Doyles good in the air and makes the ball stick. Keane could easily drop off him and come deep and with us and our remarkably limited midfield options this could well be the answer. Two sitting midfielders in S Reid and Carsley and then play with two out and out wingers in Duff and McGeady. I think when Doyles out its more of a problem because we simply don't have anyone else to lead the line, Robbie for all his qualities isn't really a centre foward, the other options in Morrison/Lee/Stokes aren't really at the level required, yet in the case of Stokes.
and as for players deciding that they know 442 and they should stick to it....they should do as they're ****ing told and not be so english in they're outlook on the game.
On a lighter aside(and god knows this thread needs it).....
robbie is listed as one of Kevin Rowlands freinds on his official myspace...how random is that....
deffo cant drop him now....
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndID=135573349
Scored 2 again today and was sent off but I heard it was harsh. I will see later on MOTD2. Thats four goals in the last 3 games for him. Hope the rec card is recinded so he does not get suspended.
On a slightly related note , when Keane got sent off , how stupid are footballers?
Every time the ref makes a decision they disagree with they are all surrounding the ref and being generally agressive towards him and i cant remember any time this has had the effect of changing the refs mind.
I wish they would treat the refs with the same respect rugby refs seem to get.
I was wondering it it was genuinely his, and apparently it is but someone elseQuote:
Originally Posted by Billsthoughts
maintaiins it. Athough I suppose anyone can create a page using whatever name they like and say whatever they want and you have no way of knowing if is genuine or not. Damien Duff is on there also, as is Zidane and Maradonna,
and no doubt Elvis.
I have seen the 'handball' frame by frame on my PC and you cannot say for sure he handballed it. I don't think he did but basically you have to 'guess' what happens between frames. He should be given the benefit of the doubt IMO
A few weeks ago the Roma (I think) goalkeeper was sent off, and he politely pleaded with the referee, who then consulted with the linesman, and the red was commuted to yellow.Quote:
Originally Posted by gustavo
Very much the exception that proves the rule however.
Chest to hand for RK's red against Bolton, wouldn't be surprised if it's reduced to yellow on appeal
Saw it last night and it was a handball and a penalty but not a sending off. The reason being is that the ball hit his chest and then on to his hand so therefore was moving away from goal when it hit his hand, therefore he did not stop a goal with his had so its not a red card. The card should be appealed.
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Originally Posted by gustavo
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Originally Posted by gustavo
Very much the exception that proves the rule however.
Yep, it´s very questionable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marked Man
In order for the saying to have a context then Gustava (risking ridicule) would have to write, for example, 'No player can influence the ref to change a decision made against their team except the Roma goalkeeper.'
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Originally Posted by NeilMcD
The appeal was thrown out, shows what we know
dunno....didnt see the game but saw the two goals and they were great.
does anyone else think that he can never do it for a whole season? he always seems to have a purple patch every year where he boosts his scoring tally? anyways good to see him scoring.
eh himself and doyle have only played like once or twice together for ireland-someone correct me if i'm wrong. expect it to be a good partnershipQuote:
Originally Posted by sheepstealer
i personally think doyle and elliott (when he comes back) looks like a better partnership. they linked up well and seemed to have better awareness of each other than the doyle keane partnership whereby doyle seemed to be chasing balls and doing all the work (and strangely looked like he was being used as a target man for some reason) whilst keane was basically in the wrong positions doing **** all
Elliott :eek: : another one of the mediocre scampering midget brigade like Connolly. Yep, drop Robbie now that he appears to be back to form :rolleyes:
I'm not saying drop robbie. elliott's out at the moment anyway. but he's a decent player who gives us another option. and if robbie doesn't pull up his socks whilst playing for US, not tottenham, then he should be made aware of the fact that he isn't undroppable, or that he can be subbed if he's not giving us anything. although kerr always started robbie; he let him know that he could be taken off, something which staunton has yet to do.
Ya Kerr did that at probably the worst possible time when we were trying to rescue a World Cup spot in the last 20 minutes of the Switzerland match. If I recall that was the only time Kerr did that when behind or level in a competitive match.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmurphyc
0-0 away to Albania in 2003 - http://www.soccerbase.com/results3.sd?gameid=407207Quote:
Originally Posted by zenokelly
although this was the game after Robbie's father's funeral. Can't recall any other time though
He also took him off with 3 minutes to go in Cyprus and a fair few friendlies. I actually thought it was way more than that. But clearly, we need a manager who isn't afraid to substitute him when he isn't playing well.
I would recommend that you turn down the sound first
Robbie's first
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5Blj3yCMPc#
Robbie's second
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS5D6aUi-hM&NR#
ah now i know why people still want kerr to be manager.....Quote:
0-0 away to Albania in 2003
Keane seems to make a huge difference when he plays for Spurs. He's actually a real leader for them.
He's motivated by the competition available at Tottenham. It's not as if the same level exists when playing for Ireland. There's no incentive other than playing for his country and it would sometimes seem, to me at least, that that is not enough for him. In short, he often coasts when playing in green.
:ball: PP
Morrison has hit some form too... I think he has a bit of an unfair rep amongst some of our supporters.
Morrison works his socks off and will probably make hthe squad again.
6 goals in 4 premiership games in April aswell as a goal against Seville in the UEFA cup. Has to be a contender for premiership player of the month.
His first touch and turn for the gioal was superb.Quote:
Originally Posted by dr_peepee
Very good goals by Robbie, but as said above his club form is very streaky and it never coincides with when Ireland have games!
good second half of the season for Clinton, he was out of favor and form before Christmas and has turned it around to become Palace's top scorer of the season.
was looking on soccernet... robbie and dimitar now have an equal number of premiership goals (10) and an equal number in all competitions (21) despite robbie having a lot less playing time and fewer shots: http://soccernet.espn.go.com/team/sq...view=1&cc=5739
Article below from last week's London Evening Standard i.e. before Robbie's two goals v Boro. I don't see enough of ROI to express a strong opinion, but I can't help feeling that the "failings" attributed to him (doesn't care, not a leader etc) are much more of a reflection on Staunton than they are on the player himself, since simultaneously to his struggling for ROI, Robbie is playing the best football of his career under Jol:
Untouchable Keane is Jol's main man
27.04.07
Martin Jol has admitted Robbie Keane has become one of his untouchables since the Spurs striker proved his leadership qualities on and off the pitch this season.
Keane has consistently been picked ahead of Jermain Defoe in recent weeks and started in most of the club's big games in the FA Cup, Carling Cup and UEFA Cup.
The Irish international has had to captain the side for much of the campaign due to Ledley King's long lay-off through injury and Jol believes the extra responsibility has given an edge to his game.
Keane has scored 12 goals in his last 12 games and Jol said: "Robbie has been captain for most of the season with Ledley not being there and he has been a big influence in the dressing room.
"In the past I had to make a choice between him and Defoe, but now he is a big personality and it is difficult to leave him out.
"I feel he has changed and takes on a lot more responsibility. He has got more influence and talks to the other players.
"He has scored 19 goals, but I feel there is more to come from him. If you take into consideration that he was out for two months with injury he could have scored 25-26."
I think people get frustrated by Robbie because he moans too much to referees, throws his hands in the air and seems to lose focus as a result - hence the "lacking leadership" criticisms.
Despite a good goalscoring record he's not clinical, his late miss against the Czechs being a good example. However his workrate & willingness to seek the ball is beyond doubt to most people (but not all as evidenced by criticism by some of his Czech performance), probably to the detriment of his goals for record.
I think a key difference between his club performances and his Ireland performances is that at Spurs he plays in a well balanced fully functional team, for Ireland he has to try and make up for the failings of our central midfield.
He hit a similar purple patch this time last year too for Spurs & it just shows what a good player he is.
Spot on. I'd say if himself and Doyle had a decent, balanced midfield we could see a potentially great partnership forming there...Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
But isn't it up to the manager to spot these things and put them right? If another manager can see this - if even the supporters can! - surely Staunton should be addressing this as a matter of urgency, since Keane is clearly one of his top two or three players?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Ogba
And if he can't/won't, is it any wonder if the players then begin to lose their respect, followed by their motivation? I know I keep banging on about this, but after a bright scoring start to his NI career, even David Healy got ground down playing for Sammy McIlroy, including playing in every minute of the famous 12 match scoreless run which saw McIlroy resign.
Sanchez takes over, realises that the team's overwhelming priority is to start scoring, that DH is the obvious candidate to do this, and builds the team round him. Result: Healy scores 21 goals in 27 internationals, including 9 in his last 6 European Qualifiers.
Of course, these things are easier said than done - otherwise we'd all be top managers! But having said that, there's no magical secret to it, either. Martin Jol had two similar strikers, of similar ability, in Keane and Defoe. He tried them separately with different partners, he tried them together, he tried simply rotating them game about, he tried selcting one to start, with the other coming on as sub (and v.v.).
In the end he decided Keane, playing alongside a big guy (ideally Berbatov), was the best combination to suit both player and team. Staunton (imo) needs to determine the same for Keane and pick the players round him who will bring the best out of him, since a fully-functioning Keane will also bring out the best in the other players in return.
It is up to the manager-thats why we're fecked.
To be fair to Staunton he can't go out and buy players just because the ones he has aren't up to it. Also, at international level there is far less room for tinkering around with players and systems as there are far fewer games so the margin for error is much smaller.