American Politics

Charlie Kirk was a Moderate.

I suggest you do some actual research in to the life, that the man, that has been charged with shooting Charlie Kirk was living.

The accused was most certainly Not living a conservative lifestyle.

And the thing is, Charlie Kirk was becoming even more moderate as he got older ~ ~ He was actually a very young man with a very young family and a very young wife.

As I say Charlie Kirk was becoming more moderate as he grew older. Something you see with many Christian People.

The more you watch of Charlie Kirk, you will see how moderate he was, and was becoming.

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Originally Posted by seanfhear

Charlie Kirk was a Moderate.

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Originally Posted by seanfhear

Charlie Kirk was becoming even more moderate as he got older

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Originally Posted by seanfhear

Charlie Kirk was becoming more moderate as he grew older.

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Originally Posted by seanfhear

The more you watch of Charlie Kirk, you will see how moderate he was, and was becoming.

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Are you trying to convince yourself or everybody else.

The problem with America is ita a country of extremes, youve got the woke Democrats more interested in Trans rights than actually putting in a proper functioning social welfare system and the extreme right who think carrying Assault rifles is an inalienable god given right that any amount of school shootings is worth putting up with.
The voters dont have much choice of where to go and neither side looks great, youd have to think there is room for an independent candidate for 2028 , there is certainly plenty of room in the middle.

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Originally Posted by sbgawa

The voters dont have much choice of where to go and neither side looks great, youd have to think there is room for an independent candidate for 2028 , there is certainly plenty of room in the middle.

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No harm, but this thread should just be closed before everyone dies of moderate wokeism.

Its gone beyond a joke, and there's very little constructive discussion on here.

I don't think it should be closed. I do think either people stop feeding the trolls or the troll gets banned. That would allow discussion to resume.

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Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid

Are you trying to convince yourself or everybody else.

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Just watch what Charlie Kirk was all about with his interactions with ordinary People.

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Originally Posted by sbgawa

The problem with America is ita a country of extremes, youve got the woke Democrats more interested in Trans rights than actually putting in a proper functioning social welfare system and the extreme right who think carrying Assault rifles is an inalienable god given right that any amount of school shootings is worth putting up with.
The voters dont have much choice of where to go and neither side looks great, youd have to think there is room for an independent candidate for 2028 , there is certainly plenty of room in the middle.

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Charlie Kirk would have been that candidate in the future.

From our great leader..."Charlie did not hate his opponents. He wanted the best for them. That's where I disagreed with Charlie. I hate my opponents. And I don't want the best for them. I can't stand my opponents."

https://x.com/Ronxyz00/status/1969898536692224112

This lunatic is supposed to be leader of the entire country and not just the leader of his supporters. But tell me again how the Left are the problem in the US

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

From our great leader..."Charlie did not hate his opponents. He wanted the best for them. That's where I disagreed with Charlie. I hate my opponents. And I don't want the best for them. I can't stand my opponents."

https://x.com/Ronxyz00/status/1969898536692224112

This lunatic is supposed to be leader of the entire country and not just the leader of his supporters. But tell me again how the Left are the problem in the US

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Charlie Kirk was a much much much better Man that Donald Trump ~ That is for sure.

@Nesta99 is right, I've had enough of this crap. @seanshear and @nesta99 banned permanantly for trolling. I'm middle-aged now, I've better things to do with my time than deal with idiots and smart-arses. Trolls are scum, the only people that thinks they're funny is themselves. F*ck them.

Nesta? Mistaken identity there, no? He's right but banned - did you mean someone else? Nesta is a very sensible poster

I didnt think anyone was Trolling tbh, I just thought Seanfhear is a dope

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Originally Posted by dahamsta

@Nesta99 is right, I've had enough of this crap. @seanshear and @nesta99 banned permanantly for trolling. I'm middle-aged now, I've better things to do with my time than deal with idiots and smart-arses. Trolls are scum, the only people that thinks they're funny is themselves. F*ck them.

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Nesta?? Apart from questionable knowledge of good football indont think he earned a ban here

That was a mistake, I corrected it immediately afterwards. I meant to say mark12345.

Ahhh I love you guys! Group hug! I might have banned me, though I was genuinely trying to get a handle on the mindset, see if there was any common ground at all. But there obviously was just an entrenched nonsensical bias, being nice maybe a confabulation. Having enaged with the trolls I didnt like being called an idiot, but I didnt need to thow it up at dahamsta either. A pm would have been the thing to do if I had really been significantly annoyed. So apologies there even if mistaken identity.

Trumps speech to the UN today is quite something!

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

I didnt think anyone was Trolling tbh, I just thought Seanfhear is a dope

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I'd agree. Just not at, or anywhere near, the level of the conversation. The inability to understand not only the points made but even the question asked was in itself astounding.

Mark12345 is no better but he has the cop on when faced with people capable of critical analysis and competent counterpoint, to just go away for a month before returning banging the same stupid drum again about something else.

Not a lot between them & neither any loss IMO, here or elsewhere on the site.

I'd dropped out pages back over them, pointless. Fair play to those who argued on.

is Seanfhear banned permanently from all subforums? jeez, it looks like it. Politics deffo, everywhere else he is harmless enough...

Must admit the perma ban does not sit well with me. The fella has been a member since 2007. He wasn't abusive to anyone. I don't think hes the smartest lad in the world and he was dug in on stupidity... but its a bit ironic to ban someone during a conversation about free speech.

Should add that its not that Id particularly want him back either, just something doesnt feel right about it

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Originally Posted by SkStu

is Seanfhear banned permanently from all subforums? jeez, it looks like it. Politics deffo, everywhere else he is harmless enough...

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I think I'd agree with that alright. A Current Affairs ban, yeah, but he was fine in the Ireland forum.

Forum has rules though, to be fair.

Act the idiot, pay the punishment.

Certainly never caused much harm away from the public affairs forum, but really took the biscuit in here.

It’s a bit of a Trumpian response let’s be honest. Close to 20 years good behaviour tarnished by a couple of weeks of idiocy is harsh. Nothing a perma-ban from Current Affairs and a stern warning to keep his nose clean everywhere else wouldn’t have fixed.

Seanfhear was a bit of a foot.ie institution. Our very own Dame Judi Dench.

I dont think he was trolling, obfuscating for sure and obstructing. I feel like a particpiant because I asked questiones which were replied to rather than answered, but not with insult except to my sense of logic. If there was an in between like banning from one sub rather than all I would have been more comfortable with it. It happens in the LoI firum where posters can get entrenched and usually the weight of others puts a stop to things, we didnt here or didnt listen. Buuuttt I think were all just a little afraid of being labled as, funnily enough, a bit rightie with ageeing a ban was warranted. That a ban is being discussed shows it isnt really the case. Who knows....

I disagree, I think both of them are trolls, pure and simple. They were asked to stop many, many times, provide evidence, stop making false claims, etc, etc, they simply ignored it. Enough was enough.

And if I'm wrong, and they're truly that ignorant, it's no loss either. I'm middle-aged now, with a mildly-nasty auto-immune disease, and this site basically costs me money to run at this point*. I have better things to do with my time that deal with trolls and cretins. Screw them.

* Which is fine, I don't mind. In fact I've just realised that Google can go f*ck themselves too, I'll take the ads off the site in a minute. It's not enough to care about.

Done, gone.

You're gonna Make Footie Great Again!! :D

Ooh - remember the Santa hat that used to be on the foot.ie logo? It could be a MAGA baseball cap :p

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Originally Posted by dahamsta

I disagree, I think both of them are trolls, pure and simple. They were asked to stop many, many times, provide evidence, stop making false claims, etc, etc, they simply ignored it. Enough was enough.

And if I'm wrong, and they're truly that ignorant, it's no loss either. I'm middle-aged now, with a mildly-nasty auto-immune disease, and this site basically costs me money to run at this point*. I have better things to do with my time that deal with trolls and cretins. Screw them.

* Which is fine, I don't mind. In fact I've just realised that Google can go f*ck themselves too, I'll take the ads off the site in a minute. It's not enough to care about.

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Fair enough, they did constantly make false statements and refuse to back it up. They wont be missed

Meh! Im fickle enough to change my mind from one post to the next - maybe im catching maga mouth disease!

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Originally Posted by dahamsta

I disagree, I think both of them are trolls, pure and simple. They were asked to stop many, many times, provide evidence, stop making false claims, etc, etc, they simply ignored it. Enough was enough.

And if I'm wrong, and they're truly that ignorant, it's no loss either. I'm middle-aged now, with a mildly-nasty auto-immune disease, and this site basically costs me money to run at this point*. I have better things to do with my time that deal with trolls and cretins. Screw them.

* Which is fine, I don't mind. In fact I've just realised that Google can go f*ck themselves too, I'll take the ads off the site in a minute. It's not enough to care about.

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Im still getting ads btw, is it a case of itll take a few days to go away?

"Anti-immigration enforcement mass shooter shoots two immigrants dead"

Is there any more America 2025 headline than this? F*cking idiots one and all.

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Originally Posted by SkStu

"Anti-immigration enforcement mass shooter shoots two immigrants dead"

Is there any more America 2025 headline than this? F*cking idiots one and all.

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The head of the FBI released images of a clip of unused bullets with "anti-ICE" written on it. Lets just assume for a second this it real actual evidence (and not the obvious plant).... everything Ive ever learned about TV police investigations tells me that this is tainting the evidence and no evidence is ever released to public as it may affect its use in court.

For the head of the FBI to be releasing this kind of stuff is unbelievable

the dude shot himself though...court not required. If he is left/right/up/down it will come out. Its just all so fcking American.

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Originally Posted by SkStu

the dude shot himself though...court not required. If he is left/right/up/down it will come out. Its just all so fcking American.

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Thats true, but what if there were accomplices. Its just insane that the FBI chief is tweeting supposed evidence for political gain

Its evidentiary value is nil. Motive is important and public interest. Without it stupid people’d be saying dead dude was right wing racist aiming at immigrants. Political gain is politics. Another violent attack on law enforcement is a political statement. None of it is surprising and none of it is shocking. Welcome to America 2025.

Motive is something that is being assumed based on a dodgy photo from a very dodgy guy. Anti Ice is a bit of a weird thing to write on a bullet that just happens to be left around. If it was fcuk ICE it would be more believable.

Im sorry, I just dont trust a single thing that comes from a single person in this administration

It's just too convenient. Its like somebody said I hope there is anti Ice evidence and somebody put anti- Ice evidence on the bullets ala a Naked Gun gag. Just as RLP says fook Ice, or fascist whatevers, a mispelling even....no scratch the last one, that would make it definitely planted.

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

Motive is something that is being assumed based on a dodgy photo from a very dodgy guy. Anti Ice is a bit of a weird thing to write on a bullet that just happens to be left around. If it was fcuk ICE it would be more believable.

Im sorry, I just dont trust a single thing that comes from a single person in this administration

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That's a reasonable position to take but there have been a few attacks on ICE and other law enforcement over the last 9 months and more so I am going to lean away from the conspiracy angle on this one. Like, what's the realistic alternative here?

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Originally Posted by Nesta99

It's just too convenient. Its like somebody said I hope there is anti Ice evidence and somebody put anti- Ice evidence on the bullets ala a Naked Gun gag. Just as RLP says fook Ice, or fascist whatevers, a mispelling even....no scratch the last one, that would make it definitely planted.

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People were saying it was just too convenient that Kirks assassin left his rifle where it could be found, that there was antifascist memeology on the ammo etc etc...sometimes (most of the time) it just is what it is.