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I remember reading something a while ago where Holloway admitted his teams had always played awful rubbish until he watched Barcelona play one day and decided 'this is the future' and changed his methods overnight. He certainly knows how to get his teams to pass but he doesn't seem to be able to find players who know when it's appropriate to do so and when to play the percentages.
Keane would be an unmitigated disaster as Irish manager. Keane has no ability in working with average players. He might and it's a very small might have been able to manage our team in 2002 but not our current vintage. I do have time for Keane in some ways, but as a manager many of his negative qualities come to the fore.
However, I do feel that Fergie's comments are below the belt. He wouldn't have thrown the Keane of 2002 out of the club, but he was happy enough to bomb a player in decline out the door. I think he was biding his time after Keane spoke about how he intimidated refs and encouraged his teams to dive and cheat in games. Fergie gets away with murder with the British media.
Ian Holloway took a halfway decent Blackpool team and got them relegated by refusing to contemplate the idea of defending a two goal lead against the league leaders. And he mouths off too much.
You seem to be implying he has some sort of ability in working with good players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bungle
Any link ? As I find it highly amusing that a guy of his age earning a good living at a good level of the game would publicly admit he had never considered you could do something with the ball other than put your foot through it, until he recently watched Barcelona. A guy who would have watched Cloughs Notts Forest surely. Why publicly say something like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Re Keane, I'd be very wary of player fall outs with him, our small squad needs everyone on board all the time and unity. I cant see him presiding over a happy camp for long. Still lads there who played with him too. High risk.
Thankfully, Jon Snow missed the memo:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bungle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UInG5z7YpQs
He gave a rather uneasy-looking Fergie the grilling that's been sorely missing from the public extravaganza of late.
I was wrong. It wasn't Barcelona - it was Swansea.Quote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
http://www.london24.com/sport/champi...ophy_1_2766946
It would be completely understandable if the FAI have reached this conclusion with regards Keane. That said, if a one-sided autobiography has tipped the balance it's pathetic and really unprofessional.Quote:
Originally Posted by gastric
An easy mistake to make CD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Heh, in this case, one can only hope so!Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
Is McCarthy's contract really that much of a stumbling block financially? Obviously McCarthy wouldn't merit a couple of million a year or whatever it was they were paying Trap, so whatever money would be paid on paying off Ipswich would surely be saved on McCarthy's wages?
Do we want McCarthy back?
Can only really answer that until we know who his actual competitors for the Job are.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
Anyone remember what Mick was on last time for the wc 2002?Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
A substantial increase im guessing would be in order this time around if he were to be offerred it?
Why so?Quote:
Originally Posted by back of the net
You surely know your answer now?
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Originally Posted by BonnieShels
How would I know the answer if I dont know who all the candidates are?
If the only official candidates are o neill and roy then i want mick but i seriously doubt that they are and if the FAI are speaking to others who are interested then It would be silly to pick Mick while there could be other candidates available who may be able to offer more .
Martin O'Neill is the only one mentioned so far that I would want to see get the job. After that Im hoping that the FAI pull out a shocker that we havent even considered yet like they did with Trap. I wasnt his biggest fan in the end but when he was appointed it was good to see that the ambition was there from the FAI
Looks like Pulis might get the Palace job which would take him out of the running and leave MON sweating on the Norwich and Fulham roles.
There's something in the air about MON, seeing as his odds came crashing down with a bang this evening. Not odds on yet but he's nudging Mick off his perch.
The Examiner is saying Ray and Ruudy met with Martin O'Neill in Donegal last week and are due to interview Mick next week. Mick will have a Terry Connor as sidekick with an ex-player as a third coach. Mark Kennedy is believed to be leading the contenders for that role although Carsley, Cunningham and Kilbane are also possibles.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/s...rs-247486.html
Kilbane favours Mick but says Keane would be good. His season taking over when Sunderland were at the bottom of Championship and ended up winning it was a great achievement.
Anyway, looks like things are hotting up.
I meant more in the sense of who you wuld actually like to see in the job.Quote:
Originally Posted by back of the net
It's a reactionary interview process this time, to find a manager who already knows the players and who's based in England.
Would MON have dithered if he'd been offered the England job that time?
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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
I was always under the impression that Roy got a rather large transfer budget when he took over Sunderland though - a considerably large one for a championship club - or do i stand corrected on that ?
I cant remember how far into the season it was when he took over - did he have substantial time to turn things around there?
Kilbane is interviewd on the second captains show on irishtimes - will find it on soundcloud - its a good listen (cant post link as in work and dont have access)
I can't recall how much money he spent but I think he took over after they had lost their first 4 games of the season with Quinn in temporary charge.
I cud well be wrong on the money things
Just remember back then I thought his Promotion with sunderland was overhyped as he had other factors on his side
Looks like were playing Slovenia in Dublin on Nov 15th - decent enough opposition i suppose
Guus Hiddink is definitely out of the running, according to that Examiner piece, although no indication as to how they know exactly. Can it be assumed the FAI/Houghton and Dokter were in touch with him then and he declined?
Wasn't aware Mark Kennedy was a coach at Ipswich now either.
The Ipswich view of Mick?
http://thescore.thejournal.ie/mick-m...facebook_short
Never heard of Soundcloud before BOTN. Thought i had heard all of it all internet wise...obviously not.
Personally (and sadly) don't think there's any current Irishman (who's available/willing) good enough.
Mick would almost be as bad a choice as RMK IMO.
id never doubt ur techno savy awareness crosbyQuote:
Originally Posted by Crosby87
here u go
https://soundcloud.com/secondcaptain...football-24-10
I'd agree. A huge step backwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
His previous era in charge over the course of 2 world cups and 1 and a half European Championships was generally a barren period with some good players minus the obvious exception of the 2002 World Cup whereby we qualified I believe thanks to individual player performances rather than any tactical astuteness on his part.
In fact even in that qualification campaign his management seemed often to hamper us rather than help us, the loss of the 2 goals lead against Holland away, the defensive performances away to Iran and home to Holland and Portugal, his insistence to play Kilbane instead of the immensely more talented Duff is another overriding memory. His loyalty to the likes of David Connolly who was a passenger in almost every game he played when Clinton Morrison was a clearly better option.
The opening few games of the 2204 Euro qualification were also painful to watch and left Kerr with a mountain to climb for the rest of the campaign.
Hopefully the FAI have somebody else in their sites that we have yet to hear about.
Very barren in contrast to what though? We've never been regular finals qualifiers.Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
We had been during the Charlton era before he took over.
Three out of a possible five is undoubtedly a better record than one out of a possible three, although the Charlton era was a deviation from the norm. Our qualification record throughout our history has been fairly barren. How would Charlton have fared had he continued managing through McCarthy's years? McCarthy was left with an ageing side and had to re-build almost from scratch.Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
I don't know how you managed to construe that overriding memory but it was McAteer who had Duff's place not Kilbane. Whenever Duff was used in the 2002 qualifiers, from our 2nd game onwards, he replaced McAteer, except in the home game against Holland where Duff and him played together. Duff was injured after that for the last game and for the play offs. Duff started in the first friendly in 2002 - got injured, in the next friendly against Denmark, Duff was the star.Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
After Mick left, Kerr used both Kilbane and Duff together.
If memory serves correct...mick put duff upfront against the dutch...I think...with kilbane and mcateer on the wings
Also under kerr, kilbane was put in centre mid alot allowing duff to play on the left I thought
Duff was upfront against the Dutch
Always Kerr played Kilbane.
Mick swerved the question when asked on the FLS earlier...
The silence is deafening, does anyone including the FAI and the two muppets in charge of headhunting, know when the new manager will take over and who it will be?
It's turning into a Father Ted episode.
Last thing we need is that glorified pub team manager, as caretaker again.
Clueless!
Get it sorted FFS!
O'Neill seems to be the favoured choice but is now under pressure to commit. If he doesn't then it'll be Mick. That's what The Examiner seems to be saying. I reckon we're going to know a lot more by the end of the week.
I'm not convinced either will have us playing the type of football that even 3rd tier teams seem capable of playing these days, but I think both will bring some order and discipline back and will favour a gameplan that centres around what we do when we have the ball rather than being overly dependent on how we are without the ball.
Whatever people like the doc think of Noel King, I think King's starting point of a fluent 4231 and trusting the players to play it out from the back if that's what they feel is appropriate is the right place to be starting from. I didn't like the balance of King's selections but the principle was broadly right.