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yeah that's my reading of it. this is all dependent on us beating armenia aswell by the way. and i'm not even sure we will be above the turks - there are only a few points in it i think so goals scored in the next game may be a factor. looking at the teams though i'd definitely prefer to be seeded.Quote:
Originally Posted by French Toasht
Its a huge and unfair difference between being seeded and unseeded - The possibility of playing Sweden/Portugal/Croatia/Denmark with the second leg away or Estonia/Bosnia/Montenegro/Scotland with the second leg at home. Fcuking hate UEFA.
Anyone fancy Bosnia leapfrogging (sorry) France and we get the big rematch.
Lithuania beat the Czechs 1-0 in Prague this time last year. Hope for a repeat!Quote:
Originally Posted by French Toasht
we have to not lose against armenia at home to get into the playoffs. surely this match is built for traps team.
were basically in a first round playoff to get into the proper playoff. i cant take another playoff defeat, gonna be brickin it myself by tuesday. just dont blow it please
Expected runner-up/Possible runner-up
A: Turkey, Belgium
C: Serbia, Estonia
D: Bosnia, France
E: Sweden
F: Croatia, Greece
G: Montenegro
H: Denmark, Portugal
I: Czech Republic, Scotland
We've overtaken the Czechs now.
http://www.world-results.net/uefa/ranking.html#2011
Turkey, Bosnia, Montenegro, Czech Rep. are currently behind us.
As things stand we would be seeded. Very tight. We may have to win against Armenia to keep in a seeded position. Remember one of Sweden, Croatia, Denmark will be best runner-up.
Are you sure thats the co-efficients or not the Fifa rankings?Quote:
Originally Posted by Irwin3
100% sure.
That's freaky news Irwin, well done to suss it out. i hope it stands up to scrutiny.
So we are cheering for France against Bosnia. Self interest always comes first.
With the situation still very tight in the rankings, I think it's impossible to call who we will play yet. We also still have to qualify of course.
I think it's very likely that if we beat Armenia the only way we wouldn't be seeded is if Serbia beat Slovenia AND Bosnia beat France.
So we can cheer for Slovenia and Bosnia. Screw the French! They'd then join us as seeds.
But if we come second by only drawing with Armenia then its likely we'll be unseeded?
It'd be very close I think. Our average would go slightly down. You get 20000 for a 0-0. I think we'd be crossing our fingers. The Czechs are 675 points behind us. Turkey are 793 points behind. If these teams win and we draw I'd guess that they'd have a good chance of overtaking us. You get 40000+ for a win so their averages would rise.
Forget the seeding BS, give me a draw on Tuesday and I'll be happy to live to fight another day. We're a tiny country lads.
All well and good. But we'll have to play much better to beat Armenia, let alone win a play-off. Personally don't fancy the former happening, currently.
Reckon the first goal will decide it.
A year is a long time in football....
As Colbert said...we're a wee country. Wee hopes and wee expectations and Trap has done fantastic with weee players...Aye i'm ****ed
You're wee'd?
You're wee'd?
**** the small country ********. Beat Armenia, get seeded and end up with an easier draw. We have wasted enough opportunities over the years, now is the time to stand up and be counted. The rugby boys blew their big chance so let us hope us footie fans have something to plan and dream about next June.
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Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
Amen. Lets get bloody seeded. The playoffs have always been a nightmare for us. Remember how deflated you felt when you heard we drew France? Or had to play Holland in the Euro 96 playoff. If we are unseeded, all those seeded teams will probably beat us (with the exception of the Czechs, and even that is too close to call.) Lets get Bosnia or Montenegro instead for a change.
If we end up missing out on the Euros via a playoff, we wont have lost it against Croatia or whoever we get, we'll have lost it because we didn't beat the Armenians at home.
If we draw we drop about 400 points. A Turkey win would see them gain about 600 points and a Czech win would see them gain about 800 points so they would both overtake us. Of course Belgium and Scotland could theoretically pip the Turks and Czechs to second place in their groups.
my concern is that the FAI / management team won't even be aware of this seeded / unseeded situation and just figure 'don't lose to armenia and we'll be in the playoffs'.
I'm not sure I'd fancy either. I'm scared enough of Armenia.Quote:
Originally Posted by French Toasht
In fairest in looking back in that to 2007 and then 2009 ..... we were 25th placed in europe ..... now under trap ... we up to 15th .... he is doing a good job ..... football not always the great but we are very tough team and its hard to beat us ..... we not conceded a goal in 8 games now ..... roll on Tuesday and get another win!
Tuesday is a fascinating encouter.
The side with the best defensive form in Europe against the side with the best goal scoring form.
Something has got to give.
Wasn't aware of it myself until I'd finished reading up here this afternoon! I say get it wrapped up in a catchy chant and give it loads tuesday night:Quote:
Originally Posted by zero
3 points needed to be seeded! 3 points needed to be seeded!
Absolutely agree. I wouldn't be surprised if Trap and the FAI were ignorant of this.
I remember being appalled watching the RTÉ coverage about a year or so ago when Brady (part of the management team until recently at that stage) had a completely incorrect understanding of the situation regarding James McCarthy's eligability. At that stage, all on here and most other supporters would have know the score - that McCarthy had to play competitively to be tied to us, which he hadn't yet. Brady was more than a little surprised when informed live on air. Even more astounding/worrying was his retort to Bill, upon correction, that 'somebody should tell Trapattoni!'
In that respect, I tend to to fear that the FAI/management are deffo not as 'on the ball' as we'd like to think. Is there anybody on here that may have access to some within the corridors of power who might pass on a gentle reminder of the seeding situation?
First and foremost Trapatonni will be thinking about getting the point we need to get into the play-offs nothing else. If we win great. If we don't make sure we get the point. Are the Czechs and Turks better than Montegero? Not from what I've seen in recent matches. Forget the names of the teams and their footballing history and have a look at how they are actually playing. We want the type of team that we can beat over two games (thats if we get the point we need Tuesday. I believe we will win on Tuesday night).
Not just Trap but the team as well, total focus on getting us through.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar
You can't have seeding on your mind if the score is level with 10 minutes to go. No way would I want the team to have the slightest thought about seeding before this game.
Though we can muse a bit about it, more out of shock that it is within our grasp.
Armenia are going to be extremely up for this. We are really going to have to be at our best. No mistakes, absolute concentration and doggedness in midfield and ensuring that we don't waste clear chances like we have done enough times already in this group.
Check out the link below. The fans celebrate like they've won the bleedin Euros! That is how much they will want it on Tuesday.
http://www.azatutyun.am/content/article/24352805.html
They have been a breath of fresh air Scooby D to be honest. Play some lovely one/two touch football. Nice bunch of fans as well (the ones I've met in New York anyway). But Trapatonni and Tardelli have been brilliant the last week. Gave Andorra the right amount of respect. Said Ireland would come out firing and we did. Won the match in 20 mins. And they will give Armenia ample respect. But unless you have a Messi like player in your team, sides that give away very few goals are usually the ones who triumph over teams that score lots of goals. Shutting off the oxygen supply will be Traps plan on Tuesday.
If we weather the early onslaught we should take advantage of their dodgy defending.
Go for the win. If we play for a draw we are screwed. No way can we fluke another containment.
So, in other words, a win guarantees us seeding and a draw means we won't be seeded.Quote:
Originally Posted by World Football Website Comments Section
Ok, journalists, media, people in the know etc. - this info needs to be put in the wider public domain and to the management so that everyone knows the importance of a win on Tuesday - if we go in with the attitude that a draw is as good as a win, then a draw is the very best we will get. It needs to be understood how important the three points are on Tuesday night so that the players are clear about the situation going into the game.
A seeded playoff would give us a massively improved chance of qualification. None of this we're a small country, we need a miracle crap, what we need is to play the percentages. Two legs against Estonia for qualification anyone?
I'm sorry lads but there is no way Ireland are going to go gung ho on Tuesday. We will try win the game but remember Trap was flirting with starting Fahey against Andorra. Not to create more in midfield but to make sure Whelan would be available for Tuesdays game. We will be defending from the front. There will be loads of high balls to Doyle. The full backs will not be bombing down the wings. Don't mind Giles when he says not to play for a draw. Mr ultra cautious 0-0 himself. We will create enough chances from McGeady, Duff and Doyles knock downs to win on Tuesday. I saw Robbie Keane getting some flack on another thread. I thought he played well within himself last night. One superb bit of play between himself and McGeady. I expect him to score on Tuesday night.
I didn't know those UEFA rankings gave you 500 points for each goal scored.
Anyway it doesn't matter who you are playing, the first and last thought should be to get through the game safely.
You'll never hear any decent manager mention ranking points or seeding places at stake, to his team.
Far too much of a presumption involved.
We're the Cliff Thorburn of international football. We don't do anything other than cautious and methodical. Armenia will be more Alex Higgins.
Thorburn won their big head-to-head (though BBC cut the coverage short cos some Libyans were shooting people in Mayfair).
Keane injury scare?? Mind games beginning perhaps? Or time to get the rosary beads out again?
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,,19692_7231168,00.html
It doesn't need to be mentioned, it just needs to be known by the players and management. This management team has a history of not being aware of these kind of details.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
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Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar
Yes but you are naming three sides that are ALL likely to be unseeded. I want any of them over the likes of Croatia.
Not the crisis it might have been 6 years ago. Long & Walters are both decent replacements, and maybe Doyle will relish being the senior striker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scooby Doo