Slight correction, Celtic were runners up to Villa in 09/10 and not Town.Quote:
Originally Posted by Honestman
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Slight correction, Celtic were runners up to Villa in 09/10 and not Town.Quote:
Originally Posted by Honestman
I have to agree with ya Pony why bother entering teams into a league if you are not willing to go to the premier league it was always the wilderness objective to get to premier league and when they did havnt they done an excellent job there.people on here were saying that st.nicholas didnt want to go up if they didnt win the 1st division so can someone tell me what would the difference have been if they went up as champions or runners up they would still have to play in the premier league.If there not happy why not go back to the 4th division.It is also why im in favour of B teams been allowed up to the premier league.
Take a look at the nine clubs which started in the 1st division this season. I can assure you FIVE of them had no interest in going into the Premier league and a sixth, a 'B' team couldn't. I may not agree with it, I may not like it, but that is a fact.
I stand corrected Roberto
Don't know how you can make such a sweeping statement. A few months back people were posting here about how close and exciting the first division was and now you're suggesting that up to 5 teams were playing games that they may not have been interested in winning.Quote:
Originally Posted by nononsense
fact it borris are the only team with genuine ambition to do anything in the premier
if the saints go on to lift the big one would it be fair to say that the tsdl is the best league in the country. beaten finalists in fai last year and in the munster final. this year we have munster champions and fai finalists . and saying that they still cannot get their hands on the league title. it says a lot in my opinion. some top class players and teams around, understandable that 1st division teams struggle, could you see st nicks or galbally doing the business in the aul premier for example?
I know that because I attended a first division game almost every week and spoke to most of the clubs' mentors. It is not a sweeping statement. It is a known fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roberto
What exactly are Borris going to do?? if they finish 3rd last and stay up it will be a success for themQuote:
Originally Posted by the wombat
maybe it will be but at least they will try. believe me their manager has no intention of making up the numbers and i expect quite a few new faces out there for pre seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by stelling
There is a huge difference between club mentors expressing concerns about whether they could survive in the Premier League and teams deliberately not doing their best in games to avoid winning (i.e. cheating). I don't know what you are suggesting. If it is the latter produce some evidence i.e. results from the First Division over the past season that would be considered 'surprises/upsets'.Quote:
Originally Posted by nononsense
Will the management at Borris take the club down the same road it has done previously with other clubs ie Kilkenny,Cashel, Villa, success will come but at what long term price to the club? Will many local players make the cut, as the team that won the 1st division will not win the premier league, so new faces are a certainty. Should be interesting tug of war for players from Villa and Cashel. If Celtic make a few key signings I believe they can at last win the league. Michaels inability to win the league over the past years must hurt.... I would like to wish them the best of luck in FAI final, I hope they grab the opportunity with both hands.
[QUOTE=the wombat;1487428]maybe it will be but at least they will try. believe me their manager has no intention of making up the numbers and i expect quite a few new faces out there for pre season[/QUO
Well it would be great for the league if they do assemble a strong squad,more competition the better the games
well for all those celtic fans like roberto and ponyobrien and also townfan who never had the experience of tryin to gather lads from a rural area to play on a sunday morning i think you should try it sometime, not everyone has and should have aspirations to get the premier league, some lads are out for the enjoyment and that is st nicholas level. its very easy speak like that when you have the pick of clonmel to choose from and also with the luxury of b teams and youth teams to fall back on, come to the rural area and find out whats its like to run a team!
Its not as easy as you think in Clonmel. There are 7 junior teams in the town.Quote:
Originally Posted by SgtBilko
with a population of 20000
Have a look at the results yourself - they are all on the tsdl website. Take particular note of the results in the second-half of the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roberto
Well said again sgtbilko. There is a huge difference between running a club in a densely populated area compared to running a club in a rural parish. St.Nicholas operate from the small parish of Solohead. They have a base - a local identity. Their motto is to keep the club community based - a club from the parish for the parish. The first division is their comfort zone. Other posters have said Borris will now strengthened their team to compete in the Premier division. That means they have to go outside their community. Fine if that is their club policy - local players will have to make way for these new signings. Some clubs just do not want to operate like that and quite a few of those clubs are in the first division where they are happiest.
Willie Mulcaire and Tommy Gaynor will have notions of coming up and signing 7 or 8 players to try and win the league,i do not think it will happen though,i think that day is gone where they will have that kind of pull,the players are not out there,Villa are in a lot of trouble but if Donal Duggan,Alan Leahy,Jody O Grady,David Maher,Aaron Ryan all stay then i think Villa will still be the stronger side
Ok this debate about St Nicks could go on and on.... So they should head to the premier league with no pressure other than to compete and enjoy the season and see where it will take them, and learn from the experience. Has Mick Ryan left Villa as I notice you did'nt include him in
your list Mega Tots????
Wasn't impressed with St.Nicholas past few games and I do think they did "throw" the games. They only needed a point for promotion in their last 3 or 4 games and went to Old Bridge with 10 players, no goalkeeper and were just messing through the whole game. They finished with 9 men and lost 5-0. The players did say before hand to some Old Bridge lads that they had no intentions on going up. I must say fair play to Old Bridge for going out against Moyglass last week and going to win the game to make sure St.Nicholas go up even though they didn't want to. Bridge could have easily gave the game to Moyglass and let them try win their last game and go up.
Old Bridge would have no problem going up but had a bad start to year but great 2nd half taking 19pts form 24. Bridge don't have the facilities but still would have gone up as they have the ambition to play in the top league. Nicholas have all the facilities and support so why wouldn't they want to go play against the better teams. Think it was bad form.
Well said greenlane to be fair the Bridge have been up and down a lot of times and still have the desire to go play in the premier league more teams should follow their act...and enough about this its harder to run a team because they are a small community its equally as hard in populated areas.
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Originally Posted by GreenLane08
And nononsense has no problem with the way St Nicholas 'behaved' against Old Bridge?? More carry on like that will ruin the game. And if they are so parochial why don't they take up hurling or football. Fair play to the Bridge, not afraid of going up or down and always give a good honest account of themselves.
I'm not connected with St.Nicholas so not concerned about the game against Old Bridge. Simply saying it as it is in the First division. I think a previous poster has said this debate has gone on long enough so I will make no further comment on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roberto
Lads is there any truth that Kevin Waters is signing for Celtic,heard that this evening,Celtic might be a force next season if that is true
dont think he is with limerick or waterford at present so it could be a possibility. what a signing he would be for celtic, with him and few other new signings they would give league a fair rattle next season
Yea thats a 100% certain he is signing for celtic next year...they still wont mount a challenge for the league i think tho
big mistake waters signin for celtic, celtic wont win a premier in the next couple of years, they are not diciplined enough over a season between this that and the other, surprised waters didnt go back to clonmel town, im sure they would be delighted to have him back
He will not be signing for Clonmel Town, His brother Brian already plays with Celtic and i'm sure that would have an influence in his decision. Clonmel Celtic will not be that far away next season, they only lost one game last season.
Whats happening with Peake at all? Will there be a strong team there next year? A New manager....every time they begin to get a bit of success the lose the rag up there
I heard danny graham is gone from villa, i presume they didnt want him again because i say he would have lovin the job. Good coach who took em over when they were in a bad way. A bit like dalglish im sure he would think :D
so i wonder have they a new manager already got or are they still lookin.
danny graham did his best and would know his stuff. the problem is not the manager but the club. they dont care about senior football and are trying to concentrate on schoolboys. villa are in big trouble, believe it.Quote:
Originally Posted by footballfanatic
Ok you are after comparing Danny to Daglish,and all this after the poem you already inflicted us too,i have serious concerns about your mental health,Villa have nobody lined up to answer your question but i can assure you we will be stronger than Borris come August
the borris peake derby looking good already for next season :)
in fairness, dalglish and danny are very similar, both only after takin up new jobs and did well. both good for a goal in there playin days ;)
I wouldnt be so sure, i think borris will give it a good rattle next year and finish above villa on the league. I think borris will be 4th or 5th and i for one would think that would be a great achievment. maybe a good run in a cup and that would be a good year back in the top flight i think.
ya balls, it will be good to have it back, its one of them games you would miss when its gone.
ya its usually a good fixture to be fair. how do you think borris would react to outside signings football fanatic?? by the way, as things stand i expect borris to be well clear of peake in the table next seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by footballfanatic
i say they would be kicked 3 foot into the air on the first trainin session and told, WELCOME TO PARADICE :)
Ano, i dont think there wouldnt be any problem to be honest, i would expect the manager to keep the nucleus of side from this year anyway with a few additions...(i havent a clue who though). Interesting times ahead.
Ah villa will be strong again next year i reckon, i think theres a few lads here tryin to fool us and sayin they are finished. Dont be suprised to see a big villa backlash next season.
Good to see Daily Stars man of the match last Sunday was Paul Breen. when one remembers he was very sick all week up to half an hour before the game his display got 9/10. How they chose Keith Hartnett, the Pike Rovers captain, baffled everyone, even Pike. Paul Breen is now recognised as the best junior/amateur player in the country and his performances over the years are consistent and top class. Isn't it baffling to note he has NEVER received even a NOMINATION from the TSDL Referees.
agree totally with you nononense, breen is a collosus, michaels missed his aerial doominance at set pieces in the final as he stayed back for everyone of them, he is the best centre half the league has seen in a long time, on your point about the referees awards, they sure have come up with some red herrings over the years, does not surprise me he is never picked! hartnett was very poor last sunday, thought wayne colbert or colm enright was man of the match
Thought paul breen was definatly best st michaels player on the day.Also thought pa quin was leading line very well and unlucky to be taken off.