There should be a sinbinning for interminable negativity.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
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There should be a sinbinning for interminable negativity.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
So that's Trap screwed then...
Two forwards and two wingers - very negative ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
When was this?
Do tell...
Walters, Cox, Keogh and Lawrence are wingers?Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
duff, mcgeady, keane and doyle were his preferred first choice in those positions until Duff retired. two out and out wingers and two out and out strikersQuote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
And two central midfielders who got a wolf whistle from Trap when they ventured forward, two full backs rarely allowed past the half way line, and a team instructed to play en masse behind the ball without putting a tackle in. The full backs are the key. Attacking full backs change the dynamic of 442, or any shape, completely. Good teams attack as a unit. Under Trap we had a 4 man attacking unit -except from set pieces- and at least a 7 man defending unit
You can cite 442 all you want but we played cautiously throughout Trap's tenure.
and were relatively successful at the same time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
how we set out to play is a fine line given the players at our disdposal
It's interesting that we're talking about playing attacking full backs, but Italy under Prandelli are playing without any wingers at all and their full backs get up and down all day long. It's a long way from Catenaccio.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
I was only responding to the suggestion that Trap wasn't negative. That's how this bit of the thread started. I'd be all on for negativity again if it had positive results. I think the game has changed since 2008-10 though, and no doubt it will change again. Right now you need to be very good at playing negatively and I don't think that's our strength right now though? Owls Fan is indifferent to how we play as long as we qualify. I'd agree to an extent, but think it goes further: how you play is likely to determine how far you go. Relying on hoofball is unlikely to cut the mustard against anyone these days, not over the course of a ten game campaign. Playing higher tempo and pressing the ball is more likely to lead to a successful campaign.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
Arsenal's invincibles played without any wingers too. I think we're in agreement. Nominally, shape means nothing in regard to whether a team is attack or defence minded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
But how invincible were they really? They only won one trophy that season, accumulated a fairly standard winning points total and lost six in all competitions. I realise this is completely beside the point though :)
O'Neill has confirmed that Roy is in talks with Villa, no more news.
Sums it all up..
http://thescore.thejournal.ie/roy-ke...10573-Oct2014/
Keane rejected a move to Real Madrid to play for Celtic.
On a related note, is there any point buying the new book when virtually the entire thing has already been posted on the Irish Independent?
http://thescore.thejournal.ie/roy-ke...09915-Oct2014/
Alf-Inge Haaland hits back at Roy Keane with Saddam Hussein comparison
For a lad that demands such high standards, I think it's very unprofessional of him that it is this week that his book is being released and extracts published in the paper.
The timing of the book's publication only serves as a needless distraction in the run-up to two important games and it is a bit inconsiderate. In his (slim) defence, however, neither he nor the publishers had anything to do with the extracts being published early (as far as we know). The reason why pretty much the entire book has been made public before tomorrow's official release date is because a Tesco store in Burnage, Manchester erroneously made copies available for sale last Monday morning before realising their mistake and removing them from sale again. By that time though, a journalist had managed to get his hands on a copy, so it's not as if he was going to keep it a secret.
Maybe the leaking was a promotional gimmick; it has generated a huge amount of publicity, after all.
This kind of thing was inevitable with Keane's appointment. Wait until he starts clashing with players or having a go at fans or whatever. Then the media circus will really get going.
what kind of thing?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter
there doesn't appear to be too much about Ireland in the book so I fail to see how a few stories about Keanes relationship with Alex Ferguson and how he still hates Alf Inge Halland has the slightest affect on the preparation for the upcoming games.
The FAI should stage a special session of Roy reading extracts from his book live from the AVIVA, an hour before the Gib game. It'd double the attendance.
Actually, this is a potentially good thing?
Takes the pressure off discussion about the imminent minnows who we should be humping and then receiving similar from the World Champs...
or get Liverpool and Celtics under 10s perform the half time kick about. surely this would add a few thousand hard core football fans to the attendance?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
And it actually reminds the public that football exists and from time to time an Irishman is a key protagonist. If it wasn't for Keane all the media chat would be about not having any decent players, Grealish, Stephen Ireland and any other disruptive nonsense they can think of.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Press conferences have been devoted to it and it seems Martin and the players are being asked for their thoughts on it when approached by reporters. Maybe it's not so much of a big deal and they can all remain fully-focused (or perhaps it even takes some of the spotlight and pressure off, as AB says), but I suspect it's the type of distraction for which Roy would have very little time if it were centred around another member of staff or one of his players.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
Even James McClean has revealed he's just started penning his own memoirs (book of tweets) now!: http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/s...ll-290514.html
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Originally Posted by John Fallon
Harry Redknapp is alleged to have claimed Roy was once a timid soul: http://balls.ie/football/one-hell-of...app-roy-keane/
I won't believe it until I've heard it from the horse's mouth, straight out the driver window of his 4x4 in the QPR carpark!Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Redknapp
Feeling paranoid this morning?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingdom
Karma, isn't it?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
We'd all wish for bad things to happen to you, Kingdom! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Kingdom
Ack, I like him. He's a solid worker and puts his head down. He can brash and outspoken, sure, but it makes a colourful change from the utterly neutral, robotic and personality-less James Milner types who peddle nothing but the same old hackneyed platitudes and clichés. He's a local lad too, which, of course, helps. But just so you don't think I'm completely biased due to that, I'm not as keen on Gibson's attitude. :)
And people think I'm a cynic...Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
;)
Hopefully it would be more competitive than the 'main event'...Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
This week, I've been in complete awe of Roy's beard (maybe even more so than anything the scorching book revelations could stir within me), but here's what the ladies think...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qUFAdKVFlU
Enjoying it so far. Probably a quarter of the way through. Just got to the bit where Fergie and himself having their big 'fall out'.
Has some nice things to say about Brian Kerr.
Well written (no surprises with Doyle's involvement). I contrast this with the Neville book I recently read which was dross.
We have two matches to play between now and next week. I open a paper to read about them and this is all I see:
There is something wrong here.
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And you've just posted that here when we have two matches to play. Do you see the irony in that ? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Deckydee
The following quote is from Roy's book: "If training starts at half past ten and a player is coming in at twenty past ten I would class that as being late."
Didn't he only go and show up late for his press conference earlier?
The sad thing is that Mick McCarthy was more important to Roy than Ireland. That is something to regret.
If it's any consolation, the feeling was never mutual .
D'oh ;)
Yes the Neville book was absolutely dreadful.Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982