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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

Well, seeing as you asked

He was holding less than ten a month until September according to this - https://www.axios.com/2024/09/22/tru...llies-schedule - have you any evidence of the 3-5 a day after that?

convicted of 34 counts of falsifying business records in May. That makes him a convicted criminal, or crook.

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On November 3 he had rallies in Derry NH, Lancaster PA, Kinston NC and Macon GA
Below is a testament to his stamina from his soon-to-be press secretary, Karoline Leavitt

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DCAP6pwhvOr/

And regarding the 34 counts (felonies), you didn't really get my original point, I guess? He spent the first 70 years of his life without a blemish on his record, but all of a sudden when he enters politics he is swimming in indictments and felonies. Surely you can see the forest from the trees?

Of course, you can call Trump any name you want. He is technically a felon and a criminal if he has stood in front of a judge and been convicted of a crime. But that supposes that justice and the law has been served in the first place? And in the case of Donald Trump it clearly has not been served. Do we know of any other president who has been convicted of falsifying business records? None other than Trump that is, - the law applies only to him. Neither you or I Tets, would want one of our family members to be treated by the legal system, be it in Ireland or America, the way Donald Trump has been singularly treated over the last few years.

What about the charge against him in NYC? Trump was charged with falsifying the value of his Mar-A-Largo home. What a Florida property has to do with New York is anyone's guess but so be it. The New York prosecutors valued it, from 1200 miles away, at $18 million. More realistic real estate people valued it closer to $150 million. Anyway, Trump borrowed money against the value of the Florida property. The bank was happy to lend it to him. He paid it back to the bank in short order. The bank was happy, he was happy and the deal was over and done with. No one but no one was harmed in any way. But that wasn't good enough for the NYC prosecutors who went fishing for a crime and came up with nothing. Nothing that is except their perception of what a crime is. It was a new one that the legal profession in NYC had never heard of, but Trump had to be prevented from getting to the White House so why not let them charge him with what they want to?

Do we know of any other president who has had his home raided and his family kicked out for 12 hours (a period of time when anything could have been planted anywhere) all in the pursuit of federally protected records? How was good old Joe treated (that would be Vice President Joe, who had no right to presidential records) when items were found at his residence? That one got brushed under the rug really quickly. But Trump, to the best of my knowledge, is still not out of the woods for the similar charge against him.

As far as the 34 counts against Trump? Who was he convicted by? A group of people who have used the Department of Justice to wage war against the leader of the opposition (as he was throughout the campaign).
That is the stuff of tyrannical third-world countries, yet none of the Trump haters happened to equate that. And what Trump did was so egregious, his actions were so, so terrible, that they are being considered for extinction in the days since the election. It was all political, every ounce of it. Just like the names they have called Trump for the last several years, the charges against him were totally bogus.

Absolutely astonishing how these neo nazi s are trying to put a reasonable image on this pig.
He not only treats people like ****, he also committed treason against his own country, and himself and bannon, kushner et al should be wearing orange jump suits in a real country.
USA, r.i.p.

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Originally Posted by mark12345

On November 3 he had rallies in Derry NH, Lancaster PA, Kinston NC and Macon GA
Below is a testament to his stamina from his soon-to-be press secretary, Karoline Leavitt

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DCAP6pwhvOr/

And regarding the 34 counts (felonies), you didn't really get my original point, I guess? He spent the first 70 years of his life without a blemish on his record, but all of a sudden when he enters politics he is swimming in indictments and felonies. Surely you can see the forest from the trees?

Of course, you can call Trump any name you want. He is technically a felon and a criminal if he has stood in front of a judge and been convicted of a crime. But that supposes that justice and the law has been served in the first place? And in the case of Donald Trump it clearly has not been served. Do we know of any other president who has been convicted of falsifying business records? None other than Trump that is, - the law applies only to him. Neither you or I Tets, would want one of our family members to be treated by the legal system, be it in Ireland or America, the way Donald Trump has been singularly treated over the last few years.

What about the charge against him in NYC? Trump was charged with falsifying the value of his Mar-A-Largo home. What a Florida property has to do with New York is anyone's guess but so be it. The New York prosecutors valued it, from 1200 miles away, at $18 million. More realistic real estate people valued it closer to $150 million. Anyway, Trump borrowed money against the value of the Florida property. The bank was happy to lend it to him. He paid it back to the bank in short order. The bank was happy, he was happy and the deal was over and done with. No one but no one was harmed in any way. But that wasn't good enough for the NYC prosecutors who went fishing for a crime and came up with nothing. Nothing that is except their perception of what a crime is. It was a new one that the legal profession in NYC had never heard of, but Trump had to be prevented from getting to the White House so why not let them charge him with what they want to?

Do we know of any other president who has had his home raided and his family kicked out for 12 hours (a period of time when anything could have been planted anywhere) all in the pursuit of federally protected records? How was good old Joe treated (that would be Vice President Joe, who had no right to presidential records) when items were found at his residence? That one got brushed under the rug really quickly. But Trump, to the best of my knowledge, is still not out of the woods for the similar charge against him.

As far as the 34 counts against Trump? Who was he convicted by? A group of people who have used the Department of Justice to wage war against the leader of the opposition (as he was throughout the campaign).
That is the stuff of tyrannical third-world countries, yet none of the Trump haters happened to equate that. And what Trump did was so egregious, his actions were so, so terrible, that they are being considered for extinction in the days since the election. It was all political, every ounce of it. Just like the names they have called Trump for the last several years, the charges against him were totally bogus.

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Excellent post.

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Originally Posted by mark12345

On November 3 he had rallies in Derry NH, Lancaster PA, Kinston NC and Macon GA
Below is a testament to his stamina from his soon-to-be press secretary, Karoline Leavitt

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DCAP6pwhvOr/

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There's a list of his rallies here - https://www.uspresidentialelectionne...ally-schedule/
He did 3 that day, also three the day before, and four the day after.
From the 1st October until that day, he did one-two a day, and none on October 2nd and 8th, so he did three rallies in a single day twice, four rallies once, both at the very end of his campaign, and never did five.

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Originally Posted by mark12345

And regarding the 34 counts (felonies), you didn't really get my original point, I guess? He spent the first 70 years of his life without a blemish on his record, but all of a sudden when he enters politics he is swimming in indictments and felonies. Surely you can see the forest from the trees?

Of course, you can call Trump any name you want. He is technically a felon and a criminal if he has stood in front of a judge and been convicted of a crime. But that supposes that justice and the law has been served in the first place? And in the case of Donald Trump it clearly has not been served. Do we know of any other president who has been convicted of falsifying business records? None other than Trump that is, - the law applies only to him. Neither you or I Tets, would want one of our family members to be treated by the legal system, be it in Ireland or America, the way Donald Trump has been singularly treated over the last few years.

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I, for one, would hope that I, or any member of my family, would also be convicted of 34 counts of fraud, if I, or any member of my family, had committed 34 counts of fraud.

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Originally Posted by mark12345

What about the charge against him in NYC? Trump was charged with falsifying the value of his Mar-A-Largo home. What a Florida property has to do with New York is anyone's guess but so be it. The New York prosecutors valued it, from 1200 miles away, at $18 million. More realistic real estate people valued it closer to $150 million. Anyway, Trump borrowed money against the value of the Florida property. The bank was happy to lend it to him. He paid it back to the bank in short order. The bank was happy, he was happy and the deal was over and done with. No one but no one was harmed in any way. But that wasn't good enough for the NYC prosecutors who went fishing for a crime and came up with nothing. Nothing that is except their perception of what a crime is. It was a new one that the legal profession in NYC had never heard of, but Trump had to be prevented from getting to the White House so why not let them charge him with what they want to?

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The charges were all related to payments to a porn star to keep quiet about their affair, so it wouldn't come out during his first campaign. that he falsified to make it look like a campaign payment.
from https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65181178

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The charges all relate to a $130,000 hush-money payment by lawyer Michael Cohen to adult film star Stormy Daniels just before 2016 election in order to prevent her from talking about her allegations that she had an affair with Mr Trump in 2007.

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Originally Posted by mark12345

Do we know of any other president who has had his home raided and his family kicked out for 12 hours (a period of time when anything could have been planted anywhere) all in the pursuit of federally protected records? How was good old Joe treated (that would be Vice President Joe, who had no right to presidential records) when items were found at his residence? That one got brushed under the rug really quickly. But Trump, to the best of my knowledge, is still not out of the woods for the similar charge against him.

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Biden's home was searched for 13 hours by the FBI - https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/21/p...nts/index.html

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Bob Bauer, the president’s personal attorney, said in a statement that during the search, which took place over nearly 13 hours Friday, “DOJ took possession of materials it deemed within the scope of its inquiry, including six items consisting of documents with classification markings and surrounding materials, some of which were from the President’s service in the Senate and some of which were from his tenure as Vice President. DOJ also took for further review personally handwritten notes from the vice-presidential years.”

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Originally Posted by mark12345

As far as the 34 counts against Trump? Who was he convicted by? A group of people who have used the Department of Justice to wage war against the leader of the opposition (as he was throughout the campaign).
That is the stuff of tyrannical third-world countries, yet none of the Trump haters happened to equate that. And what Trump did was so egregious, his actions were so, so terrible, that they are being considered for extinction in the days since the election. It was all political, every ounce of it. Just like the names they have called Trump for the last several years, the charges against him were totally bogus.

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He was convicted by a jury of his peers, same as everyone else who faces justice.

I see America is now giving Anti Personnel Mines to the Ukraine now !

Give Ukraine everything they need. They are defending their country against a disgusting, autocratic, aggressive regime. They see all the former Soviet areas as theirs and indeed pretty much anyone who was in the Warsaw Pact.

I would include Ireland in that too, this is a black and white issue to me, there should be no neutrality in a case like this, just give them what they need to win.

Letting Putin get his way in any way shape or form is far more dangerous than appeasing him.

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Originally Posted by mark12345

Well, you say the US is an outlier in the Western world in terms of healthcare and life expectancy. Don't get me started on US healthcare.... or lack thereof. Let me put it to you this way. You turn on a football game on a Sunday afternoon (American football that is) and the commercials throughout the first half are all about chicken wings and burgers and all manner of foods. Then comes the second half of the game and your commercials change to antacids and digestive medication. The point being that healthcare in America is a big money-making industry. They bamboozle the nation into eating unhealthy foods and then come running to the rescue with taxpayer-funded medications. They have their own lobbyists who go to Washington every couple of years in order to make sure politicians vote in favor of their needs. It is alleged that for every $20 spent on a new drug in America, $19 goes to advertising and $1 goes towards research.

So the healthcare industry is more interested in keeping you dependent on drugs (unhealthy in other words) than curing you. In that regard, Robert Kennedy, who is about to become Trump's healthcare overlord, is going to go to town on American healthcare. He has already said he wants to take fluoride out of the water as it causes cancer in adults (and kids) and he is also going to take the additives out of foods (we here in America have a lot of additives in our foods, apparently, which you do not allow in Europe). It does not surprise me in the least. And my own opinion on this is......I don't care how much a person does not like Donald Trump, if he or she does not support Kennedy's upcoming crusade on the food / pharmaceutical industries......well how can anyone take them seriously?

And one more thing - why has no other politician before Kennedy / Trump brought this particular issue to light? I think you can figure out the answer to that one.

One other note on healthcare: Hospitals are closing at an alarming rate—four recently in Massachusetts. Overcrowding is the norm, and with that many more people to treat because of immigration, it is quite chaotic in present-day America. This is a very serious issue that is not getting the attention it deserves in the media. Why? Because it would show the current administration in a bad light.

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I think there's an awful lot of waffle here to be honest. And I get the idea that the Democrats are useless cash-grabbing evil guys too. America's problem is it doesn't have a functioning democracy. If you don't like Party A, your only other choice is Party A. I get that. But that's no reason to crow over Trump getting elected and nominating a really dangerous conspiracy theorist to health.

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Originally Posted by mark12345

I have no idea if the video is a product of AI or attributable to bots. But I was asked to show evidence and that I did.

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Bit of a contradiction in terms there. You've no idea if the video (well, the comments - the video wasn't in support of Trump) is legit, which means you didn't show evidence.

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Originally Posted by mark12345

I don't see Donald Trump holding against the Irish people. Indeed he may be the buffer between the world and WW3 if no one is able to intervene between Biden and his war happy handlers.

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Trump in supporting Russia and Israel is far more likely to cause WW3 than stop it, for the reasons Mr A has noted. WW2 ended because Hitler was defeated. Had he been victorious, he would have just kept going, and there would have been ongoing resistance.

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Originally Posted by mark12345

Why do I find the video refreshing? Because for the longest time, I have heard Irish people, including some family members, criticize Donald Trump. And now they are congratulating him? Why? It's like they (like millions of Americans) have seen the light, and that to me is refreshing.

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This is another nothing answer. They've "seen the light"? What does that even mean?

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Originally Posted by mark12345

On another note, I would be interested to know your thoughts on the media throughout the Western world? It is my firm belief that our current problems begin and end with the media. Surely, you don't believe that they are telling us all of the truth all of the time? If you don't believe they are, that makes you perceptive, intelligent and quite normal to be honest. So I think you and I have that in common.

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This is a rather disingenuous paragraph to be honest. You start off my asking me a question, and then conclude by answering it for me and saying we have lots in common because I believe your conspiracy.

The media isn't perfect. But then none of us are. They buy far too much into the idea that we need to keep pumping the global economy at the cost of all else. And there's paid features in papers and probably on TV too, which you have to take with a pinch of salt. But do I believe they purposely mislead us? That's one you'd need to quantify for me to be honest. I don't think we have anything really akin to Fox News over here to be honest. (Maybe the Daily Mail is a bit Fox News Lite?)

When I hear Trump attack media outlets as fake news, he's the one I doubt, not the media.

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Originally Posted by Mr A

Give Ukraine everything they need. They are defending their country against a disgusting, autocratic, aggressive regime. They see all the former Soviet areas as theirs and indeed pretty much anyone who was in the Warsaw Pact.

I would include Ireland in that too, this is a black and white issue to me, there should be no neutrality in a case like this, just give them what they need to win.

Letting Putin get his way in any way shape or form is far more dangerous than appeasing him.

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I agree with this overall, but i do wonder about the ethics of the decision on the landmines... even if they are not as "dangerous" as some of the predecessor versions. Its ok in this case cos the other side is evil doesnt sit well with me in principle...

On the missiles... your point is definitely valid in terms of giving them what is needed to win but I think it is a) interesting that it is happening so late in the Biden game and b) irresponsible if you believe that Putin is actually the existential threat that we are told he is (and he appears to be) and where he has allies that are arguably even more dangerous, deranged or despotic. That said... I dont know what other levers are left to pull that dont involve a military escalation. But the possible outcomes of this type of escalation are quite terrifying too.

I'll throw this alternative approach in here for some fun... https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-r...biggest-anthem

On Mr A’s post I think anything the American’s do now is too little too late in terms of Ukraine winning any sort of victory,their army is too depleted and support is waning,Scholz literally ringing up Putin for a chat the other day will have a lot of Eastern and Central Europeans very alarmed,the Russians and the Germans would do business again tomorrow if they could ……..

But just on the WW3/Nuclear rhetoric that’s currently happening ,this has been a very effective information warfare tactic the Russians have been using for a long time,if leaders in the west bowed to this while obviously not to be taken lightly they might aswell just roll over and have their belly tickled,Crimea has been Russia for 10 years apparently and they have been used there for quite a while and nothing happened,what’s the difference now?

Accompanied tweet to illustrate the above…

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Originally Posted by seanfhear

I see America is now giving Anti Personnel Mines to the Ukraine now !

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I saw that myself Sean. Absolute insanity.

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

I think there's an awful lot of waffle here to be honest. And I get the idea that the Democrats are useless cash-grabbing evil guys too. America's problem is it doesn't have a functioning democracy. If you don't like Party A, your only other choice is Party A. I get that. But that's no reason to crow over Trump getting elected and nominating a really dangerous conspiracy theorist to health.


Bit of a contradiction in terms there. You've no idea if the video (well, the comments - the video wasn't in support of Trump) is legit, which means you didn't show evidence.


Trump in supporting Russia and Israel is far more likely to cause WW3 than stop it, for the reasons Mr A has noted. WW2 ended because Hitler was defeated. Had he been victorious, he would have just kept going, and there would have been ongoing resistance.


This is another nothing answer. They've "seen the light"? What does that even mean?


This is a rather disingenuous paragraph to be honest. You start off my asking me a question, and then conclude by answering it for me and saying we have lots in common because I believe your conspiracy.

The media isn't perfect. But then none of us are. They buy far too much into the idea that we need to keep pumping the global economy at the cost of all else. And there's paid features in papers and probably on TV too, which you have to take with a pinch of salt. But do I believe they purposely mislead us? That's one you'd need to quantify for me to be honest. I don't think we have anything really akin to Fox News over here to be honest. (Maybe the Daily Mail is a bit Fox News Lite?)

When I hear Trump attack media outlets as fake news, he's the one I doubt, not the media.

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A couple of things.........

Trump called the media outlets fake news, it started a few years ago. And now it's a common phrase among Americans. They, like you, didn't really go for it in the beginning, but they sure do now. I have been listening for quite some time to Fox and Newsmax hosts and quite a few on radio stations, call the mainstream media "fake news." It was a phrase coined by Trump but the public are well on board with it. And the fact that CNN are laying off staff, and MSNBC is rumoured to be up for sale soon, is as much a testament to the public's lack of belief in the media's honesty as is the dwindling viewing numbers.

Joe Rogan and Tucker Carlson have their own platforms and command much bigger audiences than the MSM.

"They've seen the light" (at least I hope they have) in that they have discovered that Trump isn't the monster the media has made him out to be. They (the media) have lied repeatedly about him and hopefully the people of Ireland are finally seeing through those lies. When you think of it, some 215 million Americans have voted for Donald Trump since 2016. Are they all nazis, facists, bigots, white supremcists.....use whatever name you want? Remember these are many of the same people who voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012. The media have carried the water for the Democrats and have given a voice to these labels which have been put on people. And I again point to the fact that morning show hosts Joe Scarborough and Mika Brezinsky likened Trump to Hitler and then went to his house to sit down and have a chat with him last weekend. And they expect to be taken seriously? If they really believed what they said, why did they go?

Rosie O'Donnell, an avid viewer of their show, said she will not watch them again.
And then there's Biden, who could not say enough bad things about Trump, but he also sat down and shook his hand and had a laugh with him. We can call it hypocrisy or we can call it what it really is, lies and utter lies in the first instance.

Trump is supporting Russia and Israel? Israel yes, but Russia? Has he said anything like that? I didn't hear it. What I did hear him say is that he wants to end the war in Ukraine and stop the carnage. Funny thing is, as soon as he says he wants to stop the war, the politicians in Washington pull out all the stops to keep the war going. America has given $183 billion so far to this war. Honest question - do you think the war would still be going on without that money? And do you think all of that money went to the war effort? But what I find stunning is that you speak about Trump being likely to cause WW3. You're having a laugh, please tell me you are. Did you mean to say Biden?

And about the video / AI etc, I have no idea what you are saying? You asked me for video evidence, I gave it to you. I didn't make the video and I don't know who did. Do you?

And about America not being a functioning democracy, you're right. It is not a functioning democracy. It is not a democracy. It is a republic. But, I think what you're alluding to is the fact that the election system in America is not functioning. No argument there 0 it is a complete shambles. Do you know there are people still counting votes in some states - the election was 15 days ago. Tell me that is not a rigged system.

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

There's a list of his rallies here - https://www.uspresidentialelectionne...ally-schedule/
He did 3 that day, also three the day before, and four the day after.
From the 1st October until that day, he did one-two a day, and none on October 2nd and 8th, so he did three rallies in a single day twice, four rallies once, both at the very end of his campaign, and never did five.

I, for one, would hope that I, or any member of my family, would also be convicted of 34 counts of fraud, if I, or any member of my family, had committed 34 counts of fraud.

The charges were all related to payments to a porn star to keep quiet about their affair, so it wouldn't come out during his first campaign. that he falsified to make it look like a campaign payment.
from https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65181178

Biden's home was searched for 13 hours by the FBI - https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/21/p...nts/index.html


He was convicted by a jury of his peers, same as everyone else who faces justice.

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A jury of his peers? Who might his peers be? It's difficult to understand your logic here. The law is the law and it is intended to be applied equally to every citizen, including presidents. I have clearly shown you that there is one law for Trump and another for everyone else. Regarding the presidential records they raided his house for, has any other president been charged with such a crime? No they haven't. What about Obama when he took a large haul of papers out of the White House after his tenure? How did that court case go? Oh that's right, there wasn't one. And how did Vice President Biden's court case go? That would be a vice president who had no clearance to take any such papers from the White House. He should have been charged on that basis alone but he has not been brought in front of a judge at all. The Bush's, they surely took their share of presidential papers from the White House - why not it was the norm. But once it's Trump, let's find a new twist in the law in order to charge him.

Peers? Would they be the peers in the FBI who held onto Hunter Biden's laptop for over a year and knew its contents but kept it hidden from the public? Or would they be the 51 intelligence officers who lied (and will now be facing indictments once Trump is in office) about the origins of said laptop "Russian disinformation." Those actions had a big bearing on the 2020 election according to quite a few political commentators. The Department of Justice has been so weaponized against Trump during the last four years - in fact there is a well-trotted-out name for it now on TV - "lawfare."

You speak about the porn star, Stormy Daniels. That is a completely different case from the Mar A Lago case. But let's talk about it. Daniels actually owes Trump money now because she broke the non-disclosure agreement she signed. She said she did not have a relationship with him but then was persuaded to say she did just as he was running for election. She got what she wanted (money) but she wanted more obviously. Her lawyer (Cohen) was being touted as the next presidential candidate if he succeeded in taking Trump down. But he didn't. Where is Cohen now - in jail after being convicted of financial crimes. So Stormy Daniels has a massive debt hanging around her neck while her former lawyer is in jail. Sounds like a couple of people with high principles.

Mines of various descriptions have been used throughout the war in Ukraine, no idea why they would suddenly be an issue now. Yes they are horrible things, as are cluster munitions etc. But Ukraine is fighting for its life so its up to them.

Russia could simply leave and they would not be needed. It really is that simple.

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Originally Posted by mark12345

A jury of his peers? Who might his peers be? It's difficult to understand your logic here. The law is the law and it is intended to be applied equally to every citizen, including presidents

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Has any other president has committed 34 counts of fraud relating to payments to a porn star disguised as campaign payments? If so, I hope they would also face a trial.

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Originally Posted by mark12345

I have clearly shown you that there is one law for Trump and another for everyone else. Regarding the presidential records they raided his house for, has any other president been charged with such a crime? No they haven't. What about Obama when he took a large haul of papers out of the White House after his tenure? How did that court case go? Oh that's right, there wasn't one. And how did Vice President Biden's court case go? That would be a vice president who had no clearance to take any such papers from the White House. He should have been charged on that basis alone but he has not been brought in front of a judge at all. The Bush's, they surely took their share of presidential papers from the White House - why not it was the norm. But once it's Trump, let's find a new twist in the law in order to charge him.

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Did any of them deny they had the papers, and then move them so they wouldn't be found during a raid?

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Originally Posted by mark12345

Peers? Would they be the peers in the FBI who held onto Hunter Biden's laptop for over a year and knew its contents but kept it hidden from the public? Or would they be the 51 intelligence officers who lied (and will now be facing indictments once Trump is in office) about the origins of said laptop "Russian disinformation." Those actions had a big bearing on the 2020 election according to quite a few political commentators. The Department of Justice has been so weaponized against Trump during the last four years - in fact there is a well-trotted-out name for it now on TV - "lawfare."

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His peers are American citizens, same as every other defendant in a court of law.

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Originally Posted by mark12345

You speak about the porn star, Stormy Daniels. That is a completely different case from the Mar A Lago case. But let's talk about it. Daniels actually owes Trump money now because she broke the non-disclosure agreement she signed. She said she did not have a relationship with him but then was persuaded to say she did just as he was running for election. She got what she wanted (money) but she wanted more obviously. Her lawyer (Cohen) was being touted as the next presidential candidate if he succeeded in taking Trump down. But he didn't. Where is Cohen now - in jail after being convicted of financial crimes. So Stormy Daniels has a massive debt hanging around her neck while her former lawyer is in jail. Sounds like a couple of people with high principles.

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The 34 counts of fraud that Trump was convicted of are all related to the payments he made to Stormy Daniels, disguised as campaign payments. I never mentioned Mar A Lago. Trump agreed not to enforce the NDA after she won a court case that it was invalid because he never signed it.
From https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-...issed/10885350

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US District Judge James Otero dismissed the lawsuit because Mr Trump and his former lawyer, Michael Cohen, have agreed not to enforce the nondisclosure agreement against Daniels.

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

Has any other president has committed 34 counts of fraud relating to payments to a porn star disguised as campaign payments? If so, I hope they would also face a trial.

Did any of them deny they had the papers, and then move them so they wouldn't be found during a raid?

His peers are American citizens, same as every other defendant in a court of law.


The 34 counts of fraud that Trump was convicted of are all related to the payments he made to Stormy Daniels, disguised as campaign payments. I never mentioned Mar A Lago. Trump agreed not to enforce the NDA after she won a court case that it was invalid because he never signed it.
From https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-...issed/10885350

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Is that what you're hanging your hat on....he moved the papers? His lawyers were in constant contact with the FBI throughout the process. And then all of a sudden there are armed officers showing up at his house throwing all of the occupants out to the street. Have you seen another president treated like that before?
Did that happen to Obama or Biden or anyone else?
And what say you about Hunter's laptop? That was ok how that was handled, I guess?
So when you talk about his peers, it is very difficult to understand how you can trust a group of people who clearly treat him differently than his peers.
And as for the American people, they can be considered his peers. That's true. But they have elected him president twice. If he is as bad as the propaganda wing of the Democrat party (the media) make him out to be, then he should not have gotten one vote.

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Originally Posted by mark12345

Is that what you're hanging your hat on....he moved the papers? His lawyers were in constant contact with the FBI throughout the process. And then all of a sudden there are armed officers showing up at his house throwing all of the occupants out to the street. Have you seen another president treated like that before?
Did that happen to Obama or Biden or anyone else?
And what say you about Hunter's laptop? That was ok how that was handled, I guess?
So when you talk about his peers, it is very difficult to understand how you can trust a group of people who clearly treat him differently than his peers.
And as for the American people, they can be considered his peers. That's true. But they have elected him president twice. If he is as bad as the propaganda wing of the Democrat party (the media) make him out to be, then he should not have gotten one vote.

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The American people have spoken in the election.

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Originally Posted by seanfhear

The American people have spoken in the election.

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They have indeed.
On another note, I am hearing that Russia has launched an inter continental ballistic missile against Ukraine? This is getting crazy. Are we on borrowed time?

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Originally Posted by mark12345

Is that what you're hanging your hat on....he moved the papers? His lawyers were in constant contact with the FBI throughout the process. And then all of a sudden there are armed officers showing up at his house throwing all of the occupants out to the street. Have you seen another president treated like that before?
Did that happen to Obama or Biden or anyone else?
And what say you about Hunter's laptop? That was ok how that was handled, I guess?
So when you talk about his peers, it is very difficult to understand how you can trust a group of people who clearly treat him differently than his peers.
And as for the American people, they can be considered his peers. That's true. But they have elected him president twice. If he is as bad as the propaganda wing of the Democrat party (the media) make him out to be, then he should not have gotten one vote.

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Name another president that was convicted of 34 counts of fraud for disguising payments to a porn star as campaign payments and I'll discuss any laptop you want

Hopefully DT starts picking better people for important government positions!

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Originally Posted by mark12345

A couple of things.........

Trump called the media outlets fake news, it started a few years ago. And now it's a common phrase among Americans. They, like you, didn't really go for it in the beginning, but they sure do now. I have been listening for quite some time to Fox and Newsmax hosts and quite a few on radio stations, call the mainstream media "fake news." It was a phrase coined by Trump but the public are well on board with it. And the fact that CNN are laying off staff, and MSNBC is rumoured to be up for sale soon, is as much a testament to the public's lack of belief in the media's honesty as is the dwindling viewing numbers.

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I have no idea what your point is here to be honest. Belief in media dishonesty should be based on facts around the media's dishonesty, not dwindling numbers (potentially arising because idiots believe they're being lied to, so it's a self-fulfilling prophecy). You don't seem to have any facts to share here.

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Originally Posted by mark12345

"They've seen the light" (at least I hope they have) in that they have discovered that Trump isn't the monster the media has made him out to be.

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I don't think you can really claim that while continuing to ignore or dismiss the issues people here are raising about Trump - a criminal, a liar, someone unable to engage in meaningful debate (hence the "fake news" nonsense so often, and the childlike oratory), someone who puts really dangerous people in offices of real importance (eg Kennedy in health), someone who thinks climate change is a myth, someone who's a genuine danger to European security (among others, granted).

There's an argument of course that in this, he's the embodiment of the typical American - which is a really bad reflection on the average American.

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Originally Posted by mark12345

Rosie O'Donnell, an avid viewer of their show, said she will not watch them again.

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I just wanted to flag this bizarre throwaway comment as being about the most irrelevant argument ever put forward in the history of foot.ie, which is saying something.

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Originally Posted by mark12345

Trump is supporting Russia and Israel? Israel yes, but Russia? Has he said anything like that? I didn't hear it. What I did hear him say is that he wants to end the war in Ukraine and stop the carnage.

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Trump has long had suspicious links with Russia, going back to suggestions of Russian interference in the 2016 election. The problem is Trump's idea of ending the war is Ukraine rolling over and giving Russia what it wants. That's clearly not a solution. You don't stop people like Putin by giving them what they want. He'll just roll into the Caucasus or the Baltics next, and you have the exact same scenario. (Worse, if he's emboldened enough to invade NATO, which thankfully signs are he's not as yet)

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Originally Posted by mark12345

And about the video / AI etc, I have no idea what you are saying? You asked me for video evidence, I gave it to you. I didn't make the video and I don't know who did. Do you?

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I don't. But it was your video. The guy in the video doesn't praise Trump. There's no particular evidence the comments are from Irish people, which was your claim - especially in the current environment of bots going around making comments like those. So your claim has no real basis.

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Originally Posted by mark12345

Do you know there are people still counting votes in some states - the election was 15 days ago. Tell me that is not a rigged system.

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OK - that's not a rigged system. It may be inefficient and stupid, but of itself it in no way points to a rigged system.