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So, stand up and potty !Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
We can't afford all of those things. And Roy Keane already has a beard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
BBC Wales Sports guy has picked up on the Coleman angle, though no actual quotations or sources etc, so it's possibly just a space filler on a quiet Monday?
Chris Coleman: Ex-Wales boss a leading candidate for Republic of Ireland job
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68337099
I think people are being too negative in relation to Coleman. He did get Wales to the semi finals of the European championships. Which makes him a successful international manager.
Is that not what we are looking for!!
Coleman was a good looking fella in his hay-day if that helps anyone !
Oh come on - Hughton managed three teams in the PL - got two of them promoted and did a remarkable job keeping Brighton there for two seasons on a shoestring. The season Southampton finished just above Brighton in the table the entire Southampton first team were being paid more than the highest paid player at Brighton (and Brighton had pretty much a championship squad both seasons). Hughton also managed to get a very poor Ghana side into AFCON (and they were 3 mins and 2 goals up from sending Egypt home and qualifying for the knockout phase).Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
Lennon had one good run in the CL - in 2012 when Celtic were hammered by Juve in the last 16. He was fortunate that Barcelona were poor that season (they were hammered 7-0 on agg by Bayern Munich in the knockout stages) - and when the CL is the only competition you have to concentrate on you can pull out a couple of decent results. The following year Celtic ended bottom of their group, not winning a game and getting beaten 0-7 by Barcelona. Lennon had zero competition in Scotland during his time with Celtic - he was a disaster with Bolton, a disaster with Hibs, a disaster with Nicosia and never got a whiff of a PL job because he was useless as a coach.
Coleman wasn't much better - I have gone through his record before
Fulham - he had a very good squad that included Van der Saar, Saha, Malbranque, Boa Morte and did a decent job with them
Real Sociedad - lasted 7 months before resigning
Coventry in the Championship - sacked after 18 months - led them to their lowest position ever at that point.
AEL - resigned after six months
Wales - did worse than Ireland in the 2014 WC qualifiers (finished fifth in the group) - in the following Euros Wales had their best ever squad with Bale and several others at their peak. The won a relatively weak group containing England, Slovakia and a terrible Russian team - beat N.Ireland in the round of 16 and had a good win over Belgium in the QF before getting well beaten by Portugal in the SF. Ireland knocked Wales out of the 2018 WC qualifiers and Coleman was gone.
Sunderland in the Championship - Sacked after six months when he got them relegated to L1
Hebei China - sacked after less than a year after a disasterous time there.
Coleman hasn't been able to get a job for the last five years and I think it is noteworthy that he never got a PL job offer after his stint with Wales (or after his time with Fulham).
I agree - Coleman's upside is that he is not Lennon - but - again - if Lennon and Coleman are the candidates in the frame then Chris Hughton should at least be on the list.Quote:
Originally Posted by backstothewall
And if we end up with Coleman he will be almost as big a disaster as Lennon would have been - and it would be an indictment on the FAI top brass and their inability to do their job.
You'd think that Chris Hughton would be a safe pair of hands ( if not that inspiring )
I wonder is Chris Hughton even interested in the job ?
According to Brian Kerr no he doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
Coleman is a better than Lennon but still massively underwhelming. I'd have preferred someone completely out of left field tbh.
My idea of someone we could afford who might take it is an ex-Watford manager who's bounced around several European leagues since then. The name that got me to was Slaviša Jokanovi?.
On the upside with Coleman he was at least willing to try young players as Wales manager. I'm all in favour of that side of his approach.
Michael Beale is available again already!
Declan Rice would be ours for sure. I like how he capped promising players early alright.Quote:
Originally Posted by backstothewall
Off The Ball recomending O'Shea as interim until the right man is found. I'd be happier with this than an underwhelming permanent appointment.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1759578587680960969
If Tuchel gets the boot from Bayern and Barry leaves with him reporters will have a field day being able to churn out a few extra articles linking Barry or Beale.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
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"[Coleman's Wales] beat N.Ireland in the round of 16".
True, but as even he was forced to admit: Chris Coleman: 'Wales got lucky in seeing off Northern Ireland'
https://www.sportsmole.co.uk/footbal...ky_275502.html
Not that I'm still bitter or anything.... :cool:
Anyhow, my own view is that as a manager, Coleman is not that bad (eg Staunton or Kenny), but he's not that good either (Charlton or McCarthy). He was lucky to take over Wales when he did because (a ) Oisin Roberts had done a great job behind the scenes; (b ) Toshack and Speed had both done a good job on the pitch before him; and (c ) Gareth Bale.
Now tbf, he didn't waste those assets or take them backwards etc, but I get the impression that when he's had to work elsewhere with more modest resources, he's never really punched above his weight either.
One other thing: from what I've heard, if he should get the gig, you might be advised to lock up your daughters for the duration! :)
Sweden have been looking for a new manager as long as us (technically longer as the previous manager's departure was known before his final game). If only underwhelming options exist, there's no immediate rush to appoint. Think the interim would be Crawford though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
He delivered, yes, they had a superstar in Giggs before with some decent players around him and they didn't make it to the show, Bale or not, Coleman did. Equally that is all he has ever done of note and that is a valid concern with particular reference to our own midfield options.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
There is smoke around that fire, yes. He will chase the ladies and tends to catch them.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
"Failing to show for a press conference ahead of a weekend game, Coleman claimed he had been attending to a flooded dishwasher at home.
It later transpired Coleman had been spotted trolleying booze in a local nightclub just hours earlier. "I was in the wrong place at the wrong time," he mumbled by way of apology, referring to a bar and an early hour."
Sounds like exactly what we need..........
Coleman a candidate who doesn't exactly inspire. His club career is nothing to write home about, albeit in a few cases he was in a job where the head office seemed to want the team to fail. I recall his first campaign with Wales had a lot of losses that almost had him gone very early, including getting smashed in Belgrade, before it all came right. They also got a little fortune with the 2016 qualifying group, but the Finals performances speaks for itself. I'd take him over Lennon and Keane.
There is no doubt that Giggs was a truly great player - in a truly great Man Utd side. But his record for Wales was much less impressive, not least in that he often didn't appear to give a stuff about them, if it clashed with his Man U duties - or haven't you ever seen "Ryan Giggs Hamstring" in a medical dictionary? Which was reflected in his playing only 64 caps in a 16 year international career.Quote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
By contrast Bale was always totally dedicated to playing for his country:
https://i.insider.com/5dd529b5fd9db2...jpeg&auto=webp
Which was why he played 111 times for Wales during his 16 year international career, retiring a season after his last cap (Giggs went on playing for Man U for another 7 years after his last cap).
Not only that, but Bale was a (one-man) match winner in a way that Giggs wasn't, scoring eg 41 goals = 1 every 2.7 games. Whereas Giggs got 12 in his 64 = 1 every 5.3 games.
(None of which is to disparage Giggs' overall greatness, just that his international career doesn't begin to match that of Bale's)
I've heard the main sticking point in Colemans contract negotiations is that he's demanding Lillies Bordello be reopened. A former player, who is hoping to be on Colemans backroom staff, has let it be known that all the best nights in the teams past were in there.
Fair enough really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
so underwhelming its not even funny, its depressing how ****e the Ireland job is not one single outside the box contender.
We could of of come up with a FAI shortlist of Lennon, Keane and Coleman without ever lifting a finger ! I suppose its more money for Hill's commuting expenses !
Not to mention Ethan Ampadu.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
In other news, Woy Hodgson is available. Pity it isn't 10 or 15 years ago.
Keane had 60 odd caps for us similar to Giggs, similar time frame minus a bit of time off for misadventures, retired early & didn't trouble himself with friendlies often either, didn't score many goals at all, yet impacted us in a big way, played WC 94 and was huge in getting us to 2002 before firing his nappy at the TV and hitting the airport. So not purely an apps / goals thing maybe.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
I think Bale was huge of course in it all but the point remains they did it under Coleman having not previously managed it.
Ampadu wanted to play for Wales, didn't matter who was in chargeQuote:
Originally Posted by backstothewall
https://twitter.com/gcooney93/status...946082678?s=19
We've really no clue what's going on behind the scenes
Along those lines I heard Garry Monk was interviewed and he has not been mentioned anywhere even the longest bookies long list,no idea if true. Its encouraging to read the above.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
Hang on. I pointed out that Coleman had the (massive) advantage of having Bale for Wales, to which you replied that previous managers had Giggs.Quote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
I responded by demonstrating that Bale did far more for Wales than Giggs ever did - pretty incontrovertible, I'd say - and you counter by comparing Keane with Giggs?
How does that work? :confused:
Which also ignores that Coleman took over a Wales team in better shape after Toshack/Speed, than those two had before them, when taking over from a succession of duds like Hughes, Gould and Smith.
Plus there's this guy's contribution: https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...-wales-2245679
Meanwhile, Tony Mowbray's illness could put a possible spanner in the works:
"The prognosis is unknown but the club is only confirming that the 60-year-old Teessider will be out of action for between six to eight weeks. However, the reality is that Mowbray is unlikely to make an appearance before the end of the campaign which finishes on May 4."
There is already speculation that Lee Carsley could be offered the job as Birmingham's Interim Manager til the season end. Might be rubbish, of course, but if he were tempted, it would certainly suit The FA to let him do it for a bit.
Chris Coleman out according to numerous reports.
Interestingly, Thierry Henry has been linked to the vacant Canada job.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/68337099
Coleman OUT
Surprising that Henry didn't put his hand up for the Irish Job ? !Quote:
Originally Posted by Colbert Report
Coleman ruled out now according to newstslkQuote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
The storm is upon us.
What the hell is going on here?
Coleman was only floated for pretty much the first time in the last few days. Now he's out already?
Who else is in that we don't know is in that's about to be out?
Lillie wasn't for turningQuote:
Originally Posted by liamoo11
Coleman no longer in frame for Republic job - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68337099
Biblical Stu, its raining dead dinosaurs.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Was favourite for weeks on PP though.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
I have a theory that Colemans name was thrown out there knowing the reaction it would cause and force the board into giving more money for Carsley.... stranger things have happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Anthony Hudson is another who won't be getting it.
Former USA assistant manager now in charge in Qatar. That'd be left field I guess, so maybe they are looking out there. But now it just feels a bit desperate.