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23/10/2007, 12:32 PM
BrayUnknowns

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

He'd retain Robbie Keane as Captain.

He doesn't rate Andy Reid.

Well if he could get Robbie Keane to play and score like he does for Spurs then i wouldn't mind.

Why would he rate Reid when he has better midfielders at his disposal like Zakora, Jenas, Huddlestone, Lennon and Malbranque. even the likes of that new young lad they signed, Taarabt, would be ahead of Reid.

Jol would be the best choice out of the names being mentioned at the moment. But he would need someone with a bit of knowledge of the Irish game. If Kerr had never been involved then he would be perfect, but he would probably stick with Houghton.
23/10/2007, 12:36 PM
passinginterest

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Originally Posted by Spanner

See he's asked Bolton chairman not to consider him for the job (SkySports)...has he been speaking to a certain CEO over here I wonder??:eek:....or maybe in Norf Landan?

I'm very, very worried now.

At least he can't sign players as an international manager. Although I was fond of Torben Piechnik. :(
23/10/2007, 12:41 PM
shakermaker1982

oh lord help us if we get Souness. Bolton are the club for you, please call the Bolton chairman back and ask for an interview!!!
23/10/2007, 12:51 PM
Wolfie

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Originally Posted by BrayUnknowns

Why would he rate Reid when he has better midfielders at his disposal like Zakora, Jenas, Huddlestone, Lennon and Malbranque. even the likes of that new young lad they signed, Taarabt, would be ahead of Reid.

How many of that lot would he have to choose from as Ireland Manager?
23/10/2007, 12:54 PM
passinginterest

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

How many of that lot would he have to choose from as Ireland Manager?

I though he did rate Reid? He played him regularly when he was fit. I thought he only let him go because he couldn't guarantee him a start and Reid is the type of player who needs games every week. I certainly don't remember Jol having anything bad to say about him.
23/10/2007, 1:13 PM
conlonn

Van Gaal is the best of that list by a long way. Helpful that he is an outsider too and it will all be new and interesting to him!
23/10/2007, 1:14 PM
Wolfie

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Originally Posted by passinginterest

I though he did rate Reid? He played him regularly when he was fit. I thought he only let him go because he couldn't guarantee him a start and Reid is the type of player who needs games every week. I certainly don't remember Jol having anything bad to say about him.

On reflection (As Delaney might say) - I suppose whether he rated him or not in the past, with a reduced and pre-defined pool to choose from - he'd rate Reid while he was Ireland Manager!
23/10/2007, 1:15 PM
Ozymandias

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Originally Posted by passinginterest

I though he did rate Reid? He played him regularly when he was fit. I thought he only let him go because he couldn't guarantee him a start and Reid is the type of player who needs games every week. I certainly don't remember Jol having anything bad to say about him.

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23/10/2007, 1:18 PM
Dr. Ogba

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Originally Posted by conlonn

Van Gaal is the best of that list by a long way. Helpful that he is an outsider too and it will all be new and interesting to him!

Eh is Van Gaal not the man that completely threw away the match in Lansdowne by taking off his most threatening players (Overmars and Zenden) and threw on 4 strikers with Hasselbaink playing right wing?

I'll admit that's pretty much all I know about him but wasn't impressed! Now if you'll excuse me i'm off to wikipedia...

Edit - yeah pretty good record alright...major problem though, he's under contrat with AZ till 2010 so I'm pretty sure the FAI wouldn't fancy buying him out of his contract after paying Stan off...

Next...
23/10/2007, 1:20 PM
craig7042

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Originally Posted by onenilgameover

not a bad idea at all!!

Stephen Kenny?
You must be joking... Lets go back to all the reasons why Brian Kerr was wrong. The manager must be an ex -top-player and have management experience AND first and foremost must be convincing with the media.

Souness or Venables are the only ones I can think of ... Maybe O'Leary...
23/10/2007, 1:27 PM
endabob1

The big debatable point is whether it is Jol who has sent the money or not, the Director of Football Damien Comolli is allegedly the man spending the cash. Jol took a seriously undersacheiving side to 5th in successive seasons, he has his faults without doubt but he is a fine coach and a good man, he would be a major improvement.

Personally I don't think he would be the right man, I think he would always have one eye on going back to club management. I would prefer us to get someone like a Dalglish who would have the immediate respoect of the players but is not going to be looking at the job as a stepping stone.
23/10/2007, 1:32 PM
NeilMcD

I would have him in a shot too. Ferguson had a bad run at Man Utd at one time but Man Utd kept faith with him.Spurs should do the same with Jol, however if they do release him I would take him in a shot. Jol is a quality coach and manager but we live in a world where people now mach quick judgments. What about the last 2 years where he has Spurs finishing inside the top 6 twice, despite the fact they had never done that before in the Premiership.

He plays good football and he is experienced with different systems etc and does well when Spurs get into Europe and they only got beaten by Seville last season who have won the cup twice in a row. A very good coach who would know the Irish players, knows the Irish set up as he has Hughton as his assistant and consistantly gets the best out of Robbie Keane. Only thing that could get in the way is money and does he want an international job.
23/10/2007, 1:33 PM
Newryrep

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Originally Posted by craig7042

Stephen Kenny?
You must be joking... Lets go back to all the reasons why Brian Kerr was wrong. The manager must be an ex -top-player and have management experience AND first and foremost must be convincing with the media.

Souness or Venables are the only ones I can think of ... Maybe O'Leary...

Please add Venables to my dont want column
23/10/2007, 1:39 PM
Superhoops

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Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge

Quality coach as you said but a poor tactician.

Is that not a contradiction?
23/10/2007, 1:39 PM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by craig7042

The manager must be an ex -top-player..

Wenger, Houllier, Mourinho all ruled out :eek:

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AND first and foremost must be convincing with the media.

Seriously, thats your first consideration for any new manager? :eek:
23/10/2007, 1:41 PM
NeilMcD

Lads every manager has his flaws. I love the way people pick one decision and use that as evidence not to pick a manager but totally disregard the whole record. This sort of short term outlook will not work.

THere are far better reasons not to pic Van Gaal then his one decision at LR. Maybe he is used to working with players with top technique and would not be suited to the Klbanes, and O Sheas of the world. These are valid reasons not to pick him, but not because he lost to Ireland at LR and brought on 4 strikers going for it.

Remember he also won leagues at Barcelona.

Also in another point, I dont think we should force an assistant on any manager. The manager should be free to pick his manager. This idea of a management team is a load of rubbish and should be hit on the head now. Pick your manager and let him pick his assistant and coaches. So if we go for Roy Hodgson and he wants Ronny Whelan as his assistant well then fair enough but lets not just force an Irish assistant on a foreign coach.
23/10/2007, 1:41 PM
Docboy

I've seen Jol linked previously with taking over the dutch job should Van Basten step aside after Euro2008.
23/10/2007, 1:43 PM
youngirish

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Originally Posted by craig7042

Stephen Kenny?
You must be joking... Lets go back to all the reasons why Brian Kerr was wrong. The manager must be an ex -top-player and have management experience AND first and foremost must be convincing with the media.

Souness or Venables are the only ones I can think of ... Maybe O'Leary...

Why must the manager be an ex-top player? Why must he above all else be convincing with the media? These are two of the most ridiculous statments I've seen for a while though not as ridiculous as a recommendation of Souness for the job - one of the worst managers to try his hand in the Premiership. How he kept on picking up jobs was always a mystery to me.
23/10/2007, 2:02 PM
endabob1

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Originally Posted by Ciaran

A stepping stone manager would have incentive to perform. What we DON'T want is the following

a) An ageing manager who wants a nice relaxing retirement job. e.g. Daglish

b) An inexperienced plank who has no clue what he's doing and no respect from the players. e.g. Stan

My problem with a stepping stone manager is that they do a Sanchez and bugger off mid way through a potentially successful campaign.
I don't think Dalglish would be a retirement job, he hardly needs the cash but I do understand your doubts to a certain degree, the thing is he has a fair amount of managerial experience and despite his relative failures with Celtic & Newcastle he was a dof in those roles and when he was actually managing at Liverpool he was very succesfull
23/10/2007, 2:09 PM
Macy

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Originally Posted by endabob1

the thing is he has a fair amount of managerial experience and despite his relative failures with Celtic & Newcastle he was a dof in those roles and when he was actually managing at Liverpool he was very succesfull

The two times he had relatively limited resources to build teams he failed. When he took over an already successful side he kept it ticking over until it needed rebuilding, and his other successful team was when he could out bid everyone in English football. We'd be best off leaving him to sell gimmicky clubs on the golf channel.

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