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08/05/2009, 10:21 AM
paul_oshea

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Sick to my eyeteeth trying to explain this to people. I guarentee that pos and youngirish can't find a single post from me claiming that any LOI footballer (including fahey) should've been called into the Irish senior squad. I'd guess that at most 10-12 LOI fans have said he was worthy of a call up, and even less for all other players. If they took the blinkers off they'd find plenty of posts criticising the likes of mooney, bennett and the rest. And unlike their worthless opinions, these people have actually seen them play

Dodge I have never seen a post from you saying so, where did i ever say that I had?
08/05/2009, 10:23 AM
paul_oshea

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Originally Posted by ifk101

paul_oshea;

How many times have non-LOI fans gotten it wrong with tipping players to be the next big thing? ;) Or are you repeating an invalid point made by another poster because it sounds right? Remember those original calls for Fahey to be called-up were for the B squad - hardly invalid calls in hindsight.

What you are also forgetting is that for all those LOI players that have moved across the water, they have been scouted by professionals, that are employed by professional clubs, that obviously saw something in each and every player to convince them that they had something to offer and could play in their British leagues.

I think its dwained given the amount of inaccurate predictions to be fair.

Second point....or that its a risk taken for very little money, looks good, lets bring him over, give him a chance, if it doesn't work out ah well, its no big money(which has happened a bit I think because of what happened with Long and Doyle more so at Reading). However if it does like in kevin doyles case(and looking to be keith faheys too) then its definitely a gamble worth taking. Risks are worth taking for small money if they pay off and you make 500% on the risk :) That's if you can afford it of course ;)

Again, Ill stress I love to see players from LOI doing well, whether its in the LOI, LOI in Europe, Uk or Europe.
08/05/2009, 10:28 AM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Dodge I have never seen a post from you saying so, where did i ever say that I had?

You didn't. I was arguing with the whole LOI fans v the world rubbish. Some people think Fahey deserved a call up (some of them were LOI fans), some people didn't think he deserved a call up (some of them were LOI fans)

Thats the point
08/05/2009, 12:18 PM
paul_oshea

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Originally Posted by Dodge

You didn't. I was arguing with the whole LOI fans v the world rubbish. Some people think Fahey deserved a call up (some of them were LOI fans), some people didn't think he deserved a call up (some of them were LOI fans)

Thats the point

No one ever mentioned the LOI v The World, Dodge ;) Is that how you feel though :D

Maybe, then just some are more vocal than others...:D
08/05/2009, 12:20 PM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

No one ever mentioned the LOI v The World, Dodge ;) Is that how you feel though :D

No, thats just how it looks from the outside :p
08/05/2009, 12:53 PM
Billsthoughts

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

I think its dwained given the amount of inaccurate predictions to be fair.

The percentage that have gone over from the league and been successful is probably roughly the same as the percentage who go over as kids and are successful. Pretty low.
08/05/2009, 3:30 PM
SkStu

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Again, Ill stress I love to see players from LOI doing well, whether its in the LOI, LOI in Europe, Uk or Europe.

well Paul, i thought you had nailed your anti-LOI opinions to the mast but it would appear that i had you wrong...

so what it really is is that you want LOI players to do well but you just dont want LOI fans telling you that we think they'll do well? ;)

thats how i read it.

As for YI, i couldnt be bothered. If we typify whats wrong with the mentality of LOI supporters then he typifies whats wrong with the barstool mentality.
08/05/2009, 3:32 PM
paul_oshea

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Originally Posted by SkStu

well Paul, i thought you had nailed your anti-LOI opinions to the mast but it would appear that i had you wrong...

so what it really is is that you want LOI players to do well but you just dont want LOI fans telling you that we think they'll do well? ;)

thats how i read it.

As for YI, i couldnt be bothered. If we typify whats wrong with the mentality of LOI supporters then he typifies whats wrong with the barstool mentality.

When did the LOI move out to North America ;)
08/05/2009, 3:37 PM
SkStu

im here to coordinate the marketing and rebranding of the LOI World Tour... ;)
08/05/2009, 6:30 PM
topia

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Originally Posted by youngirish

10-12 is a sizeable number by any stretch. I never claimed everyone stated they should get senior call ups or they were brilliant however some of the LOI crowd certainly did.

My opinion on player's potential in hindsight has been far more reliable than most on here (including yours by a distance) though again ignore the evidence if it doesn't lead to the answer your looking for.

Anyway again I have to go. I have work to do.

correct me if im wrong here but you opinion in judging players potential has been far more reliable than everyone elses? but you dont go to LOI games so your reliable opinion on their potential must just just saying theyll never make it about each one??? good tactic bound to get a good few of them right.

Also i dont know how many people have to say this but ive heard very few LOI fans claiming any player should walk into the senior squad, i have however heard people say whats to be lost by taking a look at the occassional player in friendly squads or times like the 40 man squad. So claiming that lots of LOI fans are always demanding a LOI player be called up is just wrong.
08/05/2009, 6:41 PM
SkStu

the last time a LOI player was called up to a senior international squad and played was Glen Crowe against Greece, in Greece and he certainly looked capable of playing at that level without unduly embarassing himself.

To immediately dismiss a players ability and potential to step up to the plate based on where they ply(ed) their trade is an inherently flawed argument. Crowe did well in one game, Byrne wasnt really given a fair shot, Doyle has been brilliant, Long doesnt look out of place. Next up, fingers crossed: Keith Fahey.
08/05/2009, 8:30 PM
eirebhoy

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Originally Posted by SkStu

the last time a LOI player was called up to a senior international squad and played was Glen Crowe against Greece, in Greece and he certainly looked capable of playing at that level without unduly embarassing himself.

Gamble played in America and did well.
08/05/2009, 8:44 PM
Dodge

Gamble was played out of position.
08/05/2009, 8:54 PM
Stuttgart88

Jason Byrne didn't embarrass himself in Poland.

He didn't have time to.
09/05/2009, 1:00 PM
paul_oshea

Are you suggesting he would have?
09/05/2009, 3:39 PM
Stuttgart88

No I'm not
09/05/2009, 4:14 PM
Sheridan

As I recall he got another few minutes for Skyreland against Chile or somebody and set up two great chances which his cousin fluffed hopelessly.
09/05/2009, 5:18 PM
Stuttgart88

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Originally Posted by Sheridan

Skyreland

oh how very clever & cynical.
09/05/2009, 6:09 PM
Razors left peg

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Originally Posted by Sheridan

As I recall he got another few minutes for Skyreland against Chile or somebody and set up two great chances which his cousin fluffed hopelessly.

yeah your right that cousin of his is useless and Byrne should be picked ahead of him every time
09/05/2009, 6:14 PM
gustavo

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

yeah "your" right that cousin of his is useless and Byrne should be picked ahead of him every time

Well done on putting 2 and 2 together and getting 7

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