Keith Andrews needs to cut bait and aim for a mid-table Championship club to take him on. I won't blame him if he sits it out and collects the Premiership paycheques though, he's earned it.
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Keith Andrews needs to cut bait and aim for a mid-table Championship club to take him on. I won't blame him if he sits it out and collects the Premiership paycheques though, he's earned it.
Uh...let's see if he can impress the new manager first before we find him a new club. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Colbert Report
Yeah... Clean slate now. This is the acid test
I'm with the doctor on this one. Up until this, people could legitimately claim that Andrews' place in the team was down to favouritism on Ince's part. With a new manager in place it's time for him to show that he's worth his place in the side.
Besides I don't think it was Ince that was picking him for Ireland, was it?
I don't think there is very much chance that Andrews will start another Premiership game again unless he joins a team in the Championship who get promoted. I would expect Allardyce to see that Dunn, Vogel, Grella, Mokoena and Tugay should all be in ahead of him in centre midfield and i'm sure that big Sam will bring in his own players in the new year, dropping him further down the list.
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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
No it was a management regime that thought that being a Premiership benchwarmer was an instant passport to international football (Folan, Whelan, Miller, Gibson......) and only started watching our Championship players about a fortnight ago.
Allardyce's appointment is good for all of the Irish players at Blackburn I'd say.
Reid, Andrews, and Treacy are all athletic players that will suit Allardyce's preferred 4-3-3 formation.
Ya agreed, I wouldve thought that Andrews is Allardyce's type of player. Hope Big Sam will give him a fair shout at it at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishfan86
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Originally Posted by Ciaran
Considering the result, you would expect Andrews to hold his place for the next game. Although judging by the reports the scoreline was harsh on Stoke - Whelan played the full 90 mins.
andrews played well on sat i heard. made the "squad" for bbc website team of the weekendQuote:
Originally Posted by elroy
He played the full 90 mins on Saturday and played very well. Just shows how ignorant some posters are of Andrews ability. They just assume the likes of Vogel (because he's foreign) must be ahead of Andrews in the pecking order. Vogel is very poor of what I've seen of him, Andrews is far superior.Quote:
Originally Posted by mackannovic
Andrews is foreign.:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by lionelhutz
They (Hanson) was quite complimentary to him on MOTD, playing the 'Lee Carsley' role. Didn't get a very high rating on Sky though - "did his job". But it's an key role in front of the defense where the work can go unnoticed, what he did looked easy but it's all part of being in the right place at the right time.
Ince had to have confidence in him to bring him in, however the clubs lost confident in Ince!
It will be interesting to see how he gets on there and whether he gets regular starts, and if Blackburn continue to gets results.
Hard to judge on just one match, but I have a feeling he will do OK.
If you read it again, its obvious I meant Vogel is foreignQuote:
Originally Posted by irishultra
Andrews is Irish?:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciaran
ah old roly eyes is back with a vengeance :rolleyes:
Ye can't have seen much of Vogel he's only played 10 minutes this season. When he played at the tail end of last season he was exceptional for Blackburn, this season he's only played 10 minutes because of a falling out with Paul Ince. You can't seriously be suggesting that a player who has played for Milan, Betis and PSV along with captaining his country who he has represented since he was 18 is in a lower bracket than a player who spent the vast amount of his career being passed from loan to loan in the lower leagues after 6 years at Wolves where he failed to impress in such a long stint. And as for the argument that Vogel is well into his thirties, he's 31, hardly a point of being over the hill and Andrews is 28 so he's not exactly gonna get much better at that age. As for Vogel not playing many games well thats true but players like Reid have played just as little over such a space of time and I know that Reid would be put straight in ahead of Andrews when fit again.Quote:
Originally Posted by lionelhutz
For all that its worth do you seriously think Andrews would've been signed by another Premiership club? The only reason he's at Blackburn was Paul Ince, it's the same reason Robbie Fowler turned up took a nice paycheck and left. Ince sorted his mates out with a chance at the big time. Maybe Ince thought he might cut it but we all know how good Inces judgement turned out for him. Go to any Blackburn message board and you'll see the general feeling is that he isn't good enough to play in the Premier League. He's a very, very limited player.
The team last weekend was not picked by Allardyce as he had only taken over training on the Friday with McDonald. The squad was selected for him by Archie Knox and Ray Mathias who would've excluded Vogel on the basis of his bust up with Ince. Allardyce has since dismissed Mathias and Knox and has publicly stated that every player at the club starts with a clean slate. In short expect Vogel to return to the first team squad quite soon.
So why didn't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by mackannovic
I really cannot see Vogel making more than 10-15 appearances this season, if that.
Is that because there are only 18 league games left, thats not bad considering the room for an injury or suspension.Quote:
Originally Posted by livehead1
Even making the bench this week was a massive step towards playing for Vogel. Andrews started because of an injury crisis at the club - Dunn, Grella and Reid all out. Add to that the fact Vogel hasn't played even a reserve game in months and is severely match unfit.
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Originally Posted by mackannovic
Vogel is over the hill and will not become a regular for Blackburn. Andrews may do just enough to become a regular under Allardyce but I wouldn't be surprised to see a couple of big tackling midfielders signed in January.
Over the hill at 31??? Are you serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by livehead1
Andrews is a squad player in a depleted squad. Reid, Dunn and Grella all to return, lets just say he won't be a firts team player for long.
Its not his age that concerns me. He hasn't played regular week in week out football since 2004-2005. He is also the same age as a certain Ian Harte!Quote:
Originally Posted by mackannovic
I think Andrews will be given a chance and its up to him to take it.
Thats simply not true, he played the tail-end of last season with Rovers after missing the first half of the season with Betis. He played 18 games for Betis the year before and thats over the course of a season that included a number of injuries.Quote:
Originally Posted by livehead1
He's a bit different to Ian Harte, Harte never came close to playing to the same level as Vogel. This is not a discussion about Vogel anyway, he was merely being used as a point on how Andrews will struggle to feature in a fully fit Rovers squad.
Andrews will get a chance as everyone else at the club will now Sam Allardyve has taken over but it is an undeniable truth that if Dunn is fit he's first choice, as is Reid and then Grella. Behind them you have Johann Vogel who is extremely likely to feature should he get games under his belt. There is already talk of Allardyce bringing in another midfielder, possibly Bullard so that would push Andrews lower down the pecking order. At 28 he's at his peak and will not get much better, he's a very limited player and I think out of his depth at this level. If Blackburn were to push up the table he'd be one of the first casualties of an ambitious club.
The fact of the matter is that right now, Andrews is in the first team. Whether or not he's good enough for Ireland if Vogel or Reid or Bullard or Nolan or whoever comes in is an argument for another day.
It's an unexpected pleasure to the Ireland manager that he gets to decide whether or not a regular Premiership starter can fit into his plan for the Ireland team.
For what it's worth, I thought he was the outstanding player in the B game VS Nottingham Forest (ahead of the goalscorers) and he took his chance in the friendly against Poland by scoring after coming on as a sub. I would not be disappointed if he was named in the squad for the Georgia game, and I believe he would be worth a start.
Nice to see that Andrews is continuing to make the starting line up under Allardyce
Trap is at the game as well today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
Trapp is actually sitting next to Capello at Ewood Park. I'm sure Trapp is pointing out that he has the better goalkeeper!Quote:
Originally Posted by elroy
Andrews hasn't done anything wrong in the first half so that will keep him in Trapp's thoughts.
He was at the Preston v Burnley game with Alan Kelly at lunchtime.Quote:
Originally Posted by EastTerracer
and is he going to wolves game later?!
only if he has a helicopter.
Not that brief edited highlights give a proper picture but it looked like Andrews played well against Newcastle, covering ground, making at least one crunching tackle and he was heaviy involved in the third goal, carrying the ball and playing in Pedersen who squared it for Roberts (?). Good to see him keeping his place under a new manager alright.
Looked like he had a stormer in the highlights but recieved a paltry 6 in player ratings, and a mere 3 points in Fantasy Football. Whats wrong with these people, Keith Andrews is the best footballer in the world, EVER.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A461273...sport=football
a thread i started to get blackburn fans opinions on andrews. most fans give him excellent reviews, with the odd fan stuck in the 'league 2 player' mindset.
must start against georgia
Well Mackanovic, how are you thinking now? He's played every league came under Big Sam so far...
I firmly believe he should start against Georgia (with Whelan).
He really reminds me of Barry Robson of Celtic.
Hopefully Trappa and Capello(sitting together) must have come to the consensus that Andrews should start for us, he was excellent on Saturday. I think he is one of those players that will continually rise to the challenges in front of him. Much the same as Kevin Doyle does. Allardyce is a fan and he is starting to garner a lot more respect from KNOWLEDGEABLE Blackburn fans.
He has some shot on him and pops up in dangerous places like Lampard does, passes it well, and can tackle. Would love to see Whelan and himself start against Georgia, with Whelan being the more defensive of the two.
Trap will have a hard time relegating Gibson to the bench but it must be done because that is where he belongs, for the time being at least anyway.
Yep, I'd start Whelan & Andrews too. It'd be a bit of a risk but any combo of Whelan, Gibson or Andrews would be a risk.
Kind of scary that our 3 central midfielders vying for starting places have just about 10 caps between them. Have we ever gone with such an inexperienced CM partnership before?
Even more scary, I just realized that Liam Miller is our most experienced CM. Let the nightmare end.... :eek:
would agree with that, i'd be happy with an Andrews / Whelan midfield.
Diarmo I can understand what you're saying about an inexperienced midfield but lets not forget that both of them have been around the block for a while and Andrews had been captaining MK Dons for a couple of years so i don't think it'll be a problem.
Now if Gibson started on the other hand......