Cork City Examinership

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Originally Posted by jebus

it would have to be up the FAI to make the hard decision

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And we all know how well their last decision regarding the make-up of leagues was received.
You can't drop UCD, and in fact, I think Galway, Cork, Limerick and Derry - and maybe the likes of Waterford - could learn a thing or two from them.
Such as: get the clubs in university/IT towns and cities to form a link with the third level institutes. Have a scholarship scheme in place, which would allow players to attend uni and play for the local LOI club.
I know there are probably a raft of reason why this won't work, but surely there are reasons it will?
For example, some American student wants to come to study in Galway. He can kick a ball. He goes to UCG (refuse to use that awful NUIG abbreviation) on a UCG/UNited scholarship, so he gets to study, and gets paid a few quid every week for playing for United, which would ease the financial burden on students.
Maybe I have been on too many funny pills, but surely it is worth conmsidering, especially as UCD, when it comes down to it, are THE example of how a club can be run on/under budget

If Arkaga provided a written guarantee to underwrite the season's budget then what Cork are/were doing isn't very different to Pats who are relying on Kelleher's investment to fund their season and Bohs who are relying on monies coming from the sale of land. Now that Arkaga seemingly want out they should still be held to guaranteeing the liabilities incurred this season and it sounds like that's what the FAI want to do. Of course if they find other investors then they can assign this guarantee to them.

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Originally Posted by jebus

Fine, get rid of Fingal so, there's no need for two clubs in that area, especially as neither of you are exactly packing the punters in. Their ground is better than yours though so I'd think about the merger if I were Shels



Monaghan aren't above us in the league, and they get the same attendence as Kilkenny used to (maybe 20 people more), Limerick supporters outnumbered Monaghan supporters on one of our trips there this season, and Monaghan isn't a city. Hence Limerick in the long run > Monaghan in the long run

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1. check the league table before posting
2. you do not have a pot to **** in (except maybe jackman park.. not a pot but a place to **** in)
3. your counties size has not helped you in the past so sholud not be allowed to look to this a plus.
and finnally limrerick supporterd have never outnumbered us a home but then maths have never been a strong point at limerick f.c.

I have to say I am disgusted at the attitude of some of the posters on here regarding the situation at CCFC (Jebus take a bow). As a Shelsman, I would like to say to all City fans - don't mind this petty sneereing and swiping. It's pathetic. Some people appear to be revelling in other clubs' miseries....very sad indeed.

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Originally Posted by seanDCFC

Are clubs in this league run by complete fukin morons, what do these people think when they do out their budget for the season? Do they think that if they throw money at the top players in the league that fans will suddenly flood through the gates. I hope that Cork get hammered for this because it's beyond a joke now, Cork should be taught a lesson and the lesson should be so severe that no club will want to follow in their footsteps, and waste money like they have been. Clubs like Cork, Bohs and all other clubs who are wasting money on ****e would be no big loss to this league. These clubs are not only making it difficult for themselves but they are making it difficult for everyone else in the league. I think that these clubs should live within there means or simply fck off out of existance.

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Err glass houses, rosey gardens & any other relevant saying...

Do you know how much money we have in the bank?

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Originally Posted by Higgo

I have to say I am disgusted at the attitude of some of the posters on here regarding the situation at CCFC (Jebus take a bow). As a Shelsman, I would like to say to all City fans - don't mind this petty sneereing and swiping. It's pathetic. Some people appear to be revelling in other clubs' miseries....very sad indeed.

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I agree.

I'm nowhere near as happy with the Cork situation as I was when it happened to Shels.....

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Glazer didn't get rich through sport, he made his wealth in real business before he bought Tampa Bay and United. Ditto Abramovich, the two fellas at Liverpool and almost every other example I can think of.

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I understand that, but there's no way the Glazers looked at United and went 'I'd really like to pump millions into that place and come out with the exact same amount of money at the end, well hopefully I won't make a loss anyway, but sure who cares if I do!'

On the Morton/Tolka debate, I like both grounds, just prefer Morton is all

There is no doubt we are in serious trouble but some of the figures mentioned are exaggerations.

I don't think any City fans hide behind our finances in the past but we were told that Arkaga had budgeted on 1m loss. It is clear now they have not put that money in & some serious financial mismanagement.

I never expected Arkaga to make profits from CCFC just like the Glazers of this world. People buy football clubs because they think they can sell for higher price in years to some. I think Arkaga targeted a stadium down the line which would have increased the value of the club.

Maybe the FAI needs to look at a fit & proper person test for people to run League clubs?

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

I agree.

I'm nowhere near as happy with the Cork situation as I was when it happened to Shels.....

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Is this supposed to be funny??:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by passerrby

1. check the league table before posting
2. you do not have a pot to **** in (except maybe jackman park.. not a pot but a place to **** in)
3. your counties size has not helped you in the past so sholud not be allowed to look to this a plus.
and finnally limrerick supporterd have never outnumbered us a home but then maths have never been a strong point at limerick f.c.

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1. I will in future, doesn't change your Kilkenny style attendences however

2. Yes but our name hasn't been linked with the recent troubles now have they?

3. Our counties size should be included in any plans for revamping the league, for example, if Cork City go bust it is vital that a restructured LoI has another Cork team in the league, so one will have to be set up

4. Are you counting the old fellas in the bar that can't be bothered sticking their heads out the door to check the score? If so then you might be right and I'll retract that statement and push the Monaghan figures up a tad

With regard to income from gate receipts; when in Turners Cross 4200odd turned up to see Cork play Bohs (adults at €15 and Concessions @ €8) at an average of say €10 per head, less 500 or so season ticket holders, that would equate to an income of €38000 per home match plus whatever sponsorship and merchandising sales they make. They are prob taking in around 42-5k per home match.

Are their other income streams? How do clubs with lower attendences cope?

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Originally Posted by Magicme

Pointing out your poor attendence is acting a hard man these days? Monaghan is a smaller club than Limerick, Monaghan is a smaller club than Limerick in potential, which of these statements isn't true?



Sorry, hadn't realised they'd gone a whole point ahead of us, why that proves their value to the league :rolleyes:

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Firstly if you took your head out of your rear long enough to read what I posted you would notice that I quoted you on a previous comment as I hadnt read your comment about our attendances at that point, but dont worry bout it love, no point in letting reality invade your wee world where the Jebus rant is sacred.

Secondly, yes we are a smaller club, no denying it. But I would rather us be a small well run club than a big mismanged one. We play football, pay our bills and develop our 14 acres to provide as much football as possible to the community while holding our own in the 1st division of the LOI. And you want to put us out of football? *pours some cold water on Jebus to wake him up to the real world*

Also when I said about some Limerick fans using every opportunity to have a pop at us and acting like hard men I wasnt actually referring to you for previous but maybe I should have been by your guilty sounding reaction!

As for the Cork thing, I for one am gutted another club is having a hard time but am glad that these things are coming to light at the same time so that there is a chance that the league can sort itself out and clubs start putting together realistic budgets for the future.

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Originally Posted by WoodquayBoy

And we all know how well their last decision regarding the make-up of leagues was received.
You can't drop UCD, and in fact, I think Galway, Cork, Limerick and Derry - and maybe the likes of Waterford - could learn a thing or two from them.
Such as: get the clubs in university/IT towns and cities to form a link with the third level institutes. Have a scholarship scheme in place, which would allow players to attend uni and play for the local LOI club.
I know there are probably a raft of reason why this won't work, but surely there are reasons it will?
For example, some American student wants to come to study in Galway. He can kick a ball. He goes to UCG (refuse to use that awful NUIG abbreviation) on a UCG/UNited scholarship, so he gets to study, and gets paid a few quid every week for playing for United, which would ease the financial burden on students.
Maybe I have been on too many funny pills, but surely it is worth conmsidering, especially as UCD, when it comes down to it, are THE example of how a club can be run on/under budget

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You're spot on. I've never understood why Galway and Limerick (for example) don't seek better link ups with their universities and colleges and provide scholorships as a carrot for potential part time signings. I've also never understood the attitude some posters have towards a well run club like UCD.

Any chance the Limerick guys and gals would take their little spat to another thread? The Cork thing is a very big issue for the league and while I'm as bad as anyone for dragging things off topic* it'd be better if this argument was had elsewhere.

*- The Simpsons isn't as funny as it used to be. Which is a pity.

Not good news for the league in general - never really understood Arkaga's motivation in going in there to be honest, will be interesting and probably depressing to see what comes out of it now.

Any chance we can move the Limerick/Monaghan thing out into the playground FFS :rolleyes:


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Snap! Synchronous posts Mr A

I'm not on about banishing the club to history, I'm saying if we were to restructure a league into 16 teams (22 or 20 is too much) then cuts would have to be made and the clubs cut would have to go to the senior leagues and work their way up in the pyramid structure. I personally think that there are 16 clubs that would be better suited to a restructured league than Monaghan, where's the problem? You must realise the First Division isn't working, you must know a 22 team league wouldn't work, so cuts would have to be made, no doubt you would have your own opinion on who should go

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Originally Posted by bigmac

Not good news for the league in general - never really understood Arkaga's motivation in going in there to be honest, will be interesting and probably depressing to see what comes out of it now.

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Arkaga were investing on behalf of a 'Corkman'. A 'Corkman' worth an estimated 500million who's now grown sick of his toy and couldnt care less what happens to his hometown club.

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Originally Posted by micls

Arkaga were investing on behalf of a 'Corkman'. A 'Corkman' worth an estimated 500million who's now grown sick of his toy and couldnt care less what happens to his hometown club.

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This is the worry for Limerick as well, that our Irish-American owner will suddenly not care that much about the Irish part and pull out

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Originally Posted by jebus

2. Yes but our name hasn't been linked with the recent troubles now have they?

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Without going into any detail whatsoever, yes they have.

I personally think the cork problem coming to light now is a good think rather than one or two clubs getting into diifculties each year making the league look bad and nobody doing anything to address the underlyingl problems.at least now with so many clubs been flagged it may kickstart clubs/leagues and our association into really thinking outside the box for solutions instead of moving the deckchairs while we sink

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

I agree.

I'm nowhere near as happy with the Cork situation as I was when it happened to Shels.....

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Now now, don't be bitter about all those leagues you nearly won.

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Originally Posted by soccerc

Without going into any detail whatsoever, yes they have.

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Rumours, rumours and more rumours. I'm sure we do have money worries, I doubt there's a club in Ireland that doesn't, but until it's found that we are either shedding players like Galway did, or possibly winding up like Cork then it's not a crisis. I wouldn't be surprised if we were in serious trouble (I'm a Limerick supporter after all), but I also wouldn't trust the Limerick City rumour mill

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Originally Posted by jebus

Rumours, rumours and more rumours. I'm sure we do have money worries, I doubt there's a club in Ireland that doesn't, but until it's found that we are either shedding players like Galway did, or possibly winding up like Cork then it's not a crisis. I wouldn't be surprised if we were in serious trouble (I'm a Limerick supporter after all), but I also wouldn't trust the Limerick City rumour mill

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Uninformed, smugly jumping to conclusions and a climb down from your earlier posts.

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Originally Posted by soccerc

Uninformed, smugly jumping to conclusions and a climb down from your earlier posts.

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Eh? As far as I know Limerick are tipping along okay, I have nothing official to tell me otherwise and neither do you, all I'm saying is that past experience shows I could be wrong, so too could your rumour mill

Edit: I never trust junior supporters and their facts either, force of habit when you support Limerick FC I'm afraid

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Originally Posted by LeixlipRed

Now now, don't be bitter about all those leagues you nearly won.

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Haven't you sold the memories yet? You hocked everything else.

Anyway, I'm sure its something fond to look back at when you're facing the excitement of a North Dublin derby with Fingal.

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Originally Posted by jebus

Eh? As far as I know Limerick are tipping along okay, I have nothing official to tell me otherwise and neither do you, all I'm saying is that past experience shows I could be wrong, so too could your rumour mill

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RAFLMAO

Not one to attack a poster but would you ever get a grip, just because you don't have any knowledge doesn't mean it's a rumour, and for your esteemed mind, yes I do know.


As in my first post on this matter I'm not going to go into any detail :D

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Err glass houses, rosey gardens & any other relevant saying...

Do you know how much money we have in the bank?

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I don't do the finances at Derry City so no I don't no how much money we have in the bank do you?

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Haven't you sold the memories yet? You hocked everything else.

Anyway, I'm sure its something fond to look back at when you're facing the excitement of a North Dublin derby with Fingal.

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Bitter bitter people....take the chip of your shoulder. Whether you like it or not, the situation at City and formerly at Shels reflects very badly on the whole league. Should you be critical? Yes, by all means. Being smug....now that's just pathetic. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by jebus

but until it's found that we are either shedding players like Galway did, or possibly winding up like Cork then it's not a crisis.

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In fairness, that's what everyone slagged Shels fans for saying two years ago.

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Originally Posted by seanDCFC

I don't do the finances at Derry City so no I don't no how much money we have in the bank do you?

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I have a fair idea based on what I've heard and being a shareholder and seeing the annual accounts, in addition to listening to the Chairman saying we're going part-time.

We don't have much, put it that way.

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

In fairness, that's what everyone slagged Shels fans for saying two years ago.

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eep!

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Originally Posted by soccerc

RAFLMAO

Not one to attack a poster but would you ever get a grip, just because you don't have any knowledge doesn't mean it's a rumour, and for your esteemed mind, yes I do know.


As in my first post on this matter I'm not going to go into any detail :D

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Produce something of substance and I'll believe you, until then it's all just rumour

Is RAFLMAO internet speak for a heart attack or what?

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

I have a fair idea based on what I've heard and being a shareholder and seeing the annual accounts, in addition to listening to the Chairman saying we're going part-time.

We don't have much, put it that way.

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Therfore if our club is looking to go part time then we are obviously living within our means then as we see that professional is financially unsustainable at our club, so are cutting our costs accordingly. My point is that this is how clubs should be run, we've learned from our mistakes in the past. Unfortunately clubs such as Cork City, Bohs and Pats are likely to learn the hard way.

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Originally Posted by passerrby

and finnally limrerick supporterd have never outnumbered us a home but then maths have never been a strong point at limerick f.c.

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and maths obviously isnt yours. your average attendance over the last three years against us in Monaghan is about 60 with it split three ways between home/away/and family fans of players. In our two nil win over you recently you had 52 fans in the ground (60 playing on your astro turf pitches) of which 33 were from Limerick. so of 52 33 were limerick i think that makes it "more then monaghan". And although ive seen 150 and 175 for games againt us up there i have photos for the last three years of empty seats and an empty ground which is empty for a few souls.

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Originally Posted by jebus

Is RAFLMAO internet speak for a heart attack or what?

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Rolling Around ****ing Laughing My Arse Off?

Hard to tell with these youngsters.

In fairness, soccerc often doesn't tell stuff, but he often knows stuff too.

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Originally Posted by jebus

until it's found that we are either shedding players like Galway did . . . then it's not a crisis.

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Afraid I'm going to have to pull you up on that one. From MY point of view, it was not a crisis. It would have been a crisis if the club did nothing, but the fact it acted to slash its wage bill meant it averted a crisis.
As I said, just my own view, but isn't that what we are all here for, to give views and opinions and what have you

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Originally Posted by WoodquayBoy

Afraid I'm going to have to pull you up on that one. From MY point of view, it was not a crisis. It would have been a crisis if the club did nothing, but the fact it acted to slash its wage bill meant it averted a crisis.
As I said, just my own view, but isn't that what we are all here for, to give views and opinions and what have you

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Not according to some we're not :rolleyes:

Fair enough on the crisis point at Galway though, I know the club acted as best it could when the trouble arose and it would have been a lot worse had it gone unchecked, Cork City worse even

Just asking again - does anyone know what are the current FAI rules regarding penalties for clubs going into examinership?

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Originally Posted by Magicme

Also when I said about some Limerick fans using every opportunity to have a pop at us .

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Only thing most of us have against you lot is the distance up there (honest)
our abuse of your Dublin squad on matchdays is on par with the abuse we give everywhere else (exept Dundalk, we like them) so get over it.

As regards the Cork situation, did I hear they owed a big chunk to the M.F.A.? surely some sort of arrangement could be met here (or am i way off the ball?)

As regards Limerick and money probs, we're scraping by, but our wage bill aint massive so neither can any debt, and as always we are never far away from complete meltdown.

That is all.

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Originally Posted by fergalr

Just asking again - does anyone know what are the current FAI rules regarding penalties for clubs going into examinership?

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Good question, any chance of points deductions at any point?

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Originally Posted by gael353

([B]60 playing on your astro turf pitches

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if we have 4 astro parks which are 5 a side courts now take of your shoes and socks and begin to count ...maths my boll**
and i remember the game well not a bottle of buckfast or cider left