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GAAS are to be commended for building their own stadium.
The government must hold their hands up for giving €140 million of our money to them and now are claiming poverty when trying to build the national stadium they promised. Particularly as €60 million of it was a bribe to keep Croke Park closed when the GAA were in financial trouble.
There is a separate issue with sectarianism within the GAA or most cirrectly propogated by a minority who are very influential.
Conor, I take you're failure to answer the points about the funding etc to mean that you accept that the FAI were screwed by the Government?
Fact: You called LoI fans bigots.Quote:
Originally posted by Lionel Hutz
Hey if LOI supporters are allowed brand all celtic fans as bigots I think its only fair that I be allow to point out some of your own shortcommings, even if its only to prove to you lot that you are infact only human and not perfect as indeed some of you seem to think!:rolleyes:
BTW I wont make personal insults against you as to be honest it seems like a childish exercise which Il leave in your more than capable hands!
Fact: I am a LoI fan.
:. You called me a bigot.
Simple reasoning? I'm sorry if you can't follow it.
BTW, I've never, ever called, or even regarded Celtic fans bigots, and I don't like it when other fans make generalisations. You, on the other hand, seem to love making generalisations.
No, that was the definiton of "farmer", "publican" and "FF local councillor".Quote:
Originally posted by Conor74
As for government funding, I think I made the observation about the "always looking for a handout and whinging" mentality in some other thread - search for my definition of a "pinko"... ;) :D
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Originally posted by Conor74
Ah, patsh...FF Councillors, farmers, publicans - all three occupy a special place in my heart, though if there was a burning building scenario I think I'd rescue the publican first!!!
Rescue one and you've probably rescued them all. Me? I'd let it burn;)
Possible, but I think it's hard for you to argue this case.....Quote:
Originally posted by Conor74
Not at all. On the contrary, I was merely trying to avoid the whole "let's blame FF" argument which will go around in circles. We will start disagreeing, and end no closer to accepting the other's arguments...but we'll enjoy ourselves geting there!!!
Think you confusing the issues.... Delaney and Co only got involved when Bertie and Co said there would be no funding for eP and the promise of riches from Stadium Ireland...Quote:
Originally posted by Conor74
For what it's worth, I'm happy with the judgement of those like John Delanay on the project. National stadium or none, the eircom League project was simply not viable.
Maybe not viable to build without funding, but then niether would Croke Park... The funding that the FAI were looking for was only a percentage of what the GAA get, and continue to get, for Croker... We could all see private companies falling over themselves to build stadium ireland when the Government pulled out - does that make it not viable either? The Government could have helped the FAI with their home, as they are saying they will now - however it would have been a hell of a lot cheaper to go with eP than the current proposals on the table....Quote:
Originally posted by Conor74
Even you yourself acknowledge it with your observation that the government should have funded it, though I see you deem yourself qualified enough to give an opinion on the amount needed. Given that we were lied to about the project, I wouldn't be so confident about anything at all.
Actually just looking for parity with the GAA. Not whinging for funding, whinging for equality..... But if you're going to bring in pinko terms, we shouldn't be surprised that the working class sport is treated like the working class people by this right wing Government.... :pQuote:
Originally posted by Conor74
As for government funding, I think I made the observation about the "always looking for a handout and whinging" mentality in some other thread - search for my definition of a "pinko"... ;) :D
Nothing to say about my earlier post, Conor? ;)Quote:
Originally posted by Conor74
Ah, patsh...FF Councillors, farmers, publicans - all three occupy a special place in my heart, though if there was a burning building scenario I think I'd rescue the publican first!!!
Yeah, I see what you mean now.;)Quote:
Originally posted by Macy
[Giving emigrants the vote] I think it would drag us back further into the civil war politics that we desperately need to get away with...
Seen an interesting thread starting at Cork GAA Forum for a National Stadium to be build in Cork
http://corkgaa.proboards21.com/index...792253&start=0
Not really, there was a simple question posed. ;)Quote:
Originally posted by Conor74
Plenty to say patsh, but if I say it the thread will continue in the following vein...
You/Macy "Bertie bad boy, FAI good"
followed by my response
Me "FAI bad, Bertie good boy"
then your response
You/Macy "Bertie bad boy, FAI good"
then my response
Me "FAI bad, Bertie good boy"
then your response
You/Macy "Bertie bad boy, FAI good"
then my response
Me "FAI bad, Bertie good boy"
and so on and so forth. I see a distinct pattern emerging..:D :D :D
At last, Conor admits that FF can't be trusted - that's all I wanted from you.... :DQuote:
Originally posted by Conor74
Planning a future on a politician's promise, notwithstanding Bertie's undeniable honesty and integrity (;) ) is simply not clever.
Shame there isn't a "nod" sign, in keeping with recent national stadium promising party policy:D :DQuote:
Originally posted by Conor74
No no, I put in a "wink" sign after
He's from Worcester really :)
No he isn't! He's from a lair in indo-china where he spends his days masterminding the theft of the secrets to International Rescue.;)Quote:
Originally posted by Duncan Gardner
He's from Worcester really :)
Welcome aboard...erm...Davros.:)
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Originally posted by davros
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OF COURSE WE SHOULD!As a life-long Ireland & Celtic fan,this is an ideal venue........all the clowns who witter about Sectarianism forget that 80000+ members of the Irish diaspora coverged on Seville with no problems,despite losing!
Why not Celtic park for big games-have more experience of these than the FAI,& there are plenty of Irish-friendly watering-holes across the city!Know a few rebel songs may have been sung in them over the years,but with recent events in the osc.,the atmosphere is much dissipated,exc.Huns'games!
Also the likely crowd @ Ireland games,inc.the suits,FG B*stards & Ole Ole brigade,are hardly prime recruiting fodder for most MOR parties,let alone the RA!We are mainly adults,& er,live in a 'democracy';so why not!
Finally whatever you say,Celtic always have & always will be an IRISH club;They are the only club in mainland Britain who fly the Tricolour,a'foreign'flag,over their ground(Hibs.are allowed,also?) & the massive amount of C.S.C's & Club shirts across the whole island of Ireland are testament to to this!I'm sure all those schoolkids,not even teenagers,wearing Celtic tops,are rampant Sectarian bigots!In fact,these days,across Dublin(a bastion of Republicanism(my home town!),you see more Hoops than some obscure team from NW eng.,whose fans are well known for reaing the Sun & watching Coronation St.!Re.song,Portugal'95?
Celtic are NOT an Irish club. They are a Scottish club, or some might say a British club.
If you want to support an Irish club you will find plenty of them in Ireland.
There is nothing wrong with supporting obscure "NW Eng" teams - at least they don't pretend to be Irish
There is nothing wrong with watching "Coronation Street" - at least it doesn't pretend to be Irish.
My local car hire firm flies a number of flags from the top of it's building including an American one. Obviously to please the tourists. However it does not make them American.
Someone should tell the hardline republicans flogging An Phoblacht on Dame St that wearing a Celtic shirt doesn't make you more Irish than the rest of us. And they are sectarian p r i c k s believe me.
Not questioning your credentials, Davros, but Dublin AND Louth:confused: I reckon you'd get massacred on the Hill if cheering both on at a doubleheader at Croker.Quote:
Originally posted by davros
Fat Boy;Have an affinity to the place,but my place of birth is Kilmainham,Dublin & the ma,from Ardee,Co.Louth(Baile Ath Cliath/An Lu Abu!)[COLOR=darkblue]dark-blue[/COLOR]
I'm not nlgbetc., as Davros suggests.
Dav thinks that
a) Celtic are an Irish club
b) this is self-evident
c) anyone suggesting otherwise must be either a moron or a unionist bigot
d) Ulster unionists are by definition bigots
e) opinions such as those offered by nlgbetc. or Conor put them in category c
f) thus quite likely they are me using a different name.
It's incoherent, convoluted nonsense of course- almost a paradody, you might say :)
NB Dav hasn't lived in the RoI since age two, nor in Glasgow at all. Nothing wrong with any of that, of course: but it may make his ranting just a little less, er, authoritative?
still b o l l o c k s mateQuote:
Originally posted by davros
mate/FB,You're clearly more ignorant than you even sound!Will credit you with the 'insight' that you have actually been to Parkhead?!Or to any Celtic games?
Celtic Are an Irish club based in Glasgow;ask the vast majority of people in the city-even H*ns & the island of Ireland wearing the Hoops(Incidentally last year,more Celtic shirts sold in Ireland,than for M*n U.,& certainly inc.the Puppet state!).Also,er,30000 Irish were in Seville-you muppet!
Would encourage the masses to support their local Lge.sides,exc.where obviously sectarian,in the osc!However,as most have minimal chances of reaching the CL,no harm in following the'de facto' Írish diaspora's club........
If you want to wallow in local Mancunian culture,more fool you...........the hordes from Surrey(Manc.diaspora?!)may be a tad offended?!Its TV profile mainly tries to be a paradody of itself!
Don't see many US tourists floating about in the wake of 9-11;the clued-up ones don't really worry pandering to their lowest basic instincts;That's addressed to Wubya & his morons!
As for Republican paper sellers,well,we live in a'democracy',don't we?Think about it![COLOR=seagreen]sea-green[/COLOR]
I am aware of all the statistics you spout
have been to matches involving Celtic - never Parkhead though
one particular occasion stands out - when they played St Pats in 1998 in Tolka - and getting called a hun/orange ******* by IRISH Celtic fans for supporting St Patrick's Athletic - who are an IRISH team, with 9 Irishmen in their starting eleven.
That kind of shi te is inexcusable. - and backs up my earlier statement about that while wearing a Celtic shirt doesn't make you more Irish than the rest of us nobody told those p r i c k s in Tolka that
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Originally posted by Conor74
I carry a photo of Brian Cowen in my wallet
Jesus Conor, you are one sick individual. You need help badly;)
You live in London and you rant about nationalsit aspirations. Have you joined the National Front then?;)Quote:
Originally posted by davros
...,who were supportive of our nationalistic aspirations,as I am of theirs;so not all bad,then!
And having been to Parkhead, I can say it's a Scottish club. Very proud to be scottish. Incredibly proud of the fact that it's European Cup winning team were all Scottish and all from within 15 (?) miles of the club. Strong links to local (Scottish) community.
The fact that a few thousand sectarian idiots support them, doesn't make them Irish.
In summary....Scottish, not Irish.
Okay, for starters I'm an ex-member of Fine Gael and a quick search of my wallet reveals the ten-bob note I borrowed from Davros at his political education class in the pub last week. Also the phone number of a publisher called Celia. Wonder if she's free for lunch...Brian who?
Actually, Brian and Bertie may not be making the steady progress- ie, towards reopening of Stormont- that they claim. With BA now more unpopular than ever and St Gerard leading the polls in the south, like you I'll be watching events with interest ;)
PS Davros has asked me to correct that in fact he left the country at the age of three, not two.
I don't want to continue the whole debate of Scottis or Irish? as Ive read this a million different times on various Celtic and Irish forums. However, the 'pro scopttish club' posts on this discussion do fail to even acknowledge that the club was founded by an Irishman FOR the Irish people, call them a Scottish club if you choose to, but I think the very roots of this great club should not be ignored nor treated with such disdain.Quote:
Originally posted by liamon
You live in London and you rant about nationalsit aspirations. Have you joined the National Front then?;)
And having been to Parkhead, I can say it's a Scottish club. Very proud to be scottish. Incredibly proud of the fact that it's European Cup winning team were all Scottish and all from within 15 (?) miles of the club. Strong links to local (Scottish) community.
The fact that a few thousand sectarian idiots support them, doesn't make them Irish.
In summary....Scottish, not Irish.
Jnr
Junior- I'm quite content to acknowledge Celtic's roots. They are, and probably always will be, a Scottish club with large Irish support because of these. I don't see anyone denying that on here, certainly not the post you referred. Most Irish Celtic fans recognise that it's a foreign club, like Liverpool or ManU- albeit with particularly close links to the 'mother' country, if you like. Will that do as a compromise?
:)
Wouldn't surprise me in the least. A few of Celtic's supporters are just completely fukcd up. To them you (and Bohemians) are orange *******os because one of you're founders was probably CoI. By there logic all of us are Orange *******os cos we've had two Prod presidents.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by nlgbbbblth
...when they played St Pats in 1998 in Tolka - and getting called a hun/orange ******* by IRISH Celtic fans for supporting St Patrick's Athletic - who are an IRISH team, with 9 Irishmen in their starting eleven.
I heard a story of one Celt on the train back from Stuttgart to Munich (probably the two biggest Catholic cities in Germany) shout as a bloke wearing an Bayern Munich shirt walk past, 'I smell a Prod.' Very PC!
Yeah, like how many Jox have been found guilty (or not guilty) of murdering our northern brothers, while serving 'Queen and Country'. Nationalist aspirations mi culo.Quote:
Originally posted by davros
Also met some of their fans,who were supportive of our nationalistic aspirations,as I am of theirs;so not all bad,then!
Sadly for many people, when you leave the 26C you become persona non grata. Celtic was founded by an Irishman for the Irish community and unlike Millwall, Corinthians Sao Paulo and Palmeiras (founded by Scots, Spanish and Italians respectively) are no longer supported by the ethnic group they were founded for. But having said that, davros' point about that 'not more Celtic fans followed Ireland' sums it all up. Most Scottish Celtic fans support Scotland or nothing. And the nothing is probably because Celtic players were booed while playing for Scotland years ago.Quote:
Originally posted by junior
the 'pro scopttish club' posts on this discussion do fail to even acknowledge that the club was founded by an Irishman FOR the Irish people, call them a Scottish club if you choose to, but I think the very roots of this great club should not be ignored nor treated with such disdain.
While I too accept Celtic's Irish links, the things I dislike is firstly the hypocrisy surrounding Rangers' discrimination towards Catholics (to paraphrase an anti-apartheid song, not only did Celtic continue to 'play Hun City', but it suited them that while Rangers would not sign Catholics, they would be able to sign them instead) and secondly this 'duo-ity' of Ireland and Celtic where they are like the trinity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit: one yet two at the same time. Celtic is just a football club.
To Davros and DG, are you by any way married?
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Originally posted by Duncan Gardner
Junior- I'm quite content to acknowledge Celtic's roots. They are, and probably always will be, a Scottish club with large Irish support because of these. I don't see anyone denying that on here, certainly not the post you referred. Most Irish Celtic fans recognise that it's a foreign club, like Liverpool or ManU- albeit with particularly close links to the 'mother' country, if you like. Will that do as a compromise?
:)
The difference with Celtic and ManU/Lpool is that Celtic were actually formed for the Irish people not an insignificant difference than, say, just having a large support of Irish.
I think its comments such as 'The fact that a few thousand sectarian idiots support them, doesn't make them Irish' that for me, suggest these roots are not being taken into consideration.
I'm not suggesting you have the same outlook,as it appears from your post that you have a more level headed view on this.
Lopez, am I reading this correctly - are you suggesting that Celtic are no longer supported by the Irish community? surely not??Quote:
Originally posted by lopez
Sadly for many people, when you leave the 26C you become persona non grata. Celtic was founded by an Irishman for the Irish community and unlike Millwall, Corinthians Sao Paulo and Palmeiras (founded by Scots, Spanish and Italians respectively) are no longer supported by the ethnic group they were founded for.
My mishtake.
I meant to say '...and unlike Millwall, Corinthians Sao Paulo and Palmeiras (founded by Scots, Spanish and Italians respectively) who are no longer supported by the ethnic group they were founded for, Celtic still are.'
I hope that clears that up. Cheers!
glad Ididn't go off on a rant now !!!!:p
I am well aware of the origins of the club. The club draws a lot of support from Ireland. I'm included in that group. Been there, bought the jersey. However, it's my opinion that the club is not an Irish club. It's Scottish. There are strong historical links to Ireland, but it's still Scottish.Quote:
Originally posted by Junior
The difference with Celtic and ManU/Lpool is that Celtic were actually formed for the Irish people not an insignificant difference than, say, just having a large support of Irish.
I think its comments such as 'The fact that a few thousand sectarian idiots support them, doesn't make them Irish' that for me, suggest these roots are not being taken into consideration.
Americans may have "Oirish" ancestry from 5 generations back, but that doesn't make them Irish.
Fine, however, you can see how your comment didn't exactly portrait that message?Quote:
Originally posted by liamon
I am well aware of the origins of the club. The club draws a lot of support from Ireland. I'm included in that group. Been there, bought the jersey. However, it's my opinion that the club is not an Irish club. It's Scottish. There are strong historical links to Ireland, but it's still Scottish.
Americans may have "Oirish" ancestry from 5 generations back, but that doesn't make them Irish.
Out of interest how many generations back do you have to go before not being Irish?
I think the UEFA regulation is that if your grannie was Irish....
Well, isn't that shocking. CSC's in Ireland consider themsleves Irish. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by davros
you can say what you like,but 50+ CSC's in Ireland & the vast majority of Celtic fans consider themselves Irish,even if their ancestors emigrated generations ago.......Even if not'technically'Írish,surely how they feel & nationalistic aspirations are good enough in my book.
They & many others are proud to be part of the Irish Diaspora......what's the problem,not parochial enough for you?!
As for the residents of Glasgow that support Celtic, I don't think they would get behind Ireland if we were playing the Scots.
As stated previously, I've nothing aginst Celtic. I'm a fan. I know the links to Ireland that exist. But I don't consider them to be an Irish club. Based in Scotland. Lots of Scots fans. Scottish. That's my opinion, right or wrong.
As for the Diaspora thing, if your granny was Irish, no bother. I have cousins in the UK and USA who come home every now and then. I consider them Irish, despite the foreign accents. But I have no time for muppets who couldn't even find Ireland on the map, yet claim to be "Oirish" coz their great, great grandfather came from Sligo. Same for the muppets who have the misconception that the IRA are great lads and that we're all supporting the fight against de brits.
I take it you didn't go to Hampden earlier in the year?Quote:
Originally posted by liamon
As for the residents of Glasgow that support Celtic, I don't think they would get behind Ireland if we were playing the Scots.
no doubt that the support is split Scotland/Ireland/Other, but to say the residents of Glasgow would not be supporting Ireland is a gross misstatement. You only had to be at this friendly to see that.
Few quick points, then I'm off for the weekend:
Everyone likes us. Not just the Scots.
Scots lads supporting Ireland doesn't make Celtic an Irish club.
As for some people supporing Ireland, maybe they have strong links to Ireland, beyond Celtic. I don't know why they do support Ireland, and frankly my dear, I just don't give a damn.
Celtic are still not an Irish club.
Nothing against them,
If you want to go see an Irish club, try Cork City, Derry City, Bohs, etc.
WRONG. That's the Department of Justice regulation for an Irish passport.Quote:
Originally posted by liamon
I think the UEFA regulation is that if your grannie was Irish....
Dunno what you've against our American cousins. I went over there, told them I was Irish, and they gave me 'some money for the boys.' I told them I had no kids, but they still insisted.:D :D (Copyright Sean Hughes)
Unless things have changed since the eighties when I watched Celtic in Europe, you're talking out of your culo, hombre.Quote:
Originally posted by davros
the vast majority of Celtic fans consider themselves Irish,even if their ancestors emigrated generations ago
Where are the Celtic fans from Glasgow at Ireland games outside Scotland? There's loads from London and the SE, Birmingham, Manchester, Leicester, Luton. I know two from Glasgow, both 2nd generation, and that's it. Yeah they were going to bring 3,000 in 1995 to Lisbon. Cojones. Davros watches Celtic in Europe, so do loads others. It can't be that more difficult to reciprocate, and follow your country abroad.Quote:
Originally posted by junior
I take it you didn't go to Hampden earlier in the year?
no doubt that the support is split Scotland/Ireland/Other, but to say the residents of Glasgow would not be supporting Ireland is a gross misstatement. You only had to be at this friendly to see that.
Agreed, I think I even know the 2 you are on about (brother and sister by any chance?)Quote:
Originally posted by lopez
Where are the Celtic fans from Glasgow at Ireland games outside Scotland? There's loads from London and the SE, Birmingham, Manchester, Leicester, Luton. I know two from Glasgow, both 2nd generation, and that's it. Yeah they were going to bring 3,000 in 1995 to Lisbon. Cojones. Davros watches Celtic in Europe, so do loads others. It can't be that more difficult to reciprocate, and follow your country abroad.
I think the fact is that a large proportion of the Celtic support are not interested in the slightest by International football, and hence you don't tend to hear many Irish supporters with scottish accents.
However, if asked who they would be up for in a ROI v Scotland game, a significant number would support the ROI (be it from an armchair perspective or similar...)
Jnr
They're the ones.Quote:
Originally posted by Junior
Agreed, I think I even know the 2 you are on about (brother and sister by any chance?)
I was at the 1985 Scottish final and met these lads who said they hated Scotland and supported Ireland. Never saw them again. On the other hand I bumped into Ray Houghton's countless brothers in 1987 and they were all supporting the nation of their birth.
Liverpool and Glasgow are the two biggest Catholic cities per population (and by virtue, containing the largest ethnic - Irish communities) but I rarely see any Scousers either. The cities that provide the Irish fans from Britain are all high with post-war immigration (and therefore have a large 2nd generation Irish population), rather than with Liverpool and Glasgow whose immigration was mostly in the 19th Century.
Its an interesting point and one I've never really thought about before, but like yourself I know plenty of Mancs,Brummies, Londoners and even a few Cider drinkers from Bristol (who I'm sure you know) but no Scousers and apart from R & D no Glaswegians.Quote:
Originally posted by lopez
They're the ones.
I was at the 1985 Scottish final and met these lads who said they hated Scotland and supported Ireland. Never saw them again. On the other hand I bumped into Ray Houghton's countless brothers in 1987 and they were all supporting the nation of their birth.
Liverpool and Glasgow are the two biggest Catholic cities per population (and by virtue, containing the largest ethnic - Irish communities) but I rarely see any Scousers either. The cities that provide the Irish fans from Britain are all high with post-war immigration (and therefore have a large 2nd generation Irish population), rather than with Liverpool and Glasgow whose immigration was mostly in the 19th Century.
the Ireland v Scotland friendly?Quote:
Originally posted by davros
When I wore a Celtic top'@ the Scotland friendly,the'famous Tartan army'said they were surprised,that not more Celtic fans followed Ireland!Also met some of their fans,who were supportive of our nationalistic aspirations,as I am of theirs;so not all bad,then!
funny that,
when I go and see Ireland play I wear an Irish jersey or NO jersey
not the jersey of a foreign club
"when I go and see Ireland play I wear an Irish jersey or NO jersey
not the jersey of a foreign club"
Orangemen always refer to people from the south as foreigners,,wether you like it or not most people around europe see Celtic as being more Irish than Scottish,,,,maybe thats why they like them so much :-)