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15/04/2008, 11:26 AM
6yardpunisha

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Originally Posted by Dodge

:eek: So its OK to be a racist?

only to the dubs:D
15/04/2008, 11:30 AM
passinginterest

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Originally Posted by 6yardpunisha

only to the dubs:D

Seriously missing the point. It's not the Dubs that would be offended by that chant. You can't justify a racist chant on the basis that the Rovers fans misbehaved on a previous visit to Cobh.
15/04/2008, 11:34 AM
bellavistaman

cop on, i dont sing at the games, but like what is said about us with refernce to the queen all that english lark, is that not considered racsist?? Rovers came into town last year destroyed pubs, kicked down barricades, everything, none of us complained not once. Now im not saying what the lads said is right or acceptable but the one time the rovers fans get something said about them they crib, i find that that amazing.

BTW many times on this forum i have said and still believe the rovers fans are the best in the country, their fantastic but i find this a bit OTT being honest.
15/04/2008, 11:34 AM
outside in

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Originally Posted by Dodge

:eek: So its OK to be a racist?

ffs lads its nothing dat doesnt go on at most clubs(outside of dublin)its been taken way out of context imo
15/04/2008, 11:35 AM
bellavistaman

its amazing wherever theres controversy theres outside in!!!:D:D:D
15/04/2008, 11:37 AM
outside in

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Originally Posted by bellavistaman

its amazing wherever theres controversy theres outside in!!!:D:D:D

i aim to please
15/04/2008, 11:39 AM
6yardpunisha

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Originally Posted by passinginterest

Seriously missing the point. It's not the Dubs that would be offended by that chant. You can't justify a racist chant on the basis that the Rovers fans misbehaved on a previous visit to Cobh.

misbehaved, try abusive, destructive and down right intimidating and no im not missing the point, they dish it out and start crying when someone chants something at them, didnt hear the chant but you can bet your life that the rovers response wasnt politically correct
15/04/2008, 11:43 AM
passinginterest

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Originally Posted by 6yardpunisha

misbehaved, try abusive, destructive and down right intimidating and no im not missing the point, they dish it out and start crying when someone chants something at them, didnt hear the chant but you can bet your life that the rovers response wasnt politically correct

So now you're trying to justify racism because they're just as bad? Very mature.

It would look a whole lot better for ye if ye just said the chant was out of order, the offenders were asked to stop and if they're heard singing it again they'll be banned from the ground.

I'm no Rovers apologist either, I was sickened to hear a big group of Rovers casuals singing "..... ..... is a Hoop, is a Hoop, he kills coppers" while being escorted by the Gardai into the ground before the Bohs match.

Still no excuse for racism.
15/04/2008, 11:46 AM
6yardpunisha

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Originally Posted by passinginterest

So now you're trying to justify racism because they're just as bad? Very mature.

It would look a whole lot better for ye if ye just said the chant was out of order, the offenders were asked to stop and if they're heard singing it again they'll be banned from the ground.

I'm no Rovers apologist either, I was sickened to hear a big group of Rovers casuals singing "..... ..... is a Hoop, is a Hoop, he kills coppers" while being escorted by the Gardai into the ground before the Bohs match.

Still no excuse for racism.

didnt hear it, wasnt involved in it, not a racist and quite mature btw
15/04/2008, 11:48 AM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by outside in

ffs lads its nothing dat doesnt go on at most clubs(outside of dublin)its been taken way out of context imo

Whats the context then? And it only happens in Cork. Trust me I'm a dub...

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Originally Posted by bellavistaman

Now im not saying what the lads said is right or acceptable but the one time the rovers fans get something said about them they crib, i find that that amazing

The song didn't say anything about Rovers fans as far as I'm aware

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Originally Posted by 6yardpunisha

they dish it out and start crying when someone chants something at them, didnt hear the chant but you can bet your life that the rovers response wasnt politically correct

Its nothing got top with being politically correct. Its about not being rascist. Politics have nothing to do with it. And again, there isn't a single Dub that is offended by the sog because it mentions us
15/04/2008, 11:53 AM
outside in

[quote=Dodge;921002]Whats the context then? And it only happens in Cork. Trust me I'm a dub...
sorry i forgot wat good people ye are up there:eek:
like i'd trust a dub:rolleyes:
15/04/2008, 11:55 AM
6yardpunisha

http://www.theredcard.ie/img/stratplanting2.gif

happy now:D
15/04/2008, 11:56 AM
bellavistaman

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Originally Posted by passinginterest

So now you're trying to justify racism because they're just as bad? Very mature.

It would look a whole lot better for ye if ye just said the chant was out of order, the offenders were asked to stop and if they're heard singing it again they'll be banned from the ground.

I'm no Rovers apologist either, I was sickened to hear a big group of Rovers casuals singing "..... ..... is a Hoop, is a Hoop, he kills coppers" while being escorted by the Gardai into the ground before the Bohs match.

Still no excuse for racism.

i did say i couldnt condone that sort of stuff and i dont. But i do think that this is being blown out of proportion.
15/04/2008, 11:59 AM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by bellavistaman

i did say i couldnt condone that sort of stuff and i dont. But i do think that this is being blown out of proportion.

Because people are saying "Rovers deserve it because they did blah blah" and "sure it happens at every ground" (which it doesn't)

The thread that was deleted was far more sensible with several posters saying it was an unfortunate incident.
15/04/2008, 12:00 PM
Sam_Heggy

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Originally Posted by lofty9

Agreed.

So your not one the ones touting McCourt to play for Norn Iron?
Is Boco not an International?
15/04/2008, 12:01 PM
Sam_Heggy

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Originally Posted by bellavistaman

its amazing wherever theres controversy theres outside in!!!:D:D

Or Cobh fans in general :p
15/04/2008, 12:06 PM
6yardpunisha

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Originally Posted by Sam_Heggy

Or Cobh fans in general :p

very harsh sammy boy:D
15/04/2008, 12:08 PM
bellavistaman

Bottom line is anyway, i wasnt there i didnt do it. Trying to defend my club by saying it wasnt at all acceptable, but i do feel it is being blown out of porportion.
15/04/2008, 12:13 PM
passinginterest

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Originally Posted by bellavistaman

Bottom line is anyway, i wasnt there i didnt do it. Trying to defend my club by saying it wasnt at all acceptable, but i do feel it is being blown out of porportion.

Fair play. That's the right attitude. It wouldn't have been blown out of proportion if other Cobh fans had taken your view.
15/04/2008, 12:30 PM
GavinZac

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Originally Posted by hoopy

If you think "I'd rather be a Paki than a Dub" is nothing then I'm glad I live a long way from you.

Well apologies if that was sung, because its not on, but I was sitting in the same stand as Ramblers' singing kids and didn't hear anything of the sort.
15/04/2008, 12:33 PM
p�l-dcfc

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Originally Posted by 6yardpunisha

http://www.theredcard.ie/img/stratplanting2.gif

happy now:D

I know I've got an infraction for personal abuse before, but this guy is a total ballroot.
15/04/2008, 12:35 PM
bellavistaman

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Originally Posted by GavinZac

Well apologies if that was sung, because its not on, but I was sitting in the same stand as Ramblers' singing kids and didn't hear anything of the sort.

Seems to be the general opinion alright.

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Originally Posted by p�l-dcfc

I know I've got an infraction for personal abuse before, but this guy is a total ballroot.

This a manchester term mate??
15/04/2008, 12:40 PM
p�l-dcfc

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Originally Posted by bellavistaman

This a manchester term mate??

Nah, it's a Derry one. Mate (is this a Cobh term?).
15/04/2008, 12:41 PM
bellavistaman

nah i was going for the english term.
15/04/2008, 12:42 PM
p�l-dcfc

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Originally Posted by bellavistaman

nah i was going for the english term.

Oh. Cheers.
15/04/2008, 12:52 PM
lofty9

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Originally Posted by Sam_Heggy

So your not one the ones touting McCourt to play for Norn Iron?
Is Boco not an International?

I don't think that was the debate. No one is arguing that Wesley Charles is or isn't good enough for St Vincent/Grenadine, are they? It was a debate on if any EL players are good enough for Trappatoni's 40 man squad. I personally don't think any are.

As for Paddy McCourt, the ROI team draws on a larger pool of players than NI. In fact you probably could put a full team of Premier league players in the ROI team. I don't think the North can do that. He was good enough to play against Spain at 17 - maybe he is good enough for a squad call up now? I'd surely have him coming off the bench with 15minutes to go. It would also do more for Derry / IFA relations here if McCourt was called up.

I've talked to Ivan Sproule and Sammy Morrow who think Paddy should walk onto the team. I reckon most of the Linfield lads here would know better than me if he could do a job saying they get to watch NI play regularly.
15/04/2008, 1:09 PM
cheifo

Sometimes its good to have a little gratitude for a good thing and for the first time ever we have a good eircom league show to look forward to every week.Has to be good for the players as well to have some kind of showcase to review their efforts every weekend.RTE gets rightly slated for some of their efforts at comedy etc but MNS IMO has broken the mould and everybody invovled deserves huge credit.I know I am preaching to the converted here but
the people who deserve criticism here are the Irish "football supporters" who turn on to Eastenders or whatever other tripe is showing at the same time.
Con Murphy is perfect for the job and makes a tricky assignment look effortless(Deecay,I honestly cant see what your whinging about!).
My worry is that if viewing figures dont improve then some pen pusher will hatchet it and we all be looking back thinking God wish that was still on.
Lord help us but I am even beginning to enjoy sixty seconds!:eek:
15/04/2008, 1:13 PM
Sam_Heggy

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Originally Posted by lofty9

I don't think that was the debate. No one is arguing that Wesley Charles is or isn't good enough for St Vincent/Grenadine, are they? It was a debate on if any EL players are good enough for Trappatoni's 40 man squad. I personally don't think any are.

As for Paddy McCourt, the ROI team draws on a larger pool of players than NI. In fact you probably could put a full team of Premier league players in the ROI team. I don't think the North can do that. He was good enough to play against Spain at 17 - maybe he is good enough for a squad call up now? I'd surely have him coming off the bench with 15minutes to go. It would also do more for Derry / IFA relations here if McCourt was called up.

I've talked to Ivan Sproule and Sammy Morrow who think Paddy should walk onto the team. I reckon most of the Linfield lads here would know better than me if he could do a job saying they get to watch NI play regularly.

I apologise then so, I presumed the discussion was about players ability to play for their national team not just Republic of Ireland.
15/04/2008, 1:16 PM
Sam_Heggy

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Originally Posted by p�l-dcfc

I know I've got an infraction for personal abuse before, but this guy is a total ballroot.

Any translation here mucks? :confused:
15/04/2008, 1:21 PM
p�l-dcfc

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Originally Posted by Sam_Heggy

Any translation here mucks? :confused:

General term of abuse really. Originally meaning the same as ballbag (a liar), but like ballbag, ballroot has just become another term of abuse.
15/04/2008, 1:29 PM
Sam_Heggy

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Originally Posted by p�l-dcfc

General term of abuse really. Originally meaning the same as ballbag (a liar), but like ballbag, ballroot has just become another term of abuse.

Ah right, I will sleep so much better tonight knowing there are still perfectionists out there willing to bring terms of abuse to a new level.
15/04/2008, 1:32 PM
thischarmingman

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Originally Posted by Sam_Heggy

Ah right, I will sleep so much better tonight knowing there are still perfectionists out there willing to bring terms of abuse to a new level.

F*cking peon.
15/04/2008, 1:33 PM
p�l-dcfc

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Originally Posted by Sam_Heggy

Ah right, I will sleep so much better tonight knowing there are still perfectionists out there willing to bring terms of abuse to a new level.

Yes, the great men tasked with the arduous, thankless job of refining slang are doing a fine job.
15/04/2008, 1:37 PM
passinginterest

Any one else think we should move all the racism stuff to another thread and get back on topic?

Con Murphy (our hero) wrote his entire MNS column this week in reply to the earlier part of this thread. I think that deserves further discussion.
15/04/2008, 1:37 PM
depor

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Originally Posted by GavinZac

I'm going to hope this is a joke based upon the Ramblers tannoy asking 3 or 4 times over the course of the evening for inappropriate behaviour such as racism to be reported to stewards. Otherwise, I'd have to imagine you were so drunk and so venomously bitter at your own team crashing and burning in St. Colemans that you actually believed there was racist chanting happening at a game where, as far as I could tell, every single player on the field was a white Irish man.

excellent:D:D:D
15/04/2008, 1:45 PM
Sam_Heggy

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Originally Posted by thischarmingman

F*cking pigeon.

You sitting outside with your laptop again?
15/04/2008, 1:46 PM
thischarmingman

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Originally Posted by deecay

Difficult to watch at times,Con Murphy is a joke and the constant use of the word ''soccer'' hugely fustrates me

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Originally Posted by Con Murphy

One contributor calls me a fool every week, and gives out about the fact that I say soccer instead of football. The irony is that I said football many more times than soccer in the show this week, but some people get a bee in their bonnet about something and tend to listen with rather closed ears. It reminds me of Gay Byrne's crusade to eliminate the soft Irish 'T'.

To Gay, and the person who thinks I'm a fool, I would simply say, 'let it go'. Listen to Nuala O'Faolain's gutwrenching interview with Marian Finucane last weekend, and remember, there are much more important things in life to be getting upset about.

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Originally Posted by Paddyfield

Con Murphy knows his stuff (even if he sometimes doesn't know which camera to look at :D ).

Id like to know if he or any of the panel actually attend games every week.

Has anyone seen any of them at a game?

Does Roddy ever go to games when he's not paid by RTE do do so?

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Originally Posted by Con Murphy

Why is it that some eircom League fans have such big chips on their shoulders, that they should question the credentials of our guests on the programme, or my credentials for that matter?

The reason that the guests are asked to appear on the programme is exactly because they offer expert analysis, having managed, played in, or covered the eircom League for many many years.

Of course, Damien Richardson still goes to matches. Likewise, Roddy Collins, Richard Sadlier, Colm Foley, Tony McDonnell, Sean Connor, etc. I probably don't even need to make this point, as most observers would be well aware that it is patently obvious that our panellists go to matches. But for the benefit of the doubters. Yes. We go to matches.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/mns/features/conmurphy/
15/04/2008, 1:51 PM
depor

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Originally Posted by passinginterest

Fair play. That's the right attitude. It wouldn't have been blown out of proportion if other Cobh fans had taken your view.

get a grip, it was nothing. sour grapes because they lost. how about wexford fans shouting abuse at red-heads, isnt that discriminatory. i couldnt care less what other people shout at games, wether thats right or wrong but i hate this finger-pointing holier-than-thou buzz.

as for MNS i thinks a great show, well done con, tony, damien and the others.
15/04/2008, 1:53 PM
Maz

Con, if you are actually reading this, get make-up to sort out your lips. They are a very deathly looking colour of purple on tv :p
15/04/2008, 1:53 PM
6yardpunisha

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Originally Posted by depor

get a grip, it was nothing. sour grapes because they lost. how about wexford fans shouting abuse at red-heads, isnt that discriminatory. i couldnt care less what other people shout at games, wether thats right or wrong but i hate this finger-pointing.

Gingerism is really getting out of hand these days IMO:D

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