Trapattoni's first (extended) squad announced!

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09/04/2008, 5:04 AM
danonion

David Connolly that is beyond a joke. When he was scoring in the Championship last season, he could have been the tonic our side needed then. But now? The next step for him should be retirement. He's missed a season, how many internationals miss seasons and retain their place let alone regain it.
09/04/2008, 7:24 AM
Wolfie

Good to see Garvan and Whelan given the chance to stake a claim. Will be interesting to see how Rowlands gets on also.

Surprised St Ledger didn't get the nod.

The bould Daithi Connolly. More comebacks than Frank Sinattra. He might nab you a hat-trick against Liechtenstein but he'll never deliver in the big games.
09/04/2008, 8:57 AM
Drumcondra 69er

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Originally Posted by Ciaran

I'd wonder more if Liam Lawerence is fully eligible.

Why? He's already got his passport and is undoubtedly eligibile.

Why he's not in the 40 is a mystery.
09/04/2008, 9:18 AM
tetsujin1979

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Originally Posted by Chicago AOH

Sean St Ledger and Jon Walters, I would have liked to be picked too. Maybe they'll be arrange another B international, to keep tabs on players on players that didn't make the 40....

Walters is still out injured and isn't due back until the end of the month
09/04/2008, 10:04 AM
Bluebeard

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

The bould Daithi Connolly. More comebacks than Frank Sinattra. He might nab you a hat-trick against Liechtenstein but he'll never deliver in the big games.

While I am not one who believes that Big Dave C is the man of the future, as Wolfie says, he will score against minnows. Like San Marino and Cyprus, for example, teams like that. As we saw last time out, we seem to have a chronic failure to score against these teams, so let him miss the Italy game, but have him in the squad for the double header in September.

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Originally Posted by carloz

Wow wow wow, I have just realised that there is no Alan O'Brien or Joe Lapeira. I detest this squad

Don't worry, the lads will be back. The squad session clashes with a surfing tournament in Strandhill and a greyhound meet in Edinburgh...
09/04/2008, 10:22 AM
ifk101

I think Connolly inclusion is somewhat to highlight that everyone is starting with a clean slate - and what happened in the past, is in the past. That or Connolly is excellent at collecting training bibs and washing kits ...
09/04/2008, 10:23 AM
jmurphyc

Overall, I'm relatively happy with the squad. There are a few weird inclusions (even for a 40 man squad) and a few players probably feel quite unlucky not to make the squad, most notably Liam Lawrence, but at least they've brought a fair few new faces in. I'm still a bit worried about the defence and hope that Trapattoni changes a few things once he's properly able to run the rule over our pool of players. The one thing that really puzzles me though is why the squad was announced so early. I really thought it would be announced when Trap was a few weeks into the job to decide the best set of players.
09/04/2008, 10:27 AM
Shedender81

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Originally Posted by Block G Raptor

Not a whiff of an eL player in the 40 man squad. I guess that puts pay to any hope we had of Trap even considering the players in our League

Name a LOI player that is worthy of place ?
09/04/2008, 10:30 AM
Shedender81

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Originally Posted by Chicago AOH

Lawrence should be in for sure, whether or not we have enough wingers in the squad. He's scoring goals, and seems to play for his shirt, with passion which is what this team really needs. I'm really disappointed, especially as it's a 40 man squad.

Sean St Ledger and Jon Walters, I would have liked to be picked too. Maybe they'll be arrange another B international, to keep tabs on players on players that didn't make the 40....

Has Liam Lawrence absence anything to do with his off field raps... also if we are talking about these guys... RORY DELAP..... all in all Liam and Marco looked good yesterday...Let the games begin
09/04/2008, 10:37 AM
jmurphyc

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Originally Posted by Shedender81

Name a LOI player that is worthy of place ?

There are a few in the squad that you could argue aren't deserving of a place. Considering it's a 40 man squad it's surprising that there isn't at least one LOI player. Will Trapattoni really know how good they are until he sees them in training? Many people think Barry Murphy is good enough to be one of the back up goalkeepers.
09/04/2008, 10:55 AM
Dr. Ogba

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Originally Posted by jmurphyc

There are a few in the squad that you could argue aren't deserving of a place. Considering it's a 40 man squad it's surprising that there isn't at least one LOI player. Will Trapattoni really know how good they are until he sees them in training? Many people think Barry Murphy is good enough to be one of the back up goalkeepers.

would have thought that we could look at a couple of defensive options in the LOI. If Jason Gavin wasn't injured I think he would have been worth calling up.
Any left fulls worth considering?
09/04/2008, 10:59 AM
paul_oshea

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Originally Posted by Bluebeard

While I am not one who believes that Big Dave C is the man of the future, as Wolfie says, he will score against minnows. Like San Marino and Cyprus, for example, teams like that. As we saw last time out, we seem to have a chronic failure to score against these teams, so let him miss the Italy game, but have him in the squad for the double header in September.

I agree with that logic.
09/04/2008, 1:17 PM
RivaldoBabb

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Originally Posted by eirebhoy

Do they know that Liam Lawrence is eligible? 14 goals and 15 assists this season.

Hes too busy making 'Black cats do white chicks part two' porn movie to be bothered with Ireland
09/04/2008, 2:49 PM
Razors left peg

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Originally Posted by Dr. Ogba

would have thought that we could look at a couple of defensive options in the LOI. If Jason Gavin wasn't injured I think he would have been worth calling up.
Any left fulls worth considering?

Jason Gavin is far too slow to get anywhere near the national team
09/04/2008, 3:44 PM
Dr. Ogba

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

Jason Gavin is far too slow to get anywhere near the national team

alternatives??
09/04/2008, 4:28 PM
hunt4the

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Originally Posted by eirebhoy

Do they know that Liam Lawrence is eligible? 14 goals and 15 assists this season.

exactly its a joke that he's not making a 40 man squad :confused::confused::confused:
09/04/2008, 5:10 PM
Razors left peg

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Originally Posted by Dr. Ogba

alternatives??

well in the Eircom League O Ceiluill isnt bad, but McCarthy and St Leger look decent players too and are playin at a better standard
09/04/2008, 7:15 PM
theworm2345

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Originally Posted by Bluebeard

While I am not one who believes that Big Dave C is the man of the future, as Wolfie says, he will score against minnows. Like San Marino and Cyprus, for example, teams like that. As we saw last time out, we seem to have a chronic failure to score against these teams, so let him miss the Italy game, but have him in the squad for the double header in September.

This is (sort of) what I have been saying all along!!!!! While I believe he can (and will) score against teams like Italy, there is no doubt he can score against teams like San Marino and Cyprus, especially when he was scoring 2 goals every 3 games in the CCC. Yet everyone just told me to **** off :mad:
09/04/2008, 8:09 PM
Bluebeard

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Originally Posted by theworm2345

Yet everyone just told me to **** off :mad:

I didn't:(
09/04/2008, 9:17 PM
tetsujin1979

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Originally Posted by Ciaran

S.Reid, Miller, Ireland, Duff, McGeady, A.Reid, Hunt, Hoolahan, Kilbane, Murphy

That's 10 wingers on the squad who are all more experienced than Lawerence and are likely to be chosen ahead of him. The only possible exception being Wes.

S.Reid is not a winger
Miller is not a winger
Ireland is not a winger
A.Reid is not a winger
Lawrence is probably level with Yeates, if he wasn't out injured
09/04/2008, 9:23 PM
jmurphyc

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Originally Posted by Ciaran

S.Reid, Miller, Ireland, Duff, McGeady, A.Reid, Hunt, Hoolahan, Kilbane, Murphy

That's 10 wingers on the squad who are all more experienced than Lawerence and are likely to be chosen ahead of him. The only possible exception being Wes.

You can argue bla bla championship goals bla bla all day or that right wing isn't some of the above's "natural" positions if you like but heck they're still going to be chosen ahead of him and will probably do better too, reality is that he's at best 11th winger in line so there's no reason to include him.

How many times have you seen Lawrence play? Try to be honest now: once, twice...? As for arguing against your point, you've proved in the past that your rants don't stand up to reasoned analysis by multiple posters.
09/04/2008, 9:41 PM
Paddy Garcia

Lawrence should be in the 11 ( the top player in the Championship - statistically [5 Live]), never mind the 40. I can't believe he is not in there.

Sean St Ledger should also be in there.
09/04/2008, 10:21 PM
jmurphyc

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Originally Posted by Ciaran

If you think some championship schmo is better than Duff or McGeady it's time to find a new hobby. This sport isn't for you. ;)

McGeady can play in the hole, behind the front striker. When he first came on to the scene I thought this looked like a position that he would excel in but as far as I'm aware he hasn't played there much, so if this were to happen Lawrence could easily fit on the right hand side. Besides, as has been debated for eons on this site, McGeady hasn't set the world alight with Ireland (yet) and also Duff isn't playing for Newcastle (currently) and hasn't been at his sharpest since coming back from injury. And as usual you resort to insulting people. Nice.

Andy Reid played in the Championship until very recently and whether he's playing in the Championship or not he is IMO miles better than most of our other options.
09/04/2008, 10:23 PM
GavinZac

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Originally Posted by Ciaran

If you think some championship schmo is better than Duff or McGeady it's time to find a new hobby. This sport isn't for you. ;)

Do you think the SPL is a higher standard than the Championship?
10/04/2008, 12:47 AM
Serb

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Originally Posted by Wangball

Also when was the last time David Connolly actually scored a goal?

Do you really want to know? 9th September 2003 vs Turkey :P
10/04/2008, 1:16 AM
SkStu

cant believe Lawrence hasnt been given a chance to show what he can do... otherwise a decent squad.

Givens Out.
10/04/2008, 1:17 AM
theworm2345

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Originally Posted by Serb

Do you really want to know? 9th September 2003 vs Turkey :P

He meant for his club, that isn't fair when he has only played once since 2003 (and for one minute, against Cyprus).

He scored twice for the reserves the 2nd to last time he played. He had an assist and set up a goal the last time he played. He also hit the post against Falkirk in a friendly.

One statistic that most people here don't know
Of the 9 times Connolly has played 90 minutes for Ireland, he has scored in 5 of them...he only played 77 minutes against Liechtenstein.

Point is he's often a sub
10/04/2008, 1:19 AM
kingdom hoop

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Originally Posted by theworm2345

One statistic that most people here don't know
Of the 9 times Connolly has played 90 minutes for Ireland, he has scored in 5 of them

New signature for you Worm? :)
10/04/2008, 1:21 AM
theworm2345

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Originally Posted by kingdom hoop

New signature for you Worm? :)

Yes, the 2nd line is new :)
10/04/2008, 1:26 AM
danonion

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Originally Posted by theworm2345

Yes, the 2nd line is new :)

You need help - I mean of all the players to be obsessed with, why David Connolly?

I'd like to see David Connolly (or any player) do well for Ireland, but not at the expense of players who deserve their place more...how can he play ahead of Morrison, Doyle, Long, Murphy and others? Trundle gets more playing time than he does.
10/04/2008, 1:30 AM
kingdom hoop

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Originally Posted by theworm2345

Yes, the 2nd line is new :)

:D Excellent!

Now if only you knew as much about football as graphics. :p
10/04/2008, 1:37 AM
theworm2345

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Originally Posted by danonion

You need help - I mean of all the players to be obsessed with, why David Connolly?

I don't have a site for him

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Originally Posted by kingdom hoop

:D Excellent!

Now if only you knew as much about football as graphics. :p

Up and down the leagues, I'd bet I know more than you do about English, Caribbean, and African football, unfortunately thats not what this forum is about. With MNS, however, I'm starting to know more about LoI. Also, I bet I can name more Irish players up and down the leagues in England (and the teams the play for) than you can, probably more than anyone here, except perhaps maybe tetsujin :)
10/04/2008, 1:41 AM
kingdom hoop

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Originally Posted by theworm2345

Up and down the leagues, I'd bet I know more than you do about English, Caribbean, and African football, unfortunately thats not what this forum is about

You're on sonny.
10/04/2008, 1:47 AM
theworm2345

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Originally Posted by kingdom hoop

You're on sonny.

Who are the only two players to score for Montserrat in WC Qualifiers?
Who is Zimbabwe's alltime goalscoring leader?
Who manages Yeovil Town?

Please, no Wikipedia

Edit: remembered another good one
Who are the three Caribbean teams to make the World Cup and what years did they do it in?

I'd guess we'd better go the PMs as well
10/04/2008, 7:56 AM
Dr. Ogba

er.....way off topic but anyone can know and compile statistics without having an actual knowledge of the game...
10/04/2008, 8:06 AM
Wangball

How did a thread about Trap's first (extended) squad descend into a c*ck measuring contest?????
10/04/2008, 9:11 AM
Bluebeard

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Originally Posted by Wangball

How did a thread about Trap's first (extended) squad descend into a c*ck measuring contest?????

Your clue comes (so to speak) in your 8th word...
10/04/2008, 9:16 AM
shakermaker1982

Disappointed for Lawrence. His form justifies inclusion.

Shocked that DC has been named in the list, reserve football since January should not merit a place. Folan has been doing well at Hull and was worth a look IMO.
10/04/2008, 4:25 PM
theworm2345

Hate to tell you, shakermaker, but he hasn't even played in the reserves, he has been hurt
10/04/2008, 4:38 PM
shakermaker1982

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Originally Posted by theworm2345

Hate to tell you, shakermaker, but he hasn't even played in the reserves, he has been hurt

well that's even worse then. Calling him up is a waste of time IMO. Liam Miller needs booting out as well at the final cut. We need players who are playing regular football for their clubs.

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