ooooh an internet debate goes a little off centre.... who can forgive usQuote:
Originally Posted by Denis The Red
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ooooh an internet debate goes a little off centre.... who can forgive usQuote:
Originally Posted by Denis The Red
Can't believe this thread is still alive. The concept of the best player in the world is just subjective nonsense. Who here - or anywhere else in the world - can make any justifiable claims to know who fits the bill?
You might as well be debating what's the best sandwich filling in the world, though I suppose if a certain flamboyant sandwich filling was playing in England you'd all be screaming for it.
The best sandwich filling in the world is obviously Steak,Bacon, Cheese and onion, anyone who says otherwise is a plank.
As for Ronaldo, Utd wouldn't be winning the league without him and he is probably the best player in the premiership for punishing the weaker teams but he was yet to prove it on the big stage before he can claim to be the greatest player in the world, so far he kinda has gone missing against the Chelsea, Arsenals and Milans of this world
I have been fotunate to see some top players over the years, including Ronaldo.
Agree with one post about the fact that this topic is so subjective but what I can say is that when I saw Ronaldo play, at Upton Park against West Ham, he was clearly decent but did not stand out.
I had the pleasure of seeing Zidane for Madrid, in Milan on a night when Rui Costa and Zidane were simply sublime to watch.
Maldini his usual self and the likes of Seedorf, Shevchenko, Figo very classy but Costa and Zidane a league ahead
Damn.... Steak Bacon Cheese and Onion... I'm gonna try that.. Any sauce?? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Morbo
I agree to an extent, but sometimes some players transcend that, I mean who can argue against Maldini being considered the best defeneder of the last 15 years?Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Lord
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Originally Posted by Pike B
Don't sulk you two.:D I just couldn't see what Zidane had to do with Ronaldo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Let me put it this way... Does Ronaldo deserve to be FIFA player of the year?Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Lord
Yes.., but it will take him besting Messi in the semi-finals to get it... And remember, no player playing in England has ever won it. Only Italy and Spain..Quote:
Originally Posted by Denis The Red
Will Messi be fit for the semis, because I saw nothing of Barca to pose a threat to Ronaldo or United.
Equally I saw nothing in United last night that would pose a threat to Barca. As we all saw with Arsenal-Liverpool, ties between two well matched opponants will come down to whos luck is inQuote:
Originally Posted by Denis The Red
I haven't seen their game from last night yet, but from what I saw of them in the first leg, they seemed to be playing within themselves and couldn't have beaten Schalke a lot more comfortably had they desired to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Denis The Red
Another factor in both semi finals will be the Chelsea-Utd game in between the 2 legs provided Chelsea keep up the pressure in the league. This could affect Utd more than Chelsea because they're playing the Wednesday-Tuesday games as opposed to Chelsea who have 8 days between games.
Just watched Enzo Zidane on youtube. Zizous son. He looks incredible. Ronaldo, Messi and Kaka have about 5 years to etch their names on world football, cos this boy's coming for them...
I could look good on youtube, and that says a lot because I could probably make Mary Harney look like Maradona (or should that be Andy Reid?) if I was up against her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pike B
from the football ive seen players like platini, zidane, rui costa, maradonna, and yes our own lads mcgrath and keane could be called world class. they did it year in year out and also performed at major tournaments. ronaldo is a very good player but best in the world? i doubt it. its one thing doing it against villa or fulham but look how poor he was in the cl semi final last year v milan when he came up against top quality opposition. i actually think torres, fabregas, messi and kaka are currently better players and im sure there are others out there that i dont see regularly
You that bad? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by jmurphyc
He isn't near 4 years younger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Also, does anyone actually watch Spanish and Italian football on here?
Kaka has been far from his best this season, and a long, long way behind Ronaldo in terms of goals scored and assisted.
Messi has been injured for the past 2 months, and also hasn't scored as many as Ronaldo.
This season Ronaldo is the best attacking player in the world without a doubt. Apart from maybe Pat McCourt.
Cant believe nobody has brought David Connolly into the discussion.
Well if putting the equaliser peno in (twice) counts, I suppose you're right........Quote:
Originally Posted by cartman
Yes I watch plenty of Spanish football, but more importantly.......... David Connolly :DQuote:
Originally Posted by pól-dcfc
hahaha.. hes a genius - total footballing god... he scored a penalty yesterday - not even that, he scored it twice!! oh wowwww...Quote:
Originally Posted by Junior
total genius - its been proved.. close this thread lads, the debate is over :rolleyes:... its been proven beyond doubt how good ronaldo is after he scored a penalty yesterday...
by any chance, does anyone think that clichy totally had him in his pocket any time that clown was near him... only for the penalty, you wouldnt have known he was playing :p
I think thats his fourth goal against the Arse in 9 games. Man Utd on the whole were very disappointing yesterday. Even Scholes gave the ball away which happens once every blue moon.
haha. Im only kidding you're right he had no influence on the result at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by cartman
someone put this eejit back in his playpen.........
Ronaldo was very much average against Arsenal. He tried to get into the game by drifting around the pitch but the Arsenal team knew how to handle him. They got close to him every time he got the ball and didn't let him turn and run at them. Plus the gunners have speed all over the team which means Ronaldo couldn't outpace them. And if he can't outpace the opposition, he's got nothing.
other than his skill, tricks, heading ability and shooting. Yeah take away his pace and he's crap!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by lionelhutz
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Originally Posted by cartman
Apart from a decent sized pair of gonads perhaps? Hardly hiding was he?Quote:
Originally Posted by lionelhutz
I seem to recall Ruud Van Nistleroy not being so cool at a recent Arsenal game at Old Trafford.
welcome to the land of the plebs- captained by our very own foot.ie andy capp Junior...Quote:
Originally Posted by Junior
look, this thread is about whether ronaldo is the best in the world at the moment... well, once more yesterday - in another big game - he had no impact whatsoever...average is kind way of describing his performance...
there must have been at least a dozen players at old trafford yesterday who totally outshone him???? i said he goes hiding in the big games - and he continues to do that...
he scored a penalty though - he must be a genius junior[aka pleb]
Welcome to the land of bans. Who do you support today by the way? I happen to agree with you but I don't see why you have to insult people whilst making your point.Quote:
Originally Posted by cartman
Torres, Fabregas, Messi or Kaka won't win world player of the year, I think Roanaldo will and he'll deserve it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
Last year against Milan was a bad night for the whole team who were just outclassed by a very inspired Milan team on the night. Not entirely Ronaldo's fault.
And as for yesterday against the gooners, you can't expect the lad to be exceptional in every game he plays.
because junior is a pleb.. its not an insult... its a fact..;)Quote:
Originally Posted by jmurphyc
I still don't think he's proved himself fully against top sides yet. However, he's still quite young and he will eventually start to do this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Denis The Red
is there anyone out there who thinks someone like fabregas is a better player than ronaldo???Quote:
Originally Posted by jmurphyc
personally, i think theres no comparison at the moment - fabregas is a much more intelligent player who has a huge impact on every game for arsenal..and he never shies away in the big games...
i wonder is it a case of the sky sports generation on here ranting about how good ronaldo is?? all hype and bluff - very little substance though...
and before people start ranting on about himscoring 30 odd goals as substance - two things :
[1] how many of those were penalties?
[2] the likes of darren bent scored 20 odd goals last year - so scoring goals alone doen't prove you are a great footballer
You left out "big" between "every" and "game". ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Denis The Red
Fabregas is another player who I feel is overrated by many. There's no doubt that he's an excellent player but he's had a poor second half to this season. I know Arsenal have been poor overall but anytime I've seen him recently he has been relatively anonymous. I don't feel he has the experience to impose himself in almost every game yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by cartman
Thats simply not true (whether he performed at Sunday League standard or not on the day). He scored a pressure penalty (twice) at a crucial time. You can think that is insignifcant all you want, Im not saying it makes him world class either but I am saying "he didnt hide as usual" as you say he does.Quote:
Originally Posted by cartman
Now back in the pen - good boy.
as opposed to the XBOX / FIFA07 generation I supose - yer some man (boy) cartman!!Quote:
Originally Posted by cartman
oh sorry lads... he didn't just score a penalty yesterday - he scored it twice!! ooooooooh wow... get a grip junior...some awful shi*te being spouted here... if i recall correctly tony cascarino scored a penalty in the shootout against romania in '90.. he must have been a world beater.. point being - this penalty stuff is totally irrelevant
he did nothing of note in the game yesterday in general play - yet he is being considered the greatest player in the world.. how can you be a bystander in so many games and yet be considered a great player... it just doesnt add up
He did a wonderful break dance type dive at the end in the corner. :oQuote:
Originally Posted by cartman
Jaysus cartman you'd want to relax and take a chill pill. Your blood pressure must be sky high and i bet the veins are bulging out of your skull!!Quote:
Originally Posted by cartman
At the same time, whilst not being as melodramatic as your good self, I concur with the majority of your argument. I believe Cristiano does disappear in the most significant games and has minimal impact.
In addition, it would be best advisable to cease the insults or someone will end up kicking you square in the nuts
What ****e have I spouted. Please use the Quote function, good boy.Quote:
Originally Posted by cartman
we are all entitled to our opinions .. lets don't forget ronaldo is still a young player he has plenty of time ahead of him to try and match some of zidane achivements which happen over the course of his career .. pike b dont forget just because you win european cups / world cups / euro champsionships does not make you a great player zidane was part are part of good / great teams to win these awards .Quote:
Originally Posted by jmurphyc
a lot of average players have won above competitions and a lot of great players have not even got close to winning any of above :ball:
you havent a clue if you think ronaldo is on the same level as tony cascarinoQuote:
Originally Posted by cartman