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Drogs v Duns is a huge game for all concerned .And if they get out of the graveyard next season its gonna attract massive crowds .Hopefully they dont though :D
As previously posted it depends on how you judge it, personally I would say Cork / Cobh and Derry / Harps would be far bigger in terms of what % of the local population will go to the game, or take some kind of interest, know the result etc.
While some will say it's Rovers / Bohs what %of Dubliners will even know it's on on the day of the match, I'd guess a much smaller % than say that of Corkonians for their derby etc.
Also for the benefit of all clubs in the league it would make a lot of sense to make sure all the above games were televised if they are likely to attract full houses as that alone looks better on the telly.
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Originally Posted by Greenforever
also bohs rovers has too much scum element tagging along. cork-cobh, harps-derry and drogs-gundalk are much better derbies because you dont have that element (well maybe a small bit but nowhere near that dublin derby) and like greenforever says, the locals turn out in force more.
plus the last couple of bohs rovers games that i've seen have been boring drab auld matches.
overhyped match if you ask me.
last night was class, 4,500 there atmosphere was electric, passion everything bar the result and football, next 2 should be better.
True - this was up not that long ago in a question about which team you most like /want to beat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
IIRC most Blues fans said that Cork was never on our radar until the last few years and has been mainly built up by the hurling rivalry. Over the previous ten or fifteen years the "derby" match for Waterford was agianst Kilkenny. If you want to go back further than that, then any of the varous Cork incarnations have been our closest rivals geographically, but they went in and out of existence so much that there wasn't time to build up any decent sort of tradition.
Despite it not being anything close to a derby, the rivalry built up with Rovers in the late 60s / early 70s is still present, although watered down a bit by nostalgia.
Now there is no real derby for the Blues - as someone said, only if the majority of both sets of fans coexist can it be called a derby. Liverpool ManU is most definitely not a derby - grudge match/big rivalry yes, but Liverpool's derby game is Everton and ManU's is Man City.
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Originally Posted by bigmac
eff off,
you havent a clue what your talking about.
but theres one thing your right about' liverpool v man utd is not a derby, its now called a walk over. :D
Pike v Balla
Absolutely no contest.
South v North
Green v Blue
Attendances in the thousands
No debate, nothing else comes close
Rovers v Bohs is the angriest derby. The nastiest. And the one with the most potential for violence. But it is certainly not the biggest.
The biggest is surely all about the crowd, as unless each team has more than 11 players each on the pitch, there is no other variable to its size involved.
And on that basis it is City v Harps. No other derby consistently pulls in the crowds that games in the North West do.
End of story (even if this topic is brought up about every 6 months on here...)
Another man who hasn't seen Pike v Balla :DQuote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
Rather interesting how many people here are scrambling to deny or dilute or just defame the Bohs v Rovers derby.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
With some of these posters, we don't need a tabloid press to do down League of Ireland.
On the mark. I'd never see the Cork game as anything more than a recent rivallry to be honest. I'm all for hyping the games to get a crowd in, but the reality is that there is no real history between these clubs and it isn't a derby in any real sense - at best simply a rivallry, where the less successful team, whoever it may be at the time, sees there being some "unfinished business" every time they meet until the tables are firmly turned. This might become the case with Wexford and ourselves too I suspect.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigmac
On a related note, surely the Sligo Derby/Rivallry would be with Finn Harps, not Galway, as that is where there was a traditional enmity?
the rovers vs bohs mickey is bigger than everyone elses mickey !!
Tabloid me arse.Quote:
Originally Posted by BohDiddley
Name me one other EL derby with a greater history or propensity for violence ?
Very good. Now Pike off ya Balla(x)....Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
You want help constructing little league tables of violence for excitable pinheads to froth over?Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
I don't go to derbies to observe violence, and, although I am a relatively recent eL convert, if I did go for that purpose I'm afraid I would have failed.
Sorry to disappoint.
if there's one thing us supporters of the "Big Club"™ and the "Most Famous Club in the League"™ agree on - it's that of the biggest derby in the League.Quote:
Originally Posted by placid casual
If we are to start disallowing derbies due to the "violence" that surrounds them then we'd better discount the Old Firm shindig (remember seeing a police charge sheet after one such game a few years ago - which listed amongst the offences committed by one set of fans a "cleaver attack"), CSKA - Spartak in Moscow, and 98% of all derby matches in Argentina and Brazil.
Bohs - Rovers is the biggest rivalry and derby in the South - no question
But you have to factor in the fact that Harps and Derry have played far less frequently than Bohs and Rovers, and so there is more of an element of novelty involved.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
Would Harps and Derry derbies maintain current attendance figures if they played every year?
Plus the biggest derby has to be competitive.
iirc on the graphic on MNS a couple of weeks ago - Harps have only won something like 2 out of 53 meetings.
Hardly awe-inspring is it?
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Originally Posted by sullanefc
Have a look at youtube for some of the cup games from the 93-94 season. 2nd replay had about 10000 at it
Cup semi final in 2001 had 8000
Other games since then have had big attendances, but the regularity of them puts people off especially with the unfriendly welcome most fans get when they arrive at the ground to be searched.
Linfield and Glentoran is probably bigger than Bohs and Rovers. It goes back way longer, as well.
No Bohs match against any other Dublin team comes within the bawl of an ass to it.
Having said that, though, most people probably don't have anything to compare their own derby to, really -- the only other derbies I've been are the odd non-Bohs Dublin one and I thought they were crap because I had no interest. So you're probably talking about league-wide coverage and buzz, and Bohs-Rovers probably gets more of that than any other tie.
They mention Linfield-Glentoran every five minutes on every single BBC and UTV programme ever, though.
Osarun - we had Harps pretty much every single year in the League Cup as well, and also other North-west competitions.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
It's nonsesense to say there's a "novelty" in playing them. We've played Harps c. 56 times in our 23 LOI seasons. That's an average of twice a year. Where's the novelty/rarity value in that.....? :confused:
No-one mentioned disallowing derbies due to violence - just that that's the only 'big' claim the Dublin derby has to its name. Though at least you don't try to bury your head in the sand like BohDiddley.Quote:
Originally Posted by Réiteoir
If Bohs-Rovers is the biggest derby - then why doesn't it atract the biggest derby crowd in the league ?? :confused: Surely that's the definitive answer as to what the sporting public consider the biggest game of the EL calendar....?
Tabloid clichés again, and factory seconds at that. You seem to be conveniently unable to conceive of a rivalry that isn't based on violence.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
I can. Every single one in Ireland, bar Bohs-Rovers and Linfield-Glens - both of which have been occassionally blighted by violence. And I'm happy to say 'occassionally', as that's all it has been.Quote:
Originally Posted by BohDiddley
Conversely - I'm still waiting for you to even acknowledge that there has historically been a problem on occassion with the Bohs-Rovers fixture. Hence the 'head burying' accusation.
You're the only one chucking around cliches and side-stepping fact here BD. Get over yourself...
:eek: I agree with you for a change:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
Sorry, I should have been clearer. I meant league games, rather than regional tournaments which frankly aren't so important.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
I'd imagine cup game (not league cup) would be the best though, for crowds and atmosphere. Has that happened often?
Not that often- twice that I can remember off the top of my head. The biggest one was obviously the promotion relegation playoff matches. The atmosphere at those was pretty mental.
I do agree with the point that not having played quite so often helps the crowd. Can anyone recall whether the first league game between Bohs and Rovers after Rovers promotion had an extra large crowd?
You want a ritual acknowledgement of 'violence' every time Bohs and Rovers are mentioned in the same thread? I don't see why we should comply with that demand, and certainly I don't apologise for not to sharing your tabloid-driven, knee-jerk perception.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
Bohs-Rovers derbies are real derbies. They are heated. They are intense. They are 99.9% a footballing occasion and less than 0.01% idiots who choose to see them the way you do.
You've succeeded in turning yet another football discussion on this forum into a dim-witted drone about eL's 'hooligan problem'. Congratulations.
Great great matches. Two of the games that got me going to the Brandy again after a long absence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
Woeful, woeful matches. Great occasions though. :)
Show me other threads where I have, as you claim, turned a football discussion into one about EL's 'hooligan problem' ? I certainly won't hold my breath for your response....Quote:
Originally Posted by BohDiddley
I suspect you just cut and paste hackneyed retorts and abusive comments from a little stock-pile you have, that you resort to whenever anyone dares mentions this topic - without even acknowledeing anything they're saying or having a clue about how often they've raised the issue before.
You're therefore not worth wasting keyboard strokes on any more. Good day BD....
I was referring to the general tendency on the board.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
Yes. I stockpile them along with the machetes and the attack dogs with which all us nasty, blood-crazed Bohs and Rovers fans are armed.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
I'm sorry if you thought my comments were abusive. I actually don't think they were in the least bit so. Maybe you reached that extraordinary conclusion because I had the temerity to disagree with your point of view. You seem to an umbrage-taker par excellence, but not so good at moderating your own comments, being as you are happy to characterise Bohs-Rovers games as being primarily about violence.
I thought at this point in the discussion you might have the grace to acknowledge the fact that there is or even might be much more to them than that, and possibly even more that is good about them than not.
But you couldn't.
The fact a lot of posters reckon there are derbies to compete with Rovers Bohs or are even bigger is surely a plus for the league not a minusQuote:
Originally Posted by BohDiddley
Jeeez, good to see the synonyms feature is getting plenty of use :D
dcfcsteve, you may have been inadvertent in so doing, but you technically said that the rivalry of Bohs and Rovers is "based on violence".
Well Linfield and Glentoran are the same religion, you see.
That's true, they're both Christian. I know I was in Belfast before. While, Bohs-hoops are pagans and copy rituals from central Europe and the Alps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Erstwhile Bóz
FFs lads, nobody outside of Derry/Donegal thinks that the biggest game in the league. just like nobody outside Waterford/Cork thinks thats the biggest game in the league. Its possibly the biggest game for those respective fan bases but in real terms, no one else gives a toss.
Typical ridiculous thread...
Couldn't give a flying fig about Bohs-Rovers, Linfield- Glens, Cork-Cobh or any other game if Harps aint involved or if it doesn't affect us.
Harps - Derry is the biggest fixture on our list, its the one we look out for every time the fixture list comes out.
Who gives a rats arse which game is the "biggest derby"?