Unfortunately one of my Liverpool supporting barstooler mates, from Derry but living in Dublin, basically follows England, because Gerrard and Carragher play for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Straightstory
Makes me sick!
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Unfortunately one of my Liverpool supporting barstooler mates, from Derry but living in Dublin, basically follows England, because Gerrard and Carragher play for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Straightstory
Makes me sick!
Nice video for ye..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vzqGB4WLkY
C'mon United!!:D
I think there's a difference between supporting a club, and following them.
For instance, when I started getting in to football, I was about five or six (I'm twenty now) and at the time, the team playing the most exciting football that I could see was Man Utd. To this day, I still like the way Man Utd play, and admire Alex Ferguson's tactics and the ruthlessness approach he takes, and when I'm watching them, I'd usually rather they won than their opponents.
Similar for Barcelona, I think they're are a great, exciting team, and I've always liked the way they played.
However, I could never say that I support either team. I support Derry City, and I'll go to see Derry, rain, hail, or shine, whether they are playing well or not. I can't say the same for Man Utd, if I'm watching them and it's a **** match, then I'll turn it off.
I don't know if that makes me a bar stooler or not. I don't think it does. I support Derry, I watch good football wherever I can, paying special attention to Man Utd means I watch more than I would otherwise. I don't think this makes me any more of a bar stooler than watching Goalissimo in the wee hours does.
No, that doesnt make you a barstooler at all.
When i say the word barstooler I mean someone who looks down on the Eircom League and "follows" an English / Scottish team from the comfort of their local pub.
That's what a barstooler is.
I have no problem at all with anyone taking an interest in an Premier League or SPL, La Liga etc team, as long as they follow their own local team first and foremost
Calling yourself a football supporter and watching all your games on sky is equal to knocking one out every night watching porn and calling yourself a stud.
I think someone said that a few pages back, I'm not saying you didn't come up with that line.....but I don't know how to finish this sentence.....:pQuote:
Originally Posted by Tis-smeee
Is there an echo in here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tis-smeee
Sorry I dont read every page on here and memorise it, i saw someone say it on bebo yesterday and i thought it was funny sorry lads i throw myself at the feet of the foot.ie gestapo and the anal ucd fans , once again sorry :)
...to people who don't like going to Croke Park to watch Gaelic football.Quote:
Originally Posted by Straightstory
Fnar Fnar he said AnalQuote:
Originally Posted by Tis-smeee
Most of my mates wouldn't be arsed even looking at LOI results. Couldn't give a toss. They knw better than to have a go at the league ub front of me though, as I'll argue every single time. Always win too. 16/17 years trying and I still haven't got a satisfactory answer as to why they picked Liverpool or Man U over the other (without them sounding like glory hunting fools, something the "die hard" EPL fans hate...)
Won't talk to random blokes in pubs about football because 90% of them know **** all about the game. Its a lesser percentage in LOI fans, but its still high.
Your typical Irish football fan would rather go see Sunderland v Reading than Barcelona v Real Madrid, yet they have the cheek to lecture us on quality. So I say **** them all, if thye want to come to our party, more than welcome, if not, enjoy your *******
Im a Man Utd fan but have never been to OT, what with living abroad and having kids young etc, they'll allways be my nr 1 club but i've just moved back to wexford after 11 yrs abroad, we never had a LoI club before obviously but i feel that it's a love that's going to blossom.
I'd much rather spend a few bob going to see the Youths regulary that line Glazers pockets. Ill pop over to OT someday but there's something special about supporting your local team.
re the original poster, slag the Liverpool fan off about their anti Irish/catholic history, Everton being the Irish side of Liverpool. Allways works for me :D
:D ill remember that oneQuote:
Originally Posted by Tis-smeee
That would have been me before, when we were kids we went from Wexford to Kilkenny for the odd game but it wasnt the same and the intrest never grew.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
But now we have our own team for the first time ever, i just hope it takes off.
Ah Splurge, we were getting on so well and then you tell me you follow Commercial United:(Quote:
Originally Posted by Splurge
Anyway, we both seem to be on our way back to LOI
See I don't think its a matter of just location, its more about identity. Is somebody from Cavan really going to identify with Monaghan Town?Quote:
Rambelled on a bit there, but one last thing, you often get barstoolers from parts of the country who dont have an eircom League team near them, and they say thats the reason they dont support an eircom League club. My cousin from Cavan is like this and he supports Liverpool. I tried telling him Monaghan is closer to Cavan then Liverpool, but he wasn't listening of course.
Personally I live in a rural part of Armagh, within 15 miles of Armagh City, Newry City or Dundalk but I wouldn't identify with any of those towns so would feel strange supporting them. Ended up supporting Derry after tagging long to a few games and found I really enjoyed the experience and have kept going on a semi-regular basis. I feel a wee bit out of place sometimes because obviously not being from Derry I don't get same buzz from following my local side as most of the fans do but its still good to sample a real atmosphere.
But I do think people are much less likely to support the EL if they don't have a team in their town or at least their county. Its hard to identify with something that you feel doesn't include you.
Possibly because they prefer Gaelic Football to soccer?Quote:
Why are 80,000 people going to see Dublin v Laois to witness the brutish spectacle of Gaelic football when these numbers should really be going to see Bohs or Shamrock Rovers versus Real Madrid or Juventus in the Champions League?
I disagree, if Limerick weren't in the eircom league I would have absolutely no interest in it, and I wouldn't feel the need for an "excuse". I would have no feeling of belonging to any other club, no affinity, no sense of pride or any other emotion.Quote:
Originally Posted by joey4ireland
If I hadn't "discovered" the eircom league I would quite happily continue to follow Aston Villa (my local premiership team for some years when I lived abroad) from the comfort of my living room, I would continue to take an interest in Sunderland, Celtic and any other club with Irish links, and would only attend the occasional international as well as local junior matches. In other words clubs that I would feel some sort of affinity with.
You cant realistically expect someone who doesnt have a local club to develop an interest in the eircom league, theres absolutely no logical reason why they would, is there?
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Originally Posted by joey4ireland
I agree with Kev. If Dundalk FC didn't exist, there is absolutely no way that I'd go and support Drogheda (even though they were still in my county) or some other club that identified themselves as the County Louth club. Local identity doesn't always have to be based on the county anyway. They were just set up by the British to help them administer the country and in many areas they only came to have a significance in the life of an ordinary person after the GAA adopted them.Quote:
Originally Posted by KevB76
People in this country are only interested in watching the really big matches no matter the sport.
When Munster played in the Heineken final in Cardiff about 50,000 fans were supposed to have traveled, most of those would never have went to a Magners League game that season.
In GAA take away Dublin games and both finals most games have huge empty spaces. Am not a big GAA fan but decided last year to travel from Cork to watch them play Dublin in Parnell Park and a friend of mine who considers himself a huge Cork GAA fan said to me "Why did you go to watch that crap"?
I used to get six tickets in the block booking scheme but had to drop it to three cause in the 2002 qualifiers we got Holland and Portugal (everyone wanted tickets - even had strangers in the street asking me) then in the 2004 qualifiers we got Russia and Switzerland and these same lads said it wasnt worth it.
Agree completely, i think the only way to promote the LoI is with local pride. The standard is muck compared with our competition across the sea and we will probably never be able to compete on that front, so we have to bring people in through local pride and history. I personally wouldn't watch the LoI anymore if Limerick football had been kicked out along with Danny Drew, and to be honest if Limerick 37 hadn't come along I probably wouldn't watch that much football anymore, as it is I watch highlight packages from around Europe, but can't stick watching 90 minute games on TV, no matter what league it isQuote:
Originally Posted by KevB76
I remember watching last years CL final in a pub and Liverpool "fans"Quote:
Originally Posted by pól-dcfc
laughing at the accents of Gerrard and Carragher when they were being interviewed , just struck me as strange that fans being amused at a trait that is supposed to be representative of their club
Why did you go if you aren't a big GAA fan? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by viagogo
True.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfrank
Yes, they are a pain in the arse, but so are some of us. "What part of Liverpool/Manchester/London are you from??" :rolleyes:
If I was to pick a club based on locality, I wouldn't support a LOI club, as a Junior Football team is the nearest to me. However, I've no interest in them or their football in general.
As I have stated before, people support teams based on family lineage. My da supported Rovers for years, so I continued the tradition, dfx soon followed, and other relations in the future will have no choice but to support Rovers, as that's our background, whether we live in Dublin, Dubai, or Darwin. Same goes for Liverpool in England. You don't get a choice, you support who your relations did before you. That's the way it is.
I support teams in Germany, France, Spain, and Italy. I was never in some of those countries before, but so what? If I go to any one of those teams games, I'll be made as welcome there as any local. I share the same interest as them, and their results affect me, as much as them. Big clubs are international conglomerates with fanbases stretching from America to Australia. In my experience, fans in most countries have no problem with that, only here. :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by holidaysong
That's the way it was in wexford, when we were kids we went to Kilkenny the odd time but it didnt feel right, we also considered going to Bray, Cobh etc but that was a 2-3 hr drive in them days.
Now we have our own team and there are NO excuses for not supporting them, they play great football, they represent the whole county, it's affordable, we play on friday nights and we can watch our "other teams" from the comfort of our living rooms on sat/sun.
It's actually the same supporting Celtic. I've got to the stage where I have to say "just Celtic".Quote:
Originally Posted by thischarmingman
Why Kilkenny?Quote:
Originally Posted by Splurge
I grew up near New Ross on the Wexford side of the border, but it was always Waterford for me, even discounting the atrocious road to Kilkenny (the road to Waterford was pretty bad then too).
Not a dig or complaint, just a question.
I couldn't support a 'Co. Louth team' though. It has to be more local than that for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Splurge
I met five Norwegians in Burdocks on friday and got chatting to them when one asked me if Bohs had a club shop in the area. It turns out they had traveled over specifically for the match!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamjar
:rolleyes: Pure ignorance. What's the minimum amount of games a year your team must play for you to count as a fan?Quote:
Originally Posted by lucanhoop87
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Just a few of the posters on the Ireland forum that I recognise (a quick check through recent threads). A small few of them support premiership teams that I know of.
I'm from north Wexford and we reckoned it was the nearest to us, probably only a marginal difference really, this was before the "new rd" aswell, i actually forgot Waterford in my original thread, dunno why but Cobh allways felt like a closer team, maybe they were higher profile in my day?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebeard
At least some LOI fans on here have a balanced opinion but not all unfortunately.
A few things strike reading this thread and others on foot.ie
For many LOI fans its all about 'local'.
They prefer it being small and a niche market.
There is a real 'anoraky' superiority complex.
I'm from rural Roscommon and been living in Scotland 7-8 years. Celtic season ticket holder this past season. Regular at games season before. Mainly barstooler with the odd trip previous to that.
I kind of follow Longford in the EL as I went to school there, have been to a couple of matches when home over the years, but can't imagine been able to support them outright or as much as some of the EL fanatics on here and their respective clubs. I'm from Roscommon not Longford. Athlone, while just over the bridge in Westmeath is like a different planet to me!
I'm probably moving back to Ireland soon, possibly Dublin, and would be interested in going to see some live football. even though I'm one of these "celtic" "fans" (seriously what's with the bitterness GZ) I would have nothing against the EL. However from reading this forum and the views of some of its fans the last year or so I really don't know if I want to go along.
I won't be local to any team, they won't be 'mine', so I won't be part of it and get the same enjoyment as the other real fans do. I'm not sure if I'd want to mix with the other fans either, especially if I revealed I was a "celtic" "fan" thus laying bare my inferiority as a football supporter. I'd probably also have to do some research on the Queens tax rates on match tickets so I wouldn't look redfaced and silly in front of some sneery real fan who happened to be born in his local clubs catchment area.
I wasn't born in any catchment area. Shame I just can't be as genuine a football supporter as some of ye. I really never knew it worked like that.
Sod it, I'll see where I end up living and try a few games at the nearest side. I'll probably just go back to watching local GAA though.
An enniscorthy town, Wexford town etc team would never have worked, it would have alienated the rest of us, i wouldnt have supported either even though i now live in Wx town.Quote:
Originally Posted by holidaysong
You wouldn't get any **** for being a Celtic fan (probably best not to wear the jersey if you're going to go to Bohs games though ;)). No one (well the vast majority anyway) has any problem with people supporting teams from other countries, it's people belittling our teams that annoys people. Go to games, you'll enjoy it and meet lots of people who'll be happy you're going to their team's games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bottle of Tonic
COBH:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Splurge
It really is probably more that you would have felt like a glory hunter following the Blues in the 90s, with us regularly winning the first division, every five years or so - the silverware was just pouring into the RSC back then:o;)
I once killed a barstooler with a trident.
Aye - there's a small hardcore of Norwegian Bohs fans in Oslo (mostly with Irish parents who moved over there).Quote:
Originally Posted by Block G Raptor
Met up with a few in a sportsbar to watch the home leg of the Bohemians - Rosenborg Champions League game a few years back
Was there a man on fire in the vicinty of this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
Reminds me of my brother in law. He claims to be a mad Manchester Utd fan but hates Northerners (from Enlgand) because he lived in London. He also claims that because he is a Manu fan he knows more about football than me because I support 'unsuccessful' Sunderland.Why bother travelling over to watch them knowing they'll never win the Premiership! Also gives me grief about following Bohs as well as Sunderland, saying I can't follow the two of them. (Even though he aslo follows Fulham!) And why do I watch LOI football. Cause it only full of losers & has beens.Doesn't see how I could get excited if Bohs win or be in the horros if they lose because 'It's only the poxy eircom League!'. Doesn't understand that Bohs v Rovers means more to me than Man Utd v Liverpool. Also hates the Ireland team. But he is 'The True Football Fan'. I'm just wasting me time.Quote:
Originally Posted by gustavo
Deadly. There was a group of five or six English lads on the 10 I got back into town. From the snatches of conversation I got, agus mé ag cúléisteacht, they were delighted with themselves for getting up and doing something and not wasting another evening of their holiday in the boozer; they were freezing their nuts off (they were wearing the de rigeur English lads gear); and they loved the bars in Dalymount. Three goals and a sending off helped, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Block G Raptor
Couldn't ascertain how they found out about the match, though.
A good ploy is to join in a barstooler conversation with an original and astute comment about the football they're watching - if they haven't heard someone say it on telly before you, they'll be dumbstruck......