I don't think so either but describing them as completely useless is very harsh them I feel.Quote:
Originally Posted by holidaysong
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I don't think so either but describing them as completely useless is very harsh them I feel.Quote:
Originally Posted by holidaysong
It is very harsh indeed. Can see them finishing fourth-sixth depending on Fingal and Longford.Quote:
Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
Both Wexford and Monaghan are useless football teams, end.of.story
If it was based on support/attendences, there would be two if not three first division clubs heading to A league at seasons end. I cant see one club in particular being there next season. Sad to say but thats how i feel.
We had our goalkeeping coach in goals against you after Dave Ryan was sent off but were allowed to sign Jimmy Fyffe for the Dundalk game :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Battery Rover
When fully fit we have a smattering of players that would walk on to any team in the division and will give anyone a game on their day.Quote:
Originally Posted by oldyouth
Unfortunately this is mixed in with some absolute dross. At least three to four of our average starting eleven are nowhere near good enough.
Hence the worst team in years. The teams Noel O'Connor had in his second spell here in particular were positively dripping with talent by comparison.
I of course bow to your superior knowledge of the first division :rolleyes:Quote:
Don't think Monaghan should be in that category- win their game in hand against Kildare, which they would be expected to, and they would be in fourth place.
As for Wexford, if they won the league you'd probably still claim they're useless.
It maybe was a bit harsh depending on what you think of First Division football.Quote:
I don't think so either but describing them as completely useless is very harsh them I feel.
Monaghan will struggle for goals big time and don't have any obvious quality.
I will be amazed (not the mention raging) if the likes of them finish above Limerick.
I genuinely think the three blocks I mentioned is how the league will pan out (In no particular order)
EDIT: This looks like I'm singling out Mon. I'm genuinely not, I think they are probably a slightly better side than Wexford and Kildare. I do think they will be slugging it out at that level though. But in fairness I couldn't see them finishing last for example.
Also feel I should point out that if Paddy never gets back to fitness and two or three of our boys leave in July and we don't stregthen the squad we're more than capable of dropping down into a relegation scrap.
For some reason we cannot do that. As I said I don't know the actual rulingQuote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
We were in a similar predicament and were allowed. Wonder why you cant? Tis a strange ould world.
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Originally Posted by Magicme
We have Ciaran Kelly (professional), Anthony Jinks (professional and GK coach) and Lee Gaffey (amateur) good keeper but not enough experience yet. he needs a season in the under 20s. There might be a reason in that.
Aw yeah, we only had the 2 keepers.
It's my first season watcing Div 1 football having just moved back from abroad but i've seen our lot play Waterford & Shels and we were well worthy of points in both games. Also the reports i've heard from Dundalk were enocuraging, especially in the 2nd half. The Limerick game is probably the only one where we've genuinly played poor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
From what i've seen the gap between is and the "top 3" isnt so great, although like i say we've been playing well and it could all change if we hit a bad spell.
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Originally Posted by Magicme
Ya same as Limerick when Jimmy Fyfe signed.
Even against us you could see that Wexford are genuinely at least trying to be a bit better than they were last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Splurge
Absolutely atrocious team to watch last season and it's not just a bee in my own particular bonnet, I'm sure there are other first division fans somewhere who will vouch for me?!?!
They are a bit better (but not a hell of a lot at the same time mind) and this will be reflected in an improved points tally this season but with the local lads and Mick Wallace on the sideline I just don't think there is enough quality to get out of the bottom half. :ball:
Would it not have made sense not to sign Lee Gaffey until around the start of the 20s season if he wasn't going to be up to LoI??Quote:
Originally Posted by Battery Rover
Three keepers is your problem there alright.
All players that are likely to make the breakthough into the first team are signed immediately and train, travel with the squad as it helps team bonding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
Good job it's not thenQuote:
Originally Posted by gael353
Fair enough. :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Battery Rover
We do things differntly down here.
Hence our decades of unparralled success :) :o
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Originally Posted by gael353
Talking in riddles again. What three teams are we talking about?
Darn right. I'm sure the FAI will find an even more fiendish way of eventually getting the league they want.Quote:
Originally Posted by monutdfc
There is one club very much in the $hitter by all accounts though.
He always talks like that, doesn't even mean to. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Battery Rover
I think two of the teams he's talking about are pretty obvious.Quote:
What three teams are we talking about?
As for the third, is it Limerick??? :)
Seeing the averages he means us. A lot going on here at the moment. Plenty of promotions being put in place for the rest of the season including an event at the match vs Shelbourne on the 25th May with over 200 invatations being sent out to local businesses and the local community.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
200 full colour posters being put up for every home match.
In the process of doing 192 free season tickets for one on the underage clubs in the area.
On the radio 5 times a week minimum.
50 free copies of our match day programme being dropped round to the local pubs every Monday morning.
Local underage league given the use of the stadium for matches when we arent using it.
Building for the future and not short term gain
Personally, I wouldnt put Athlone in that catergory of clubs who are seriously struggling to survive. They have a top class stadium and great plans for the future. There situation is very similar to that of Limericks (without the nice ground:)). They over spent last season and are now concentrating on matters off the pitch. Attendances will improve once the results do. Results will only improve once things are sorted off the pitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Battery Rover
Athlone are in a better situation than the likes of Monaghan and Kildare I think. They dont have the fan base to be sustainable but the potential is there if they get a lucky break. I can't see any of the new clubs in the A Championship adding anything to the League that these clubs dont have.
Yet Lim you seem to think that that other clubs don't lose players to injury or suspension. Every club out there would give any other a run for their money with a full squadQuote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
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Originally Posted by oldyouth
Ya spot on. I think any team could beat anyone on their day.For example, last season, Limerick lost 2-1 to Kilkenny at home (who came last) and then the next week beat Dundalk 2-0 away.
Now, that is a turnaround! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by L37Ultra
You my dear dont have a clue what you are talking about. Monaghan United are very secure financially and are well able to sustain themselves without a massive fan base. The fans will build though as United have just hired a full time CPO to ensure that they do.Quote:
Originally Posted by L37Ultra
The fact that Monaghan United have taken the slow route and built up the facilities before concentrating on the team will stand them in good stead in the coming seasons and I see Athlone following in a similar vein. Makes good business sense to get your house in order and build your facilities before you attempt to recapture the imagination of the doubting GAA loving public.
I very much hope it works for you but everyone said that about Kilkenny too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magicme
In fairness (and im not winding you up) but who in Monaghan wants to see a team of Dubs representing their town and getting beat every second week while their at it? I agree theres a lot of things being done right up there but while your team has to get a bus to its home matches I cant see many locals supporting the cause.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magicme
Not having a go, just how I see it.
Experience - and not just at Monaghan - has shown that a successful team is needed to bring in the crowds. Team doing well= crowds up, team doing poorly = crowds are down. It's a universal truth at most sides. Look at Longford before and after Stephen Kenny for example.
I've just looked at the attendances thread. Limerick's 4 year average is just over twice MUFC's (472 versus 215). The relative size of Limerick is more than twice the size of Monaghan, not to mention the catchment areas with no League team for probably 100km in any direction from Limerick (how far is Galway?); and the 4 year period is a period when Monaghan finished in the bottom 3 for each of those years. But we did keep our name, stay in our ground, keep our licence and not go bust in any of those 4 years.
Again - not having a go but you dont know what you are talking about. The Monaghan United team are not made up of just Dubs as your post infers. There are some dubs but certainly not all. Also they dont get a bus to home games, they drive. :p Even our local lads live in Dublin where they go to college/work btw. Mons team this season:Quote:
Originally Posted by Monkfish
Brendan Kennedy - Dublin
Danny Woods - Ardee
Paul Whelan - Monaghan
Kevin Williamson - Offaly
Aaron Mooney - Dublin
Ian Malone - Dublin
Brian Gartland -Dublin
Don Tierney - Dublin
Stephen McCrossan - Dublin (?)
Eoin Lanigan - Lucan
Darren Meenan - Dublin (via Derry!)
James Hand - Carrickmacross
Kieran Reilly - Cavan
Philip Sheppard - Dublin
Robbie Collins - Dublin
Wayne Byrne - Bray
Brian Murphy - Carlow
Yes there is a large Dublin contingent but there just isn't enough local talent to even keep us in touch with the league. We could field a local team and lose 10 nil every week but that would just be even more pointless as the crowds certainly wouldnt come out for that.
And Schumi, there are not the same kind of problems at Mons that Kilkenny faced. There are major developments and investments at KCP at the mo and we will be around for years to come.
I think Magic that you have to call Lucan & Bray as Dublin. Lucan, because it is in Dublin and Bray 'cos Wiclow people hate that.:)
Seriously though, keep the faith. The LOI needs clubs spread throughout the country
are we getting lectures from a limerick fan on our sustainability Fcuk me thats like getting driving lessons from steve wonder
That would make the majority of your team Dubs then. Is there no talent in Mid-Ulster, Belfast or the North Midlands? All im saying that maybe this is a reason why your crowds aint the best?Quote:
Originally Posted by Magicme
As for the 4 year averages (why not 1 or 10 years?) how much of your average were acually Mon fans? and not Dundalk and Harps?
Release the handbrake, clutch, put her into first and slowly press down the right peddle and away you go. Im sure even a blind man could tell you that.:pQuote:
Originally Posted by passerrby
when do you check your mirror steveQuote:
Originally Posted by Monkfish
There seems to be talent coming up through the ranks- Monghan made the semis of the U18 cup (I think that was it).Quote:
Originally Posted by Monkfish
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Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
U-18 Cup semi-final Line Up was:
St Pats Athletic Vs Dundalk
Wexford Yths Vs Salthill Devon
Final is on in Ferrycarrig Park on the 18th may, Wexford Vs Dundalk!!
Mons made it to semi's of the Under-17's I think.
Trevor Vaughan once told me the excuse for not following the team in the Premier amongst the natives was that there were too few locals in the team. Then they reverted to a locally-based team and the excuse became that they were tripe!