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04/02/2008, 11:21 AM
EalingGreen

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Originally Posted by Torn-Ado

Whats all this about an interview on the telly?

Was it Brian Kerr-esque with Stan wallowing in self pity?

I saw the interview and rather than self-pitying, he was more defiant (though not aggressively so). The guy's still totally in denial. Which is odd, really, since with his knowing that he had the Leeds job lined up, he could have relented a bit, along the lines of "Well it didn't really work out, and I made some mistakes, but that was because it was too soon; I'm confident I'll quickly get back into football and I'll be all the better for the experience"

Anyhow, it explains why he was so "chipper".
04/02/2008, 11:30 AM
Drumcondra 69er

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Originally Posted by Block G Raptor

I wouldn't deny it. I was more reffering to Ridsdale, O'leary, now Staunton

Venables, McKenzie, Peter Reid, Krasner and his consortium, Kevin Blackwell, Bates and Wise, the list is endless....
04/02/2008, 11:34 AM
Block G Raptor

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Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er

Venables, McKenzie, Peter Reid, Krasner and his consortium, Kevin Blackwell, Bates and Wise, the list is endless....

Exactly. I never said everyone involved with leads is a muppet but I reckon every Muppet will be involved with Leeds at some stage
04/02/2008, 11:40 AM
Bondvillain

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Originally Posted by Block G Raptor

Exactly. I never said everyone involved with leads is a muppet but I reckon every Muppet will be involved with Leeds at some stage

Delaney leaves Ireland after Leeds Bid successful. Hires Givens as Director of Football

We can but hope.
04/02/2008, 11:54 AM
Blue-Army

Stan gets a new job!

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Leeds are set to name Steve Staunton as assistant manager to Gary McAllister.

The former Republic of Ireland boss will meet the Leeds squad at Thorp Arch on Monday with a view to joining the club until the end of the season.
Staunton, who won 102 international caps for the Republic, has previously worked with McAllister at Coventry. He was appointed as Republic coach in January 2006, but left his role the following October after an unsuccessful Euro 2008 qualifying campaign.

from BBC.co.uk

:eek:
04/02/2008, 11:58 AM
Torn-Ado

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Stan gets a new job!

Thank Christ it isn't as a Train driver.
04/02/2008, 12:01 PM
shakermaker1982

Leeds won't be getting promoted this season then.... good luck to him I hope he does well but this was the route he should have taken from the start instead of ditching Walsall and then jumping into international management.
04/02/2008, 12:13 PM
Deckydee

Me agrees as above
04/02/2008, 12:21 PM
oldyouth

35 years following Leeds and now this. Me heart is broken:(
04/02/2008, 12:30 PM
Sligo Hornet

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Originally Posted by oldyouth

35 years following Leeds and now this. Me heart is broken:(

Don't panic....Stan's role will only be the same as at Walsall..i.e. putting out cones, collecting bibs etc.....Gary Mc will see you alright!
04/02/2008, 12:31 PM
Ozymandias

is it the PR job he got...betcha he was doing a PR course when he should have been getting his coaching badges...
04/02/2008, 12:32 PM
OwlsFan

Assistant cone man?
04/02/2008, 12:34 PM
Lionel Ritchie

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Originally Posted by Sligo Hornet

Don't panic....Stan's role will only be the same as at Walsall..i.e. putting out cones, collecting bibs etc.....Gary Mc will see you alright!

I hope so. Agree this is the type of job Stan should've got in the first time too.
04/02/2008, 12:35 PM
Ash

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Originally Posted by Ozymandias

is it the PR job he got...

... you tell me! :p
04/02/2008, 12:45 PM
Lionel Ritchie

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Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er

Venables, McKenzie, Peter Reid, Krasner and his consortium, Kevin Blackwell, Bates and Wise, the list is endless....

Kevin Blackwell deserves no small amount of credit for what he managed to do at Leeds. Most people out there haven't a clue, not a friggin clue, of the conditions he worked under ...and got them to a play-off final doing it.

No silk purse/sows ear analogy does justice to it. Roy Keanes achievement in getting Sunderland up despite giving everyone else a five match head start and Billy Davies taking a terrible Derby team up aren't a patch on what Blackwell managed.
04/02/2008, 12:57 PM
EalingGreen

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Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie

Kevin Blackwell deserves no small amount of credit for what he managed to do at Leeds. Most people out there haven't a clue, not a friggin clue, of the conditions he worked under ...and got them to a play-off final doing it.

Overall* I agree with that. It was clear, in particular, that Bates kept Blackwell in position whilst he cleared the decks and slashed costs, effectively by forcing Blackwell to sell all the high earners and bring in cheap replacements.

And the moment Bates had got the Shareholders' Register the way he wanted it, flogged off any remaining saleable assets and walked away from the outstanding debts (via Administration), he got rid of Blackwell and brought in Denis Wise. Bates is Godfather to Wise's children.

* - I say "overall", since Blackwell also played David Healy on the right wing half the time. Now I'm not claiming Healy is necessarily top class, but if he wasn't the best finisher available to Leeds at Championship level, then I'm a monkey's uncle. Even Denis Wise was forced to admit he'd initially got it wrong about Healy, by which time Healy was already off.
04/02/2008, 1:01 PM
lionelhutz

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

"I'm out of a job because I lost one in 12".

"Hopefully the new man can come in and finish off what we started, with all the young players".

:mad:

I thought ye were taking the p*** about him saying the above. Oh sweet Jesus. The men in the white coats need to come quickly and collect him

I'll never forgive him for throwing away the last 2 years of Irish football and probably setting us back another few with it. And he did it without a care in the world
04/02/2008, 1:09 PM
ken foree

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Originally Posted by lionelhutz

I thought ye were taking the p*** about him saying the above. Oh sweet Jesus. The men in the white coats need to come quickly and collect him

i was grimmacing when he was criticizing trapattoni's language/culture barrier and he said "we're irish and we're a little bit different." looking at his muppety head saying it i doubt anyone else watching around the world could've come to any other conclusion.
04/02/2008, 1:13 PM
aidz1

I would be pleased for Stan if he gets the job at leeds.
sincerly hope he does well. He did poorly as a manager with us but he's a decent bloke who was a great servant to Ireland. Best of luck with the job stan
04/02/2008, 1:38 PM
Sonic

Staunton

Did anyone read what Stan said on the sun today about trapattoni not knowing the players. What is this joker on about. At least he knows what he is talking about. Seriously Trapattoni is by far and away the best man mentioned for the job and this clown comes up with this rubbish. He may have been a great player for Ireland but is completely oblitering any good feeling I had about him with this kind of muck over the last few months!!
04/02/2008, 1:43 PM
Ozymandias

don't let it bother you..he is only emptying his head...not much left now
04/02/2008, 1:59 PM
jebus

He got the Leeds Assistant Manager job today as well
04/02/2008, 2:08 PM
Sonic

They must be desperate so!!!
04/02/2008, 2:20 PM
Denis The Red

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Originally Posted by Sonic

They must be desperate so!!!

A little harsh I think. I don't think he should have been offered the Irish job in the first place. The FAI promised a world class manager and gave us Stan.
If anyone was offered the job, regardless of experience they would have taken it and have the confidence to be a success.
I was as happy as anyone when they got rid if him but only because the job should not have been his first and it should with his lack of management know how.
Who knows in a few years he could be a competent mananger.
04/02/2008, 2:55 PM
OwlsFan

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Originally Posted by aidz1

I would be pleased for Stan if he gets the job at leeds.
sincerly hope he does well. He did poorly as a manager with us but he's a decent bloke who was a great servant to Ireland. Best of luck with the job stan

I agree but he should keep his mouth shut about the new Irish manager and stick to Leeds. He knew the Irish mentality and players only too well and see where that got him? "Bye bye" by mutual consent.
04/02/2008, 2:58 PM
Stuttgart88

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Originally Posted by OwlsFan

"Bye bye" by mutual consent.

I don't think it was mutual!
04/02/2008, 4:04 PM
Ireland4ever

any chance of another thread on stan?
04/02/2008, 4:06 PM
paul_oshea

you have to have a certain level of astuteness, cuteness and intelligence to be a good manager, im not sure how many of those staunton possesses. I heard him on sky sports news yesterday. He is terrible.
04/02/2008, 4:18 PM
OwlsFan

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

I don't think it was mutual!

:eek::eek: The Official Statement said it was.
04/02/2008, 4:24 PM
Ireland4ever

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Originally Posted by Ciaran

One thing I would say about Stan is what he did after the Cyprus match. He was cornered, the honeymoon was over and was staring down not just elimination after 3 matches but the sack as he went to face the Czechs.

He responded so well, he swallowed his pride and called up Carsley, he ignored that clown Robson and picked Paul McShane who he believed in. Those were two key decisions that I think most managers wouldn't have made and I think if it wasn't for those two decisions we'd have been eliminated after 3 games.

He had a lot of balls too. Taking Duff off when they were chasing Germany, not being intimidated by Liam Miller, playing Andy Reid in the centre, some nice ideas like the American trip for youngsters or the Portugal training facility. Bringing Terry Dixon into the spotlight so early. He was in many ways an exciting and ambitious manager.

The point is that he's got ability, he made far more mistakes than he did positive contributions that's for sure but isn't that what experience rectifies? He certainly could be a fantastic manager some day. :)

If he had half a brain he would have had carsley in the squad before this match, and as for McShane, he was forced into picking him because of injuries, dont let time cloud your judgement on this cretin. It wasnt enough for him to make a laughing stock of our national team, but he then proceeded to rob from its coffers and its future by squirming for a severance fee, if he was any sort of man he would have done what keegan did and hold his hands up and say he wasnt good enough, walk away and do the best to help irish football.
04/02/2008, 4:45 PM
Jicked

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Originally Posted by Ciaran

One thing I would say about Stan is what he did after the Cyprus match. He was cornered, the honeymoon was over and was staring down not just elimination after 3 matches but the sack as he went to face the Czechs.

He responded so well, he swallowed his pride and called up Carsley, he ignored that clown Robson and picked Paul McShane who he believed in. Those were two key decisions that I think most managers wouldn't have made and I think if it wasn't for those two decisions we'd have been eliminated after 3 games.

He had a lot of balls too. Taking Duff off when they were chasing Germany, not being intimidated by Liam Miller, playing Andy Reid in the centre, some nice ideas like the American trip for youngsters or the Portugal training facility. Bringing Terry Dixon into the spotlight so early. He was in many ways an exciting and ambitious manager.

The point is that he's got ability, he made far more mistakes than he did positive contributions that's for sure but isn't that what experience rectifies? He certainly could be a fantastic manager some day. :)

What are you talking about?

Calling up Carsley wasn't swallowing his pride, he had to pick him. And the fact that Carsley wasn't in the original squad, but then is immediately made the mainstay of the midfield shows how clueless he is. He was forced in to picking McShane due to injuries and suspensions. If he had really wanted to pick McShane as CB against Cyprus only for big bad Bobby to talk the worldwise Stan out of it; why wasn't McShane on the bench in Cyprus. Regardless, McShane produced an okish performance, and has since gone on to show he wont have a long term future as an international CB.

Why is taking off one of our most dangerous players against Germany considered a plus point? A training trip to Portugal eh - how did Staunton ever come up with such a groundbreakingly novel idea?

Staunton will never make it management, how could anyone take him seriously? There is absolutely no way in hell that he "could become a fantastic manager some day"
04/02/2008, 4:55 PM
eirebhoy

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Originally Posted by Jicked

Regardless, McShane produced an okish performance, and has since gone on to show he wont have a long term future as an international CB.

It was a lot better than okish. Regarded by many as one of the best ever debuts for Ireland. Anyway, I don't want to get into a debate on McShane. :) I think himself and Dunne make an excellent partnership as I've said lots of times by now.
04/02/2008, 4:57 PM
Den Perry

off your head

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ciaran

One thing I would say about Stan is what he did after the Cyprus match. He was cornered, the honeymoon was over and was staring down not just elimination after 3 matches but the sack as he went to face the Czechs.

He responded so well, he swallowed his pride and called up Carsley, he ignored that clown Robson and picked Paul McShane who he believed in. Those were two key decisions that I think most managers wouldn't have made and I think if it wasn't for those two decisions we'd have been eliminated after 3 games.

He had a lot of balls too. Taking Duff off when they were chasing Germany, not being intimidated by Liam Miller, playing Andy Reid in the centre, some nice ideas like the American trip for youngsters or the Portugal training facility. Bringing Terry Dixon into the spotlight so early. He was in many ways an exciting and ambitious manager.

The point is that he's got ability, he made far more mistakes than he did positive contributions that's for sure but isn't that what experience rectifies? He certainly could be a fantastic manager some day. :)

Ciaran, are you off your head? Picked McShane? He was at fault for the czech goal, and everybody got carried away with him because he was decent in that game. Now I think it has been proved that he is nowhere near international class...some peoples opinions never cease to amaze me
04/02/2008, 5:08 PM
Drumcondra 69er

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Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie

Kevin Blackwell deserves no small amount of credit for what he managed to do at Leeds. Most people out there haven't a clue, not a friggin clue, of the conditions he worked under ...and got them to a play-off final doing it.

No silk purse/sows ear analogy does justice to it. Roy Keanes achievement in getting Sunderland up despite giving everyone else a five match head start and Billy Davies taking a terrible Derby team up aren't a patch on what Blackwell managed.

Sorry mate that's that utter ******. He had a higher budget then most of that league and failed. He bombed out all the young players coming through (Andy Keogh for example) and replaced them with journeymen like Paul Butler and Sean Gregan. Wouldn't play Aaron Lennon until he was forced to by injuries. He played Healy on the wing and left him on the bench for the play off to play one up front and produced the worst tactics I've witnessed at a game this side of some of Stan's games. Did you see Leeds's form from March till the end of the season the year they went to the play off final? Totally choked when they had automatic promotion in their sights. That carried onto the next season and the lack of basic fitness in that squad was a major factor in them going down last year. He allowed the likes of Butler way too much leeway and left a majorly split dressing room as a result. And his team played some of the worst football ever seen at Elland Road. He may have had difficult conditions under Bates but his constant spin and bull**** he spouted to the media ('Only me and Gary Kelly here' etc) was embarrassing and totally untrue. The squad Leeds had at the start of their first season in teh Championship was good enough to go up. The man was a clown.
04/02/2008, 5:26 PM
Den Perry

blackwell

couldn't agree drumcondra. blackwell was and is a t wat
04/02/2008, 6:42 PM
oldyouth

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Originally Posted by Sligo Hornet

Don't panic....Stan's role will only be the same as at Walsall..i.e. putting out cones, collecting bibs etc.....Gary Mc will see you alright!

Thanks Sligo Hornet I need reassurance. The radio tonight has it that he was The Gaffer, now he is The Go For:)
05/02/2008, 5:28 PM
OwlsFan

See what happens if you put enough spin out there about yourself ;) You get your old job back of putting out the cones which is more than I ever thought he would.

Lesson in life there. Try and put a positive spin on the most negative things and the world is your oyster or at least your cone.
05/02/2008, 5:49 PM
Lionel Ritchie

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Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er

Sorry mate that's that utter ******. He had a higher budget then most of that league and failed. He bombed out all the young players coming through (Andy Keogh for example) and replaced them with journeymen like Paul Butler and Sean Gregan. Wouldn't play Aaron Lennon until he was forced to by injuries. He played Healy on the wing and left him on the bench for the play off to play one up front and produced the worst tactics I've witnessed at a game this side of some of Stan's games. Did you see Leeds's form from March till the end of the season the year they went to the play off final? Totally choked when they had automatic promotion in their sights. That carried onto the next season and the lack of basic fitness in that squad was a major factor in them going down last year. He allowed the likes of Butler way too much leeway and left a majorly split dressing room as a result. And his team played some of the worst football ever seen at Elland Road. He may have had difficult conditions under Bates but his constant spin and bull**** he spouted to the media ('Only me and Gary Kelly here' etc) was embarrassing and totally untrue. The squad Leeds had at the start of their first season in teh Championship was good enough to go up. The man was a clown.

I never said the guy was Rommel when it came to tactics. Yes they staggered into the play-offs when they might've gone up automatically. Yes he played Healy out of position and yes he should've given more young lads a chance. But there was also a real fear Leeds could drop another division such was the gutting going on. For better AND worse he bought bargain bucket players he reckoned could stop the rot and create a platform to build on. He also uncovered a part time playing/auto-windscreen fitter who could score for the hell of it and managed to keep a team competetive when half the squad were on 500 quid week-to-week contracts which the club were defaulting payment upon.
06/02/2008, 4:17 PM
OwlsFan

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Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie

I never said the guy was Rommel when it came to tactics.

Even Rommel got his ass kicked in the end by Monty and left this world by mutual consent after plotting to overthrow Germany's Delaney, old Adolf H.
07/02/2008, 9:49 AM
Ozymandias

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Originally Posted by OwlsFan

Even Rommel got his ass kicked in the end by Monty and left this world by mutual consent after plotting to overthrow Germany's Delaney, old Adolf H.

you've been listening to George Hook to much

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